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Geek Culture / Gah! YouTube stop playing the same Advert every few minutes...

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Chris Tate
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Posted: 26th Feb 2013 22:55 Edited at: 26th Feb 2013 23:31
Good grief, is anybody else experiencing this. This advert just played 4 times in a row in the same 10 minutes. It's 9pm at night and they keep playing this nursery rhyme Ad, at least change the advert on each hit. So stupid!



Edit: OK, 10 times this hour, must be a bug in their server or something; now way would you play such an add 10 times in a row. Can't get the music out of my head now...

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Posted: 26th Feb 2013 23:39
Oh good god, that is painful to listen to. I have adblock on so I don't see adverts but this is just awful. (And I'm not even being sarcastic, (like I usually am) that is just impossible to listen to)

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Posted: 26th Feb 2013 23:51
I think it's pretty funny that you don't use an ad-blocker.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 00:05 Edited at: 27th Feb 2013 00:08
One of the first things I installed on this PC was an ad-blocker but it doesn't stop the YouTube video adverts on here, not sure why. I am using Firefox... Still, they shouldn't have the same advert play like that, something must of happened. I really don't mind some of the adverts, sometimes the product is really good or its a movie trailer; but this?.!

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 02:24
I must admit I have ad blocker and not once has an advert interrupted any YouTube video I've watched.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 14:45
I have ad block for chrome, no ads on youtube.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 17:59
I'll try to reinstall the add-on, might be an issue with the version I am using. Thanks for the info.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 19:52 Edited at: 27th Feb 2013 19:55
I'm not watching that because for the next three weeks youtube would bombard me with nursery rhyme videos.
I keep getting sxephil recommendations even though I really don't like his videos (he does nothing but make stupid "quirky" remarks about current events that no sane person gives a rat's ass about anyway. It irks me, to be honest, that someone can make a living by simply regurgitating other people's video clips and news stories without adding any value to them whatsoever) and I haven't watched one of his videos for about a year.


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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 20:23 Edited at: 27th Feb 2013 20:28
Jeez, the number of adblock users here is kinda shocking :/ As someone who's trying to get into Youtube a bit just for fun, it's a little bit depressing actually, especially that people are so unashamed about it.

I can't say anything about it better than Hank Green can so here's this:


Edit: Let me clarify my point a little bit more: I can pay a monthly subscription to all the Youtube channels that I watch (50+ at this point I think), or I can watch 5 seconds worth of pre-roll on each video. Maybe I just have too much free time or something but I don't think it's that. Five seconds is not much of my time.
Hell, I've bought or watched things based on adverts, and I've enjoyed them. That doesn't mean I've given in to the man or I've tricked or whatever, it just means advertising has worked and helped both parties. There's too much paranoia in today's culture.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 21:47
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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 21:49
Quote: "As someone who's trying to get into Youtube a bit just for fun, it's a little bit depressing actually, especially that people are so unashamed about it."


Other video sites manage to use ads in less obtrusive ways, so YouTube should be able to.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 21:53
youtube is the BIGGEST video site, not to mention that the people making the videos make money directly off the ads..

not to mention that a 10-30 second video before the video is hardly that painful, put off the sound, do some chatting - check your facebook etc, come back and watch the video.

Honest question here benjamin: Would you rather watch ads, or pay for the service?



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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 22:17
I'd pay a small fee for ad-free access. It'd be great because then I'd have a right to bitch about their layout changes.

Quote: "not to mention that a 10-30 second video before the video is hardly that painful, put off the sound, do some chatting - check your facebook etc, come back and watch the video."


And this is different from simply blocking ads how... ? If you don't take the time to examine the ad (and then possibly click it, earning YT and the video owner some money) then you're just as 'bad' as those that use ad-blockers.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2013 22:21
Quote: "It'd be great because then I'd have a right to bitch about their layout changes."

You'd have the right, and you still do.. but they'd have no obligation to change it.

Quote: "And this is different from simply blocking ads how... ? If you don't take the time to examine the ad (and then possibly click it, earning YT and the video owner some money) then you're just as 'bad' as those that use ad-blockers."



They gain money per view - no need to examine it, per play if you wish. And extra cash per click.



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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 01:01
If google wanted to make AdBlock not work for YouTube ads, let's face it; they could. At the minute the way it's written obviously seperates the video from the advert, if they streamed the ad and video together it'd be a lot more difficult to block.


