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Geek Culture / To Solders that may be reading this for-profit universities are bad

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3d point in space
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 06:15 Edited at: 7th Oct 2012 06:18
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I have been doing a research paper about universities and see that game design for-profit universities are targeting veterans that are coming home. The game creators should discourage advertisements that are provided by these organizations to be discouraged.

The for-profit schools that are benefiting from soldiers is not an American act of kindness. Please support this cause and let the game creators know that these adds don't have any place in these forums. I don't know if this is currently possible, but I think that it should at least be monitored by the mods. They need to inform readers especially veterans of this practice.

Providing low educational standards, to incoming vets that use their GI Bill, should not be tolerated.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 06:25 Edited at: 7th Oct 2012 06:26
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TGC is based in the UK so I'm not sure "an American act of kindness" is necessarily the appropriate phrase.

Regardless, I've seen mods (I think Jeku and VanB) speak out against these types of universities anyway.

Edit: lol! First ad to pop up:
"M Ed Universities Online
Get an online Master of Education from Concordia University in 1 yr!"

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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 06:33
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Yes Concordia, as well as full sail have been common place on the forums. Please don't target incoming vets. That is a little ironic is it not, that the first add to this blog is a university.

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Agent Dink
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 07:12
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These are Google's AdSense ads. They are tailored to your searches and history to best target you. I've never seen a college advertisement until I read this thread.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 07:19
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no comment on the topic, here, but:

Quote: "That is a little ironic is it not, that the first add to this blog is a university"

understand that the ads generated in a given thread are based, in part, on keywords found within them. so, when you mention them, there's a good chance you'll see an associated advert.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 18:16
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If you saw these ads on TGC forums before writing this post about it, then it is because you have been Googling it elsewhere. Ironically, because you are researching it, you will see the ads everywhere, not just TGC. The only way for you to stop it is to switch off your Google Cookies.

Even though I'm reading a page all about it, I don't see the ads because Google knows I'd rather look at shiny new DSLR Cameras, manly tools and Audio books.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 19:30
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I clearly have absolutely no interests at all Oh wait, I have adblock plus...

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MrValentine
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Posted: 7th Oct 2012 23:33 Edited at: 8th Oct 2012 13:47
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ive blocked the two google urls that are featured here and most other places inside my router so... slight issues sometimes but I see nothing from those sites...

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*sigh* again the forum just dies if I block those sites... the code should not be so dependent on those links...

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Posted: 8th Oct 2012 06:22 Edited at: 8th Oct 2012 06:31
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70 Percent of the revenue for for-profit universities is currently provided by the Post 9/11, GI-Bill accumulating to over 300 million dollars a year, of tax payers money. So not only do veterans suffer so does the common tax payer.

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Posted: 8th Oct 2012 11:34
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This seems a tad political to me. This site isn't about politics.

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How does having my school paid through the GI-Bill make me suffer? Paying a few extra pennies a year in additional tax is more than fair for having my masters degree paid for. So I'm not really seeing what the big problem is you have with profiting universities because so far all you've said is that it's bad but no specific reason as to why.

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As BatVink said, you are seeing the ads because you were looking at similar sites else where but since we are on the subject.

Yes, many colleges are now flaunting "We support the troops".
I got bombarded with the brochures and such when I got out of the Army and of course I got emails out the wazoo, because I did sign up for numerous newsletters while I was looking into schools.

The worst part about the majority of these schools is that no credit earned with them is transferable to any real University. In most cases you get a certificate with there seal on it and that is it.
Even worse, many technical schools that boast about supporting the troops do nothing but nag you about signing a contract with a government contractor company the entire time you are trying to take classes, in order for them to get their referral bonus for having you sign up.

Quote: "This seems a tad political to me. This site isn't about politics."

Why, because someone mentioned Soldiers?

Quote: "So not only do veterans suffer so does the common tax payer."

I love how people separate Soldiers \ Veterans from "Common Tax Payers". I paid plenty of taxes ( and many other "dues" )before beginning to use Chapter 33 as do ALL soldiers \ veterans.

I'm kind of with Phaelax and am a little confused as to what angle you are going for here. Are you upset because colleges are wasting "your" money educating me or are you upset because I am wasting "your" money getting an education paid for by "your" tax dollars?

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 15:54 Edited at: 9th Oct 2012 15:55
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Can't really add much more to what John has said already. I used my G.I. Bill to get both my degrees (A.S. and B.S) at a State University. I didn't have to hold down a job while going to school as a result. I don't feel bad at all, for using taxpayer money (as he said; we gave some back as taxes every month) to fund my education. I earned it, through the sacrifices I and my Family made during my 12 years in the U.S. Army.

As far as what the OP has laid out; sure, I don't support ANY organization that seeks to take advantage of veterans. But it is up to each and every man and woman to do their research, and come up with a choice that is right for them and their future.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 16:05
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Soldiers more than earn their college tuition. Their salaries aren't really all that high, considering what they potentially get shipped off to. My girlfriend served for 4 years and she wasn't even able to completely pay for her tuition on the G.I. Bill. We still had to get loans for one of her quarters (which isn't too bad, but still, she was in Afghanistan!). It greatly helps to offset the low salary of a soldier.
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Quote: "Providing low educational standards, to incoming vets that use their GI Bill, should not be tolerated."


I may be wrong, but it seems like the OP was commenting on useless, so-called "universities" that target returning veterans with valueless courses or diplomas to grab some of their benefit funds, not about the use of taxpayer money.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 18:09
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You might have a point there xplosys. And I could see schools trying to do that.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2012 21:12
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Xplosys, after reading your post then going back and reading the OP again, I think you might be right.

I'm just a tad sensitive when someone rants at all about anything soldiers. Which I'm sure a few of us are.

Agent Dink,
What years was your wife in the service, if she joined after 9\11 she qualifies for Chapter 33 and shouldn't have to pay a dime out of pocket.. except maybe a little for books. I know the stipend I got for books \ supplies didn't cover the books completely.

There are also other federal and state funded programs that will take up the slack the GI Bill doesn't cover. Off the top of my head, the "Yellow Ribbon Program" is specifically designed to take up the slack on the GI Bill.

Please ask me any questions you might have about veteran benefits, I dig for resources constantly and always make sure any of my Battle Buddies are informed if they have questions.

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It was post 9/11. I'll have to ask her about it. She hit an annual limit. She didn't actually run out of GI Bill money because it started up again a few months later and everything is covered again.
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Quote: "I'm just a tad sensitive when someone rants at all about anything soldiers."


Ditto

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They keep changing some of the details of Chapter 33 behind the scenes but, it is suppose to cover a up to the max of the most expensive accredited University of the state you reside in.

Glad to see she is completely covered again though. Make sure both of you get involved in your local veteran groups, VFW..DAV.. WWP and such. Always poke and prod them for information, that is what they are their for. Also, take the time to volunteer your time to them if they need something. If the local offices aren't assisting her as well as she feels they should be, she needs to send that feed back up their chain of command.
You yourself "might" be eligible for education assistance through other programs if you were her dependent while she was still in service. Your wife is a member of a group that will always be taken care of long as she keeps digging for information.

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