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FLAME123
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So I watched the 17 minute or so game-play trailer today and I'm struggling to find any major advancements graphically considering it's being powered by the new Frostbite 3 engine. Sure, there's some nice particle effects and lens flare along with more debris and hi-res textures but that's as far as it goes. To be honest, couldn't this have already been achieved in Frostbite 2?
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Posted: 27th Mar 2013 16:26
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Yeah, it looks like battlefield 3.5

Aaand here goes the series to COD.

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Quote: "Aaand here goes the series to COD. "


and already, in the second post of the thread - this came up.

yeah guess I wont be visiting this - potentially interesting thread anytime soon then.



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Posted: 27th Mar 2013 16:38 Edited at: 27th Mar 2013 16:41
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Guess we\'ll be getting one of these a year now :/ I can\'t realy say im inpressed...

BF used to be a multiplayer focused game with huge maps and \"tactical\" gameplay. But since BC1, it has been slowly drifting away from that. The fact that they use this realy linear campaign that will only be used to advertise the game. Also, the fact that the campaign is so unrealistic. Generally I don\'t realy care that much about realism, but when the car got hit in the engine by a helicopter using explosive rounds and nothing happned, I got a bit pissed. Some more examples of that is that the \"player\" cut of that guys leg with one swipe of a combat knife.

Allso, the fact that EA will probably release DLC every 2 months and not patch gamebreaking bugs for months either.

Quote: " major advancements graphically"

Well, there seems to be a lot more anoying lensflares. The fire and smoke looked pretty good.

Quote: "To be honest, couldn\'t this have already been achieved in Frostbite 2"


Well, what makes EA look better, new game on the same engine every year, or new game on a \"new\" engine every year. To be honest, this game will probably have less new content compared to BF3 than BF2 special forces had compared to BF2.

Quote: "Aaand here goes the series to COD."


While I do agree with quick, EA are doing the same thing as activision do with COD, release a game every year with minor improvments.
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Posted: 27th Mar 2013 18:05
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TBH In the end, I am still going to pre-order, then buy premium and spend 120 bucks on premium and preorder. If I get one more tiny map pack, "Close Quarters" Im going to cry, and never play it again. Every time they make a COD trailer, they always put retarded, mainstream rap/pop for their music. I think this is the first trailer for battlefield to do that :\ No more battlefield theme?

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Oh yea, I meant to comment on the theme. It seems like they took the BF2 theme, then exportedit to a destroying format over and over again until the BF3 theme appeared. Then they did the same thing but twice as long until they got the BF4 theme.

Based on this prediction, this will be the 10 hour version of the BF5 or 6 themesong
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Posted: 28th Mar 2013 12:54
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Oh my god, Halo so beats BF and COD series hands down!

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@SpyDaniel
Yeah, sci-fi beats military, RPG beats Puzzles, Tetris beats NFS.

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Guys, tell me what to smear the eyes to get the flares effect? I want to see that realistic effect IRL

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Posted: 28th Mar 2013 17:26
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I loved BF3, so I guess I'm gonna get BF4, of course. I think there were plenty of graphical improvements over the third. I noticed that the skin shaders on the characters were significantly improved. As were the ocean waves. The ground looks more detailed and such. The smoke definitely looks miles better. I think the only thing they didn't really improve on was the guns. They looked hauntingly the same as Battlefield 3's weapons.
But, I guess I'm still gonna buy it. I'm a huge Battlefield fan. I've played all of them.

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Well, I guess I better get cracking with Battlefield 3 again, since EA are probably gonna close the servers a few months after Battlefield 4 is released.
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People still play spunkgargleweewee games?

Just stay away from Metro: Last Light then, it's definitely not aiming to impose on that territory.
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Spunkgargleweewee?
I read the post and i did not grasp what it means..



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It's a reference to Zero Punctuation. He gets so sick of "Shooter Season 2012" putting out samey modern war shooters, that he decides to rename them to that to reflect their idiotic worthlessness, (in his eyes.)
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ahh, I see

Well - I quite like modern shooter games, if theyre done right. But in most cases - I cant relate to anyone of my teammates - theyre about as in depth in personality as a rock, and usually its more about SHOOTING EVERYTHING than the terror of it all.. Soo yeah

But like i said - if its done right, then yeah - why not?



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I wouldn't mind games like Call of Duty if they actually promoted teamwork.

Sadly, everything the player can get just makes them more capable of getting kills, and there's no need to get help when you can kill someone just as quick as anything else.

The reason Team Fortress works is that some people need more bullets to die than others, and some weapons don't inflict damage so much as stun or make them more vulnerable to attacks. It works well because you have Scouts stunning Heavies so a Sniper can take their head off, and everyone feels worthwhile...except the Heavy.