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Quote: "Jeez, the number of adblock users here is kinda shocking :/ As someone who's trying to get into Youtube a bit just for fun, it's a little bit depressing actually, especially that people are so unashamed about it."

This is the fault of Google. They should not be forcing advertisement onto everyone, they should say "You don't have to watch adverts if you don't want to, but know that ad revenue is what keeps You Tube running and rewards our content creators, if you want to support content creators then please disable your ad-blocking software."

There need to be options for what type of adverts you want to get (video, banner, etc.) and what sort of things you don't want being advertised at you (you could block this nursery rhyme advert for example). You should also be able to choose to only watch adverts for your subscriptions.

There has to be flexibility because guess what, google isn't perfect, most of the time the advertising is fine but sometimes they really take the piss (like having 30 second adverts before a 10 second clip), one bad experience is enough to encourage someone to install an ad-blocker. I have an ad-blocker and although I want to support certain people on Youtube I often forget to disable it.

Now, if youtube videos were organised by user i.e. "youtube.com/insertnamehere/watch?v=17ptQwp0usc" it would be very simple for people to disable their ad-blockers for certain users.

Trying to force people to watch adverts is like trying to give a cat a bath. In fact forcing people to do anything is kindergärtner levels of psychological ignorance. Trap someone in a corner and the first thing they'll try to do is get out!


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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 06:14
Quote: "This is the fault of Google."


yeah thats a great argument to ripping someone off "it's his fault! I wouldnt be ripping him off, if he wasnt having such a bad product >:"



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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 08:10
Quote: "yeah thats a great argument to ripping someone off "it's his fault! I wouldnt be ripping him off, if he wasnt having such a bad product >:""

It's the reality of human behaviour, not a moral argument.
Google need to provide flexibility or they will suffer.
I got the same crap when I said something similar about the ads in the free version of DBP. People seem to be more concerned with some naive view of what is fair or "worth putting up with" without thinking about what advertising is actually for and who it benefits. It does google no good to put up adverts at all if people are just going to block them, they need to work WITH the customers not against them, that way the adverts get through and people get paid.


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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 08:38
Oh i'm not saying google doesnt need to improve or such, because I think they do - what I am saying is, that you can in no way justify ripping them off.



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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 09:30
I use ad block because I don't want to see the ads. If I watch youtube on my ipad I just click the skip ad button after the 5 seconds I'm required to watch an ad for. I'd even pay a fee here if TGC gave an ad free option.

Some websites give you an option to buy ads away and if they give that option I take it, even though I don't see the ads anyway.

If the website wants to make money then pop a donate button on your site and if I regularly visit the site I'll happily donate. Provide me with something I enjoy and I will give you money in return, don't force ads down my face.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 10:15
certanly agree that "pay to get rid of ads" is a good thing, but I personally wouldnt pay it, as I dont find ads annoying..



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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 20:32
I find the idea that people think they're being forced to watch ads hilarious. You're not forced to watch anything. Don't go on Youtube if you don't want to see ads, it's that simple. But don't claim that you have some bizarre right to bypass them if you don't like them, in the same way you have no right to hijack cable TV because you don't like adverts.

YouTube are working on a subscription-based service that channels could utilize if they wanted to, but many channels don't want to have to charge for they're content because the fact is, less people would watch them. And that's their prerogative, it's good that they can have control of their methods of income.

Quote: " If you don't take the time to examine the ad (and then possibly click it, earning YT and the video owner some money) then you're just as 'bad' as those that use ad-blockers."


Ah I see, you don't understand how the system works. YouTube adverts are actually pay per view... I don't know if you get more money if the viewer doesn't skip a pre-roll because I don't use pre-rolls, but certainly you get paid by monetisable views and not by clicks.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 21:12 Edited at: 28th Feb 2013 21:14
Quote: " I find the idea that people think they're being forced to watch ads hilarious. You're not forced to watch anything. Don't go on Youtube if you don't want to see ads, it's that simple. But don't claim that you have some bizarre right to bypass them if you don't like them, in the same way you have no right to hijack cable TV because you don't like adverts."

Sorry but that's a completely anti-consumer attitude; that's like me selling hotdogs but DEMANDING you have mustard on it. There is such a thing as compromise you know? If you compromise a little you'll find that 99% of people are perfectly willing to accept some form of advertising, heck they might even BUY something, you just have to give them some level of control, you have to treat them with a bit of respect and dignity. When websites fail to do this is when adverts become obnoxious and irritating. Treat people with zero respect and they will return the favour, they wont give a crap about your ad revenue and will install an ad blocker, simple as that. Are they in the right for doing so? Of course not, they are effectively stealing, but Google are not in the right either. (I'm talking about moral right here, legal rights are different.)

Who hasn't gotten up to make a cup of tea during a TV ad break? Are you "stealing" the broadcast if you don't watch every advert?


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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 21:25
Quote: "Sorry but that's a completely anti-consumer attitude; that's like me selling hotdogs but DEMANDING you have mustard on it."

Absolutely not, it's like selling hot dogs and demanding you pay for them. Which is entirely reasonable. Exactly how is YouTube supposed to make money aside from ads, unless they set up a subscription service?

I'm absolutely not arguing that the adverts aren't irritating - I don't run pre-rolls for that reason, I think they're a bit of a pain. But I really don't understand the hatred for the little side bar or picture adverts. They don't even have sound, which is a blessing considering most other video sites seem to use full sound adverts these days

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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 21:45 Edited at: 28th Feb 2013 21:46
Quote: "Absolutely not, it's like selling hot dogs and demanding you pay for them. Which is entirely reasonable. Exactly how is YouTube supposed to make money aside from ads, unless they set up a subscription service?"

It's not like that though is it, it's not a single value or price, it's all kinds of methods of advertising without any options. You might get your mustard hot dog cheaper than any other but what if you don't like mustard? You might have been happy to have ketchup or no sauce at all but they didn't give you any choice. Is it unreasonable to buy a mustard hot dog and scrape off the mustard? Well it's not really fair on the seller because he has some weird mustard agenda that was part of the deal, which you effectively just broke, but it's understandable since he was being so uncompromising.


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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 21:49
... To be honest I don't think the hot dog analogy really fits.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 22:01 Edited at: 28th Feb 2013 22:16
Quote: "Don't go on YouTube if you don't want to see ads, it's that simple."


Seems like a pretty laughable position to take. When I first started using YouTube there were no ads. Then they decided to add ads. So they got me used to using the service and then added in the in your face adverts.

There are many YouTube channels which I visit who make the choice not to use ads and have a donate option. They still get plenty of donations from people like me who want to donate and everyone else gets to watch without ads. Their viewership does not go down because of this.

My favourite of these ads being the 30 second advert showing you why Google chrome is the superior browser and why you should use it. Great ad!!!! Wait....I'm already using Google chrome so that was a magnificent waste of 30 seconds.

To liken skipping ads to stealing is the most hilarious thing I've read this year. If downloading music illegally isn't stealing and downloading TV shows/Movies/Games/literally anything can't be called stealing then skipping an advert most definitely doesn't come under stealing.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 22:20
Well, on youtube, you have to watch at most 1 30 second ad for every video you watch, even if it is 30 minutes long. Most ads you can skip within 5 seconds. And the ad revenue goes to the video creators who use the money to make better videos. If you where to watch TV instead, you would have to watch 10 minutes of ads for 20 minutes of movie. And seriously, how often do you see an ad that you actually get interested in buying something from.
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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 22:38
I dont like ads on tv, my solution? I dont watch tv.



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Quote: "There are many YouTube channels which I visit who make the choice not to use ads and have a donate option. They still get plenty of donations from people like me who want to donate and everyone else gets to watch without ads. Their viewership does not go down because of this."


Then just watch those ones. That's totally OK. But you can't justify negating the income of one creator because another one has a method you prefer, in the same way you can't nick from a shop because a different one has cheaper prices.

Quote: "When I first started using YouTube there were no ads. Then they decided to add ads. So they got me used to using the service and then added in the in your face adverts."


Again, this argument seems strange to me and I'm not sure where it's come from - you can still go on YouTube and not see ads, many channels do not allow ads (as you say). I'm not arguing for the existence of ads because of the revenue YouTube gains, I'm arguing for them because it is, in my opinion, the most convenient and pleasant way of content creators to earn a living.

