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Geek Culture / Professional Wanted: Need Advice For Site

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JLMoondog
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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 19:47
I'm trying to update my site today and would like some advice. I want it to look more professional then before but eye-catching at the same time. Essentially this is to help find a new job.

Here are my favorite designs thus far:
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/MooneyGameDev/web_style_005.png
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/MooneyGameDev/web_style_004.png
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/MooneyGameDev/web_style_003.png
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/MooneyGameDev/web_style_002.png
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/MooneyGameDev/web_style_001.png

These are all base site designs and I'll be editing them to suit my needs and showoff my recent work. In no way am I starting a site from scratch!

So advice I'd like, which one looks more at what I'm going for? If you think they're all crap, what do you suggest?

Thanks guys!
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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 20:13
Quote: " If you think they're all crap, what do you suggest? "


Bite the bullet and put your artistic skills to good use and design the site yourself. Using a free template for a professional site will just make it look unprofessional in my opinion.

Try to stick with a basic design but one that catches the eye. Try looking at some of the other artists sites that are on the forums.
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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 20:17
I really really like 004.png. Out of the others, it definitely has a more artist/portfolio feel.

I think if you were to go with 004.png, you would have to update the header logo, as its a bit lost within that design.

Where the picture is, why not place something like this:
http://nicolahibbert.com/demo/liteAccordion/?iframe=true&width=100%&height=100%
(Obviously styled to fit the interface).

Rather than just having a single picture with the text to the right.

Cheers,
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JLMoondog
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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 20:32 Edited at: 6th Oct 2012 20:34
Quote: "Bite the bullet and put your artistic skills to good use and design the site yourself. Using a free template for a professional site will just make it look unprofessional in my opinion.

Try to stick with a basic design but one that catches the eye. Try looking at some of the other artists sites that are on the forums."

It's not unprofessional to use a template. Like I said, I'm not starting from scratch, this is a weekend project for a reason. I'm really skipping the first 4-5 days of coding and going straight to throwing in my media and personal touches.

Quote: "I really really like 004.png. Out of the others, it definitely has a more artist/portfolio feel.

I think if you were to go with 004.png, you would have to update the header logo, as its a bit lost within that design.

Where the picture is, why not place something like this:
http://nicolahibbert.com/demo/liteAccordion/?iframe=true&width=100%&height=100%
(Obviously styled to fit the interface)."


Definitely! I just ran through the different temps with my current site, but like I said I have a lot of work to do to make it my own.

I like that horizontal slide bar, I have some 'scroll' style images that would make it fit with the style of #4. Will do some tests later today.
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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 20:54
I like style 2, then style 3.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 21:00
A lot of sites use templates hence why people pay a lot of money for good templates.
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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 21:07
Ooh I like simplistic, number 2 is my fav. Number 2 also looks more pro, IMO.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 21:35
004 is my favorite too, followed by 005. The others could work if you added a lot of design flare to them.

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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 22:22
I like number 3 and 4! They look cool! 005 is too wooden (pun, har) and the others are boring tbh. Number 4 isn't as sleek and professional as 3 but your name-logo stands out better in 4 (it doesn't stand out in no3).

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Posted: 6th Oct 2012 22:53
Well 5 looks most pro but your text is hard to read, you should use change it to Times or Arial. Also center your page, it looks weird on the top.left
JLMoondog
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 01:07
Quote: "Also center your page, it looks weird on the top.left"

Those would be screen grabs, hence the .png extension.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions everyone, still not decided.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 01:19
I think the main thing is to remove the pic of that weird looking bloke

Ha ha, just kidding

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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 01:45
Because you asked for a professional oppinion: here is one from someone who is completely unqualified.

** Don't place your face right on the main page. This belongs either to the bio or the bontact Page. Your homepage should either be links to all the content of your website or some of your REALLY good pieces.

** One of the templates you used had a "wood swords and arrows" design. Doesn't this alienate folks who look for a freelancer to do some Scifi Models? Besides: A design like this makes your website feel like a browsergame.