CoD cycles through Sprint, Sight, Spray. You default 'til the first 'til you see a victim, do the final two as quickly as possible, then either win or die, or win then die when the guy respawns two meters behind you.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2013 00:14
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TF2 "only works if playing with friends" though, otherwise it's not very team worky tbh


But - Red orchestra 2 (1st ive heard is great too) is a very realistic shooter with much focus on teamwork



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Posted: 29th Mar 2013 02:38
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Halo stopped being good after halo 3... Reach sucked, Halo 4 was boring, bland, etc. It was drifted toward COD.

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I was only joking about halo xD

I watched some videos of BF4 and it doesn't even look like BF3.5 more like .1 :\ EA must have forced the studio to pump it out so they can make more money. Seems to be the way these days, publishers are getting far too greedy.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2013 13:01
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EA has always been greedy - look at all them DLCs for BF3.
which, imo ruined BF3



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Like EA will suspend your account if you don't buy those DLC. I never buy DLC, except addons on a disks.

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I can see BF4 loosing a few players to other games, it's just not enough of a leap from BF3, which is still popular, esp after the price drop a few weeks ago. I really like BF3, but it'll take some convincing for me to spend time on it.

I mean, if I'm looking for massive online shooting - I have Arma3 and Planetside2, if I'm looking for a quick blast there's Farcry3 and that Unreal mech shooter I've forgotten the name of. I've been playing some Warframe as well - that's a good co-op shooter. BF3 filled a niche that is now overflowing with options, and most of those options are 'free'. Why should people pay for a game, then pay again for DLC then pay again for the next incarnation and start again.

I think I'd prefer if BF became a separate thing, like no BF5, BF6... just BF that get's updated, scenarios (like BF2142) can be DLC, but it's really difficult to justify the time it takes to get to a decent level, just to have to start all over because EA need to pay bonuses.
It's a shame, but BF is going the way of COD - we could argue that BF3 won the last round, it was more innovative than COD's incarnation at the time - somehow EA must think that it has to replace COD, like the town ain't big enough anymore - which is total rubbish, the marketplace has changed a lot in the last couple of years... people are prepared to pay for things, so long as it doesn't feel like we're paying over and over again. It seems to me, that BattlefieldPlay4Free and BattlefieldHeroes has taught EA nothing about the state of the industry.

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Quote: "Like EA will suspend your account if you don't buy those DLC. I never buy DLC, except addons on a disks."


no but you see.... there's 1 64p server for th eoriginal maps, and then theres one 48, and the rest is 32 - and some of these even switches over to DLC maps AFAIK

I havent bought a single DLC, and can hardly play the game anymore - I do only want 64p battles, but that server is either constantly full - or empty.



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I only played the campaigns of these games. Bad Company 1 and 2 were entertaining and had fun characters, but BF3 just fell flat. It did that Black Ops thing of a soldier being interrogated and the game is his flashback memories of events and battles against Russians.

(Which by the way breaks flow so horribly, so please stop doing it game devs. Leap frogging from one battle to the net disjointed battle gives no closure or setup side from a guy mumbling to an interrogator for a minute between them.)

I mean, if you're gunna rip off CoD, why rip off the weakest, most rushed and crappy CoD out?
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Looks pretty. I am ever so tired of modern combat though..


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Quote: "I was only joking about halo xD"

That looked more like troll attepmt than a joke Anyways, I think Halo is a damn cool character that can't be replaced by any other game series.

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Quote: "I think Halo is a damn cool character"


Quote: "Halo is a damn cool character"


Quote: "Halo is a character"


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To be honest, I'm waiting for defiance on the 2nd, played the beta, bought the game, its epic, BF4 can say bye bye.
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because Defiance and BF is definitly even the same genre..



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Quote: "EA must have forced the studio to pump it out so they can make more money."


Heaven forbid a public company that has to answer to shareholders tries to make more of a product that millions will buy!

This gameplay footage looks amazing to me, and I'll probably pick it up.


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I agree with Jeku. The gameplay looks intense and modern videogames are almost always graphical marvels. I mean ...come on! This looks fantastic.

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Yeah this looks pretty darn good to me. I liked Bad Company 2 so I hope the campaign and characters are interesting like that was.

Quote: " modern videogames are almost always graphical marvels. I mean ...come on! This looks fantastic."


I concur with this.

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Graphical marvels are nice and all, but I'd take a slightly-dated graphics engine if it was wrapped around a fun or meaningful game any day.

Also, I miss glitches, I really do. AI derps and exploits were more fun than the games themselves, sometimes.
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Quote: "but I'd take a slightly-dated graphics engine if it was wrapped around a fun or meaningful game any day."


But you have no idea if it's fun until you play it, right?


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Quote: "Also, I miss glitches, I really do. AI derps and exploits were more fun than the games themselves, sometimes."


I never enjoyed glitches - or,well, when playing at a friends house or so then yes - glitches!! but alone in my room? Nah.