Quote: "To liken skipping ads to stealing is the most hilarious thing I've read this year. If downloading music illegally isn't stealing and downloading TV shows/Movies/Games/literally anything can't be called stealing then skipping an advert most definitely doesn't come under stealing."


I perhaps wouldn't call the use of adblock stealing, I would put it more on the level of not tipping a waiter. Sure, it's not illegal, but it's still a dick move and pretty disrespectful when someone is providing a service to you that is, apart from a few brief seconds of your time, absolutely free.
(Just to clarify, I class piracy as stealing but that's a different topic all together, let's not go there).

Quote: "Well, on youtube, you have to watch at most 1 30 second ad for every video you watch, even if it is 30 minutes long. Most ads you can skip within 5 seconds. And the ad revenue goes to the video creators who use the money to make better videos."


This. It's exactly this that I find so crazy, exactly what is so 'in-your-face' and unbearable about a 5 second skippable advert? Maybe I'm just younger and more used to having lots of advertising all around but I've never found it particularly oppressive, in the same way I don't find billboards or TV adverts oppressive, they're just there.

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Quote: "I would put it more on the level of not tipping a waiter."


I cant relate to that because in sweden, tipping a waiter... we dont do that..

but, adblock feels like a service that isnt illegal- but SHOULD be illegal, because it activly blocks income.



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Posted: 28th Feb 2013 22:52
Quote: "I cant relate to that because in sweden, tipping a waiter... we dont do that.."

To be fair it's not as big in this country either as it is in the USA, because it's the main source of a waiter's income whereas here part of the food bill goes to that... at least that's my understanding of the system.

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AFAIK - being a waiter here is no different from any other line of work, well other than the work itself. Pay works the same



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This may be a terrible idea, but I wanna know what people think of it. What if somehow it cost a small fee to use adblock, and then an amount of that money went to each site you viewed, proportional to how much you viewed the site. Perhaps this adblock bill could even be added into a Internet bill, say $5.00 extra per month to use adblocking services, and it would all be integrated with the internet package. However, I'm sure people would simply write a freeware adblocker to replace it, and I'm sure the current freeware one will always remain freeware. Just realizing how impractical my idea is!

And honestly, why would I want to pay for adblock?
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dark basic dude, imagine the paperwork there - 5$ divided into 50+ sites / month..,

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I'm sure it would all be electronically done by a server based billing system.
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I remember when I could just F5 the ads away.

Not only is my time valuable to me, but I also don't want my limited data usage to be eaten up by streaming video ads. If I don't have to watch an ad, then I will choose not to.

Cable companies now provide DVRs so that I can record shows and watch them later. They also have the option to fast skip through commercials. Are cable companies committing a crime by allowing us to bypass advertising? They even advertise this feature on TV... o_O

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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 04:35 Edited at: 1st Mar 2013 04:48
Quote: "To liken skipping ads to stealing is the most hilarious thing I've read this year. If downloading music illegally isn't stealing and downloading TV shows/Movies/Games/literally anything can't be called stealing then skipping an advert most definitely doesn't come under stealing."


This is true, but I would call ad blocking on Youtube piracy, rather than stealing.

Quote: "I think it's pretty funny that you don't use an ad-blocker."


You may not like the ads, but as other people have suggested, if you don't like them, you simply don't watch the content.

Look at it from a content creators perspective. They rely on those views for their income. How is a 5 second advert really so bad for a 10-20 minute video? Its a huge improvement over traditional TV.

I agree with you there should be a paid subscription model in there, but will blocking the ads really hurt the multi-billion dollar Google? Or do you think it will hurt the content creators more?

Don't punish the creators of content for something that is ultimately out of their control. And really, when has piracy ever made a corporation improve their services (apart from the odd few like Valve)?

At the end of the day its your choice. But to tout the use of an ad-block as something clever is pretty low. You wouldn't say 'I find it funny people still pay for video games', hinting that you pirate them, so why do it for online content?
Just like video game piracy has an adverse affect on paying customers, so does media piracy (unless you are dealing with a sensible company).

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Some stuff I have seen here has inspired me to go without Adblock for the next 24 hours, just to see how bad it is. It's been a while since I have not used it, and that was back when my slow Internet connection made those 5 second until clickaway ads more like 40-50 second ordeals.

