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Geek Culture / Im starting to get enough of windows "security"...

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The Zoq2
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Posted: 28th Oct 2012 00:51
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Ok, here is the story. When I updated to AppGameKit 108, I downloaded a zip file with the updates since it gives me more controll over what get's replaced when I upgrade. When I compiled my game using "F5" or compile and broadcast, AppGameKit got stuck in "broadcasting". Soeome on the forums told me it was because windows now blocks programs comming from zip files and being put in program files. So I unblocked it, and it worked properly.

This wasn't the end of my problems however. I started fixing some bugs that occured when I upgraded, and adding some more features. Then I realised I had to open another project, and closed AGK. After getting some weird glitches with having 2 AppGameKit folders at once (the old and new version), I reopned my main project. But when I compiled and ran it, everything i had fixed, was broken again. (I had turned off the block for AppGameKit to). Looking in my code, none of my changes where there anymore.

I had the same problem with the castle story prototype which I downloaded a while back. It started out the same, I downloaded a zip file, and placed it in the program files folder. The game worked fine, but for some reason saving didn't, after a while, I rememberd this blocking "feature" and turned it off. But it didn't help. I ended up placing the whole game on the desktop, and the game worked fine.

This "feature has probably been added to protect less experienced users from viruses. And im completley fine with that. But when windows decides to block a file which I extracted into MY folder where MS want us to keep programs without notifying me about it, I get mad. And when turning this new (completley unanouched) "feature" off is impossible and you basicaly have to use an installer or put your program on the desktop for it to work, It makes me conisder just uninstalling windows, and getting linux instead. (something which MS bribe the BIOS manufacturers to disable)
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Kezzla
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Posted: 28th Oct 2012 02:19
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yeah, its a pain alright. I unistalled, reinstalled outside of program files rebooted and ran as administrator and it finally worked. I wish you could actually turn off program blocking.

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mr Handy
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Posted: 29th Oct 2012 12:04 Edited at: 29th Oct 2012 12:04
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cool story, bro.

Seriously, what windows do you use? Windows 8?
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The Zoq2
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Posted: 29th Oct 2012 15:21
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Windows 7, the blocking started happening a few weeks ago I think. I have solved everything now though. I just wish there was a "don't block the programs that I put on my computer" button
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mr Handy
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Posted: 29th Oct 2012 16:02
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On win7 I had to uninstall windows security essentials, it was awfull piece of code: chance to compile was almost 1 to 30.
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Libervurto
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Posted: 29th Oct 2012 20:37
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There is some software you can get to disable all that useless crap. I can't remember what it's called though.

Shh... you're pretty.
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The Zoq2
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Posted: 29th Oct 2012 20:42
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Quote: "windows security essentials"


Are you talking about Microsoft security essentials?
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mr Handy
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Posted: 30th Oct 2012 09:27
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I have uninstalled it, so I forgot. Maybe yes
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nonZero
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Posted: 30th Oct 2012 21:31
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How to install/configure Windows 7:

1) Run windows installer...blah, blah, blah...Windows 7 installed.
2) Give yourself a normal Admin account.
3) In User Accounts, go to UAC settings and drag the slider down to the bottom.
4) Ensure Windows Firewall and Windows Defender are disabled.
5) Install COMODO.
6) Configure COMODO based on your preferences.

You now have security that YOU control. However, there is a large amount of responsibility on the part of the user now.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 30th Oct 2012 23:36
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Quote: "1) Run windows installer...blah, blah, blah...Windows 7 installed.
2) Give yourself a normal Admin account.
3) In User Accounts, go to UAC settings and drag the slider down to the bottom.
4) Ensure Windows Firewall and Windows Defender are disabled.
5) Install COMODO.
6) Configure COMODO based on your preferences.

You now have security that YOU control. However, there is a large amount of responsibility on the part of the user now."


Unfortunately none of this solves the problem with file permissions. Guys, for apps that don't support correct security operation under windows 7, just install somewhere other than program files! I do this for pretty much any compiler software. TGC is notorious for not following correct security procedures.

I recommend turning the security slider all the way up. Not only do you still have control, you know when a program is doing something that requires escalation.

Comodo just like any security software will have its own problems and quirks. Just keep it simple.

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The Zoq2
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Posted: 31st Oct 2012 00:21
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I have ran with UAC all the way down for 3 years, and never had a problem. And im almost fine with windows blocking my EXE files, but when it dosn't tell me and I can't turn it off, I get pissed off.

I found that if you put the program somewhere else first, unblock it and then put it in program files, it works fine.
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mr Handy
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Posted: 31st Oct 2012 07:53
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I have installed DBP in program files, everything okay without any shaman dancing (except MSE), but my project files are on the other drive.
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nonZero
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Posted: 31st Oct 2012 11:15
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Quote: "Unfortunately none of this solves the problem with file permissions."

Does for me (I may have done something else too, don't recall. But yeah, once I'd disabled Windows security I can create, modify, execute any executable in any location). These work fine on my machine:
Test #1


Test #2


Quote: "I recommend turning the security slider all the way up. Not only do you still have control, you know when a program is doing something that requires escalation."

Nein, that's what COMODO is for. If you set it to "Paranoid Mode", it'll alert you to anything from executable modifying registry or executable modifying executable to mundane things like executing explorer or direct screen access (with the exception of executables that you tell it not to notify you about).
You can define applications as types (eg: safe) and give each a custom set of permissions. You can also set default behavior and have it remember your selected action for an app.
Yes, it's not as simple as Windows security but it's actually safer and more convenient in the long run - provided you can use it and do so correctly.

I guess it boils down to how much you really are prepared to muck about. For example, I'll admit those COMODO messages are annoying when I'm installing something but, unless I know it's from a trusted source, I like to know exactly what that app is up to and you do have the option of turning it off for the entire installation or on a per-component basis (if the installer has multiple components). I download many apps that are in zip and run the installer and they run fine for me.

Quote: "I have ran with UAC all the way down for 3 years, and never had a problem. And im almost fine with windows blocking my EXE files, but when it dosn't tell me and I can't turn it off, I get pissed off."

COMODO gives you the option of [allow | block | permanently allow |permenantly block] then and there.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 31st Oct 2012 13:08
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Either install to a folder with the correct permissions, or change the folder permissions once the application is installed.

I'd be willing to bet that most problems with Vista/7 relating to security are caused by people not understanding how it works, and/or expecting to be able to use the OS the exact same way as the version before it.

Quote: "TGC is notorious for not following correct security procedures."


TGC behind the times? Never!

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