** No red herrings. Try to keep it simple, to the point and informative. Present you, your conditions,your work and your contact adresses...

** Try to design the website to the best of your abilities without attempting to recreate some site from a professional. There is never any need for badly executed pseudoprofessional flash/php playthings.

** No animated gifs. 1999 is over.

** No backgroundmusic

** Clean and well formatted text. Don't type like me...basically.

** You can have artistic backgrounds etc... just don't make them too flashy. (I dont need to tell you that though)



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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 02:17
Ok, here's another idea:

Black background, red text and MS paint for logos
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 02:39
I think the second and third links are the best, imho
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 03:34
Second one down would also be my choice; and I agree about the face on the main page.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 04:27 Edited at: 7th Oct 2012 04:37
"web_style_002.png" and "web_style_001.png" I found to be annoying. There's too much space up top before any actual content gets delivered. The same is true for the other templates, but the other ones make up for it by being aesthetically pleasing. I liked "web_style_003.png" personally. Particularly, I liked the way the content was presented and the general color scheme. However, I think links should be colored a shade of blue. I have poor eyesight in my left eye so it's difficult to distinguish links that have pretty much no contrast to them from the surrounding text. Hence a light shade of blue may be good. I somewhat like the shade of blue used on these forums for links, as an example.

I agree with Wolf. I think if "web_style_003.png" were modified to be a bit more compact but still visually pleasing (though, genre independent perhaps) you'll have a winner.

I'm probably going to look into contracting an artist relatively soon (perhaps in a few months) for a project I'd like to pursue. One thing I'll be avoiding are sites that take too long to load (if they didn't optimize their site, how can I trust their models will be optimized?) and also that if they're doing a specific style of artwork (on the site) that it's in the same style as said project.

Anyway that's my completely unprofessional opinion. Good luck on your site though!

Edit: Also, no social media icons up top, please. They're just taking up space (meaning more scrolling). I've read before that almost nobody clicks on them anyway, and in most cases if they actually want to share the page they'll just copy and paste the address. (If I find the article, I'll post it.) I personally have always just copied the address of the page and posted it. e.g., in Twitter of Google+. Plus, there are a lot of social media sites out there. You could support the most popular ones, but then you alienate users from the other sites. Or, you could try to support all of them, but then that gets ugly and/or annoying pretty quickly. IMO, since they just add clutter and are likely not to be used very often anyway... remove them.

If you feel they should be kept, for whatever reason, they should be moved to the bottom of the page. This makes more sense anyway (to me at least) because I prefer reading or seeing everything of interest on the page before sharing anyway. I don't go "Oh hey! That's an awesome banner! I've totally gotta share this page!"

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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 23:02
I like 005 then 004 where is 007?

[I agree with the accordian idea for 004]

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Posted: 8th Oct 2012 16:29
004 looks the best I think. But as a former professional web developer, I'd suggest drawing your own header at the very least. I'm assuming your portfolio is to show artistic work, correct? What does it say about the artist who uses someone else's template to showcase their portfolio?

I like what Wolf said about the wooden swords in the design. Keep away from using any objects that might create any specific theme, as you don't want to give a narrow impression of what you're about.

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Posted: 8th Oct 2012 16:57
Quote: " IMO, since they just add clutter and are likely not to be used very often anyway... remove them."


Just sayin', I use them a lot. I even find it irritating now when a game company or developer doesn't have social media links (links to "Here's my twitter account". I never use links like, "share this page on facebook")

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Posted: 8th Oct 2012 17:36
I heard somewhere that employers will check your social pages before your resume... o.o I could be wrong. That's why they are there. All I need now is a facebook page...ugh, I flipping hate facebook as a user.
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If you're just creating the Facebook page and don't intend on using it, there really isn't much point in creating it at all. Employers look at people's Facebook pages to get an idea of their day-to-day habits (do you have a bunch of photos of you puking outside of a pub, for example?), their maturity (do you constantly make inappropriate facebook posts?), the kind of friends you hang out with, etc. If you're just creating a facebook page and not going all the way into adding friends, making status updates, uploading photos, and creating a social persona, then there's no point in doing it at all, as employers won't find anything useful on it anyways.
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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 02:24
I'm not a professional obviously..but.