Also, I shall be using the handy "Pause Adblock on this page" feature for pages that have non irritating ads.
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Quote: "This is true, but I would call ad blocking on Youtube piracy, rather than stealing."


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I'm not negating someone's income by blocking ads on YouTube, I'm not taking away money they already have. I'm going to click the skip ad button as soon as it appears so they're not getting income from me watching an ad anyway. The creator does have a choice to not have ads, they choose to have ads and I choose not to see them.

I would never tip a waiter either. No one tips me when I do my job. If a waiter NEEDS tips to supplement their income they are clearly not being paid a fair wage and that's a whole other issue.

I never said it was clever to use an ad blocker. I'm excercising a choice to not view ads on the Internet. If this offends people here, I honestly don't care.

I'm now excercising a choice to not reply in this thread anymore. Feel free to continue to tell me why you think I'm wrong and I'll continue with my ad free youtube, while feasting on the tears on all those YouTubers who are missing out on the 0.01c they would have made from me watching an ad.

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somehow I believe 0.01c is not the amount here



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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 10:06 Edited at: 1st Mar 2013 10:08
Quote: "I'm not negating someone's income by blocking ads on YouTube, I'm not taking away money they already have. I'm going to click the skip ad button as soon as it appears so they're not getting income from me watching an ad anyway. The creator does have a choice to not have ads, they choose to have ads and I choose not to see them. "


The creator doesn't really have a choice to not have ads if they are trying to make a living producing this content.
Its true about the skip ad option, but the reason that's there is to put the control over the sort of ads you want to watch in your hands. Its there to force the advertisers to create more engaging advertisements and content creators to give their users more relevant adverts (Although I'm not sure how much control they have over it).

If a commercial pops up that I find relatively intriguing, I tend to watch it, if its something I'm not interested in or something I've seen before I tend to skip it.

Quote: "I never said it was clever to use an ad blocker. I'm excercising a choice to not view ads on the Internet. If this offends people here, I honestly don't care."


My comment in my previous post wasn't aimed at you.

Quote: "I'm now excercising a choice to not reply in this thread anymore. Feel free to continue to tell me why you think I'm wrong and I'll continue with my ad free youtube, while feasting on the tears on all those YouTubers who are missing out on the 0.01c they would have made from me watching an ad."


As I said in my previous post, at the end of the day its your choice, I just wanted to share my personal opinion on the matter. I don't think any less of people ad blocking, I just don't condone people saying things like this:

"I think it's pretty funny that you don't use an ad-blocker."

When the people losing out at the end of the day are the people who work hard to produce the content we like so much!

Its a shame it had to end in this bitterness, it wasn't my goal to upset or offend anyone.

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But what about the old adds in the form of a banner on top of your website, or the small box on the side of your screen.

The only reason I use adblock is to stop ad's from playing before a video I want to watch, and to stop websites spending way more time to load because of a huge flash player ad with music and all kind of crap I don't want to have.

I don't find ad's in the newspaper a problem, it's all the "modern" ad's ( video's, animation, flash ad's ) that I want to block, because they are the ones actually slowing down my internet and wasting my time.
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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 17:07 Edited at: 1st Mar 2013 17:10
Quote: "This. It's exactly this that I find so crazy, exactly what is so 'in-your-face' and unbearable about a 5 second skippable advert? Maybe I'm just younger and more used to having lots of advertising all around but I've never found it particularly oppressive, in the same way I don't find billboards or TV adverts oppressive, they're just there."

The point is that websites are a flexible medium. People put up with (or completely ignore) adverts on TV because there's little they can do about them, but they are much less likely to put up with them on the internet because it is so easy to block them. Which ties into this:
Quote: "you can't justify negating the income of one creator because another one has a method you prefer, in the same way you can't nick from a shop because a different one has cheaper prices."

I'll repeat myself again by saying this has nothing to do with moral justification, it's what people are going to do because it's easy to do (even easier than stealing from a sweet shop). You can't sit there crying about injustice, you have to work with the reality of the situation. And as Thraxas said, this is not equatable to stealing since they are no worse off since you watched the video; a view is not an item in a shop.

I'm sure you have some viewers who will sit through adverts for you but what about the ones who don't want to? What if they would be perfectly happy to donate some money instead? Have you given them that option? Now if youtube gave more options too you'd get even more money from people who dislike only certain adverts.


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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 18:41
Quote: "The creator doesn't really have a choice to not have ads if they are trying to make a living producing this content. "

Especially because you need a lot of views to come close to making any reasonable money from it - one of the most recent big things on YouTube is a series called 'Becoming YouTube' by a bloke named Ben Cook; it's the result of two years solid work and as of right now he gets about 200,000 views per video. Apparently he has barely made back the money he spent on the equipment he used, and certainly could have made far more in an everyday job.

Quote: "Its true about the skip ad option, but the reason that's there is to put the control over the sort of ads you want to watch in your hands. Its there to force the advertisers to create more engaging advertisements and content creators to give their users more relevant adverts (Although I'm not sure how much control they have over it)."

You can choose the type of adverts that appear (banner, pre-roll etc) but not the actual content of the advert.

Quote: "As I said in my previous post, at the end of the day its your choice, I just wanted to share my personal opinion on the matter. I don't think any less of people ad blocking, I just don't condone people saying things like this:

"I think it's pretty funny that you don't use an ad-blocker."

When the people losing out at the end of the day are the people who work hard to produce the content we like so much!"

Exactly this - YouTube to be honest can cry as much as they like about AdBlock, they're doing fine. It's the content creators that really miss out because, as of right now, there's no other way to generate income from YouTube itself. (Merch is another situation entirely, but seeing as some people consider it selling out when a Tuber starts selling T-Shirts or whatever it's certainly not perfect either)

Quote: "You can't sit there crying about injustice, you have to work with the reality of the situation. And as Thraxas said, this is not equatable to stealing since they are no worse off since you watched the video; a view is not an item in a shop."

Which, to be honest, is another piracy argument. The transfer of digital goods can never be equated to stealing because the product is ephemeral - but that doesn't mean it has no value, simply because it isn't physical. If someone has created something and wants payment for it, that is their choice, and not yours to decide you don't wish to pay.

Quote: "Its a shame it had to end in this bitterness, it wasn't my goal to upset or offend anyone."


Agreed. Honestly I don't judge anyone that much for using AdBlock, I'm aware that it's pretty widespread and I'm not that bothered, but it's the way people scorn those who don't use it which irritates me, as it seems they don't know how much it hurts creators. But no bad feeling meant

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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 19:03
Quote: "I'm sure you have some viewers who will sit through adverts for you but what about the ones who don't want to? What if they would be perfectly happy to donate some money instead? Have you given them that option? Now if youtube gave more options too you'd get even more money from people who dislike only certain adverts.
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pretty sdure we are all on par that this would be appreciated - however, saying "I dont pay you for this product, because you dont take cards >:" is hardly a legit excuse.

So, like said before: yes, it would be appreciated, but as of right now that is NOT the case, and youtube IS working on atleast touching that subject.



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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 19:11
@INH
Quote: "Which, to be honest, is another piracy argument. The transfer of digital goods can never be equated to stealing because the product is ephemeral - but that doesn't mean it has no value, simply because it isn't physical. If someone has created something and wants payment for it, that is their choice, and not yours to decide you don't wish to pay."

Why are you bothered by someone watching a video you made without paying if you suffer no additional costs? Those people were never going to pay for it anyway so at least they are watching your videos and raising your profile up the charts. The best you can do is make people aware that you need their support to continue making videos, and one way to give support is by watching adverts.


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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 19:22
Quote: "Those people were never going to pay for it anyway so at least they are watching your videos and raising your profile up the charts."


fairly sure if adblock did not exist, MOST of those people would watch it anyway



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Posted: 1st Mar 2013 19:58
The ad revenue that goes to the video creator is so minute that my single view is worth nada.

It's such a primitive, pre-internet way of thinking. "Just throw an ad on it."

The internet is better than other media because I can input as well as sit and watch an output. Ads that are pertinent to me are interesting, they serve a purpose, and I don't hate things like Play.com banners appearing on sites advertising game soundtracks for sale, or clothing adverts showing stuff I might like. I've had both of these appear on completely unrelated sites, and it seems like the intelligent way forward.

Google hoovers up info on every Chrome user going, yet I'm still getting ads the new Twilight movie and other such crap I would enter the same county as.

Yet I've had adverts roll for things like Wreck-It-Ralph, and actually watched all two minutes or so of it before a video.

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