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Geek Culture / Display port and direct drive standard Anyone know any details about this standard or monitors that support Direct drive or is it supported by displayport by default?

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 23rd Dec 2012 19:46
I cant find any information about what i need on the internet so i was wondering maybe someone here knows some stuff about this.
Basically Display port is the new universally standardized high bandwidth video interface looks kindof like HDMI but is very different from it as well and aimed more at Computer monitors rather than HDTVs like HDMI. You can find many monitors with display port support these days

VESA- Video Electronics Standards Association that developed the display port also developed something called Direct drive monitor technology. Basically it makes it possible to streamline the video signal from the video card straight to the LCD display panel using just 1 wire (non display port monitors have a bulky LCD controller that convers the signal from VGA/DVI to whatever 1 of the 20 different LVDS signal standards the monitor supports. (advantage of display port that it only has 1 standard the LCD manufacturers agreed upon with VESA)
Long story short, display port monitors that support Direct Drive technology dont have any extra circut/driver/converter boards in them and thats the exact reason i need to get my hands on one because i want to take it apart and use it in my project.



But i cant find enough information on the internet that clarifies which monitors support direct drive and which dont. and if Direct drive is something that automatically goes with the display port.

All i found out is Direct drive monitor standard (DDM) was approved by VESA in 2008. But so far i found like 3 monitors that say they support DDM and i am wondering if this is one of those specifications they dont bother to include in the monitor specs because it makes no difference to the consumer aside that the monitor is cheaper thinner and lighter (because they dont have Monitor boards that normal flatpanels do)

I really need a way to know if direct drive technology is supported on 19"-20" display port monitors or not because i have a project (that i will not go into details of now) that can benefit A LOT from a 19-20" direct drive monitor (preferably LED back lighting because LED's have integrated LCD inverters).

I did stumble upon 2 technical documentation PDFs of model lines that said they supported DDM but only for the 26" monitors and they werent clear on the 20" ones. I am looking for exactly a 19-20" display port monitor that supports Direct drive technology.

Anyone with the experience out there feel free to enlighten me. Also if i am wrong about my guesses on display port and DDM technology. feel free to correct me.

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 24th Dec 2012 20:38 Edited at: 24th Dec 2012 20:42
*sigh* nobody understands my in-depth interest of computer hardware *cuts wrist*

the other guys i asked only dealt with older CCFL monitors and this technology is too new for anyone to start tinker around with...

am i the only person who dosent care about warranties and always has an urge to take stuff apart (well in this case i actually need to take it apart)

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Posted: 24th Dec 2012 22:43
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Posted: 25th Dec 2012 09:24
At the moment I have devices with vga, dvi, display port and hdmi. Perhaps in the future everything will settle on display port. For now however a monitor with a single display port input is not going to be popular. Especially as display port is pretty rare on low end hardware. So the most cost conscious section of the market that would be most interested in the cost savings isn't interested as it uses the wrong input.

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Posted: 25th Dec 2012 12:16
Display port isnt found on low end hardware because low end hardware will not gain anything from it and might be the cause of a bottleneck. for the DP protocol as i heard last version DP-1.2 increased the signal bandwidth to 17.4 Gbit/s from 8.5 Gbit/s

I guess if i think logically, with such wide bandwidth, it makes sence that DP-1.2 has Direct Drive technology by default as if there was a monitor board in between the screen and the computer, it would be possible for it to be a potential bottleneck. But i dont know this and i dont trust my logic as it has failed me too many times

Also, Display port with its advantage over DVI and VGA is aiming to improve the quality of IPS monitors (specialised monitors with fine tuned color callibration and designed for professional work in CAD and photoshop) obviosly IPS monitors dont often sit on a low end videocard. (i know a guy whose IPS is on a cheap HD6450 or something but he only does photoshop so he can handle it, If he did 3d modeling and textures, it would be a different story)

Basically while Display port is iriented on more high end videocards (my mid-ranged GTX 460 has a display port) it makes good monitors cheaper. With the rise of LED screens, i noticed some of the lower range types of IPS monitors have become as cheap as $250-$300. With direct drive and lack of any unneceseary circut boards, monitors would be even cheaper and even the high end 30" dell IPS might slice some 10-15% of the cost, maybe more since the high end IPS, have a high end monitor board with very accurate conversion of signals and colors from VGA to LVDS. With DP they wont need them.

I am such a hopless display port fanboy.



Well since i dont think anyone here is even nearly as insane as me and the word "Warranty" Still has a meaning to most of you guys, Ill go on and rant about the industry of Video standards

But seriously, its just some ways of setting up computer technology is just so annoying especially to me as i work with computers and things like 20 different LVDS standards make my job very hard and i cant always find out which LVDS version i have vs which version i need and its just a pain.



Display port if some day all computer manufacturers transfer to ths standard, It will make my life so much easier.
Also its an open standard that dosent belong to anyone which is great.
For a while i have been wondering why i cant find a single 18-20" monitor that has DVI. All of the smaller monitors are all exclusively VGA which is a standard that i am pretty sure is almost 30 years old. Even most of the video cards (exept the really cheap ones) dont have VGA anymore. They have 2-4 DVIs and proboly an HDMI or a display port or both (like my HD 5870) The most ancient card i have in my house is an ATI X1950 pro and GF NX6800Ultra 256mb. Those are like 6 years old and they dont have VGA ports. So why do smaller monitors still have VGA when since VGA was first around, computers changed in every way imaginable from the AT case form factor to the ATX, ELT monitors became Flat, Motherboards Evolved 10 ATX compatible form-factors, 5 or 6 generations of processors, ram standards and chipset architectures have risen up and fallen replaced by a better one. Went from CD-rom drives that could hold 600mb to blue-ray burners that can fit up to 50 GB on the same size disk. ATA HDDS died a while ago and now its SATA then SATA2 and SATA3 and finally SSD disks that use SATA for backwards compatibility. Molex standard has finally dissipated for good.

The only thing i can think of that has stayed proboly as long as VGA is the PCI slot. Altho PCI went trough countless revisions and improved over time. (i remember when they just stopped making PCI videocards, i had a PCI Radeon 9200SE 128mb) AGP became the new big thing even tho its been around for a while since pentium 2 mashines. Even AGP updated to 8x before the legendary PCI express 16x (which me and my friends called "technology of the future!") was announced.

VGA IS STILL AROUND EVEN THO THERE IS REALLY NO POINT TO HAVE VGA ANYMORE!
Then a year ago around the same time i found out about the new beautiful Display Port technology (which feels similar to how amazingly futuristic PCI-express seemed like 10 years ago)
I also find out that VGA (and DVI along with HDMI for that matter) are all patented standards by someone who is receiving royalties for every piece of equipment with a VGA port sold in the world. Makes sence that someone out there dosent want VGA to go away.

Seriously rooting for display-port here. One of the more progressive new technologies that came around in the last few years. I would go as far as saying Display port is the most progressive technology in the last 5 even 10 years ans everything else changed more slowly and gradually shaping the whole architecture over time, Display port radically changed flatpanel monitors since the time Flat-panels were the new radical thing in late 90s. influenced the cost of monitors to go down and forced the industry to bend to the will of the single universal display-port standard.

so yeah you get it. i am a display ports biggest fanboy, i even bought my own display-port cable even tho my monitor dosent! support DP.

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