Personally I really like portfolio sites that are plan and simple that put the artists' work up front.

Examples:
http://www.thiagoklafke.com/
http://agniinteractive.carbonmade.com/

All the ones on carbonmade just simply put the work on the forefront.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 06:51
003 or 004 for sure, though Im not crazy bout the multiline menu on 004. 005 seems gimmicky and 001 002 feel like some generic blog page.

Additionally, I think the news section takes up too much real estate, I'd move it to a sub page. If this is meant to be a portfolio there should be more showcase art right up front or perhaps a brief general intro into your artistic interest, style, influence etc. Clients and employers are coming here to see your work, if that interests them then they might be interested your news updates, if they don't know you or your work, they won't much care. Remember, the focus here is the portfolio content not the blog content.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the personal pic up front, I think it's good to be able to put a face to people and you can tell a lot bout a person by how they choose to present themselves in a photo.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 18:15
Quote: " their maturity (do you constantly make inappropriate facebook posts?)"

Yes but I'm mature enough not to add employers to my list.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 18:21
I'd say 004 or 003, though it depends on the purpose of the site.

Quote: " Employers look at people's Facebook pages to get an idea of their day-to-day habits"


That either requires that the employer adds the person as a friend (would they really do that?) or that the potential employee has their entire profile set to public (would they really do that?).
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Quote: "That either requires that the employer adds the person as a friend (would they really do that?) or that the potential employee has their entire profile set to public (would they really do that?)."


There was debate in the news a few months ago about whether or not this should be banned for businesses to make this a requirement of employment...

Yes you read that correctly... A requirement for employment...

Many professional jobs have a clause on their job applications and this is sometimes not optional [as if you say no you will likely not get the job] that they add you on facbook as well as other networks say LinkedIn... and you must allow that if you want to stand a chance at getting the job...

I do not know what the outcome of the whole thing was...

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 19:06
Well facebook has privacy options for your friends too, you can select a group of people who can't see a single one of your updates, so I don't see how that would be a problem.


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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 19:14
It is the same as not giving them access... they are not stupid...

[At least not all of them are not stupid... lol]

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Quote: "requires that the employer adds the person as a friend "


You never said anything about access.
Besides, they could see some things, if you wanted them to.


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Quote: "Many professional jobs have a clause on their job applications"

I thought "professional" jobs took resumes, not a mcdonalds application.

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Call it a contract if you prefer...

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Posted: 10th Oct 2012 01:19
Number 4 and 1 are my favorites, but I also think the simple designs of the sites That Guy John linked work really well for a portfolio too.

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Why does everyone always rip on McDonalds, I work there!


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Posted: 10th Oct 2012 05:07
I really don't like 1 & 2, they look like those fake generic websites google sometimes dishes up. 3 is okay, 4 is better but 5 is my favourite because it's a bit more quirky and interesting to look at; I like how the white text box looks like part of the scene. 3 & 4 both look a bit limiting to me whereas 5 is more generic while not being boring like 1 & 2.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2012 11:35 Edited at: 10th Oct 2012 11:37
Quote: "Why does everyone always rip on McDonalds, I work there! "


It's generally seen as a dead-end job for people who never tried to achieve anything worthwhile in life and the latest thing is that it's where people who 'Swag' or 'YOLO' will end up.

Of course, it ignores the fact that it's also a place to start for people who need work and for those with at least half a brain cell they can move on from there. 2 friends of mine worked at McDonalds before they went to University, both graduated just fine and one's working in IT and the other is a Design Engineer. So no YOLO or Swag or any of that growing up to be a loser stuff.

At the end of the day it's a job chosen because it's the best one available to suit your current situation. Doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, but of course, if you are stupid, you've got a limited choice.

So it's not necessarily an accurate stereotype.


Anyway, Moonster,

If you're going to go for your own media I think I'd prefer 4&5 personally.

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Yea no offense intended Indicium. My ex worked there and now she runs a hotel.

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