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I personally adore the battlefield franchise and I still often play battlefield 3 and even bad company 2, both of which I don't really see a graphical improvement necessary in. Of course whilst the kids always want shiny new graphics I think that the step up from 3 to 4 is satisfactory and I don't really see how they can be greatly improved (unless they add a ridiculous level of detail to the scene, maxing out the engine's capability and production time). As I said I'll enjoy more battlefield multiplayer playtime regardless.

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I still think the original crysis blows Battlefield out of the water...
well... vegetation wise anyway~~



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Quote: "But you have no idea if it's fun until you play it, right?"


I had no fun with BF's online play, and BF3's campaign just didn't feel all that fun to me, either. Unless they drastically rewrite the formula - which is highly unlikely - I'll give this one a miss.

Sadly the only game that seems up my alley this year is Last Light.
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Really? We had a bunch of great videogames lately... maybe you just need a break from games alltogether

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Well, there's Crysis 3, which was shiny but at the same time kinda empty. I felt disappointed given how Crysis 2 seemed to be going for a really cool narrative that escalated quite comfortably.

Halo 4 I found mostly disappointing, Call of Duty flew past my radar altogether, and I haven't got round to Far Cry 3 yet.

That's it for 360-compatible games coming out lately that I can think of off the top of my head.

Wait, Dead Space 3, although I found the first two half jumpy, half boring.
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These are all shooters... maybe you have gunbarrel-fatigue

I only played far cry 3 of these, the others dont interest me. FC3 was good if you like strict shooters. It has some great creative moments that get drowned in a tropical killing simulation. I enjoyed most of it but after a while you slowly realize that you are just killing hundreds of pirates and thats all there is to it. The narrative starts good but then falls flat. The great drug levels are worth it though. If you dont enjoy crysis you will likely not enjoy FC3.

The game that caught my attention in the shooter genre was Bioshock infinite. It has a nice flair to it and I liked the first one.



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Quote: "The game that caught my attention in the shooter genre was Bioshock infinite"


Bloody hell, how could I forget that!

That is one game I'm interested in, actually.

I just mean new games. I'm a pre-own "Satanist," (if you ask the gaming media.) I just bought Company of Heroes for my PC yesterday, happened across it for £2.99 brand new. It's a fantastic, little RTS, and old enough to run at max on my PC, which is actually roughly the same age.

Bless it, it's so old it's touting Havok like no-one else is using it yet.

I just prefer single player games. Multiplayer is fun for social times around friend's, but I've got a taste for games that try and build a world and put you at the centre of it. Metro 2033 did this well, and I loved the book, so I'm eager to see Last Light.
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Quote: "Well, there's Crysis 3, which was shiny but at the same time kinda empty. I felt disappointed given how Crysis 2 seemed to be going for a really cool narrative that escalated quite comfortably."


Crysis 2 was complete crap compared to Crysis 3... x)



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Indeed quick, I was so dissapointed when C2 came out, but after playing the Beta of C3 and having a friend that could get me C3 for cheap, I picked it up. And it's the most "interesting" shooter I have played in a while
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Quote: "Crysis 2 was complete crap compared to Crysis 3... x)"


I liked the storyline to it. Crysis 3's storyline is just so shallow and predictable, and it jumps too far ahead to be meaningful. :/
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For me, the crysis 2 story was a random alien invation that happned to have the same nanosuit as in the first game, however the intel that you could find in crysis 3 created a link between crysis 1 and crysis 2. That was almost the best part for me.
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Just a better graphics engine (WIP). BF4, C3, pfft.



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Quote: "For me, the crysis 2 story was a random alien invation that happned to have the same nanosuit as in the first game, however the intel that you could find in crysis 3 created a link between crysis 1 and crysis 2. That was almost the best part for me."


I liked the subtext of the post-humanism, with Alcatraz's personality slowly being consumed by Prophet and the Nanosuit's. Finding out the character you played actually died along the way, and is held together with silicon and positive thinking was quite suprising.

I'd hoped that we'd at least see Alcatraz and Prophet's personalities fight each other. Prophet on his own didn't really do the struggle for his humanity aspect too well, especially with the way he just passes off comments that he's inhabiting Alcatraz's flesh like a body snatcher.

Could have been cool to see Prophet essentially still being a machine going to kill the Ceph, regardless of the collateral, while Alcatraz still has that one aspect of fighting for the people they're trying to save.

Also, Psycho the "So British I fart the Queen" character was incredibly annoying.
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Quote: "I liked the subtext of the post-humanism, with Alcatraz's personality slowly being consumed by Prophet and the Nanosuit's"


Well, it had a hint of that for those who got it. This would have been a fantastic concept if Alcatraz had a personality to begin with ...maybe even one that would contradict the one of prophet. There could have been monologues, multiple choices and so on. It would have been great. But no, they took the easy route.

Quote: "I'd hoped that we'd at least see Alcatraz and Prophet's personalities fight each other. Prophet on his own didn't really do the struggle for his humanity aspect too well, especially with the way he just passes off comments that he's inhabiting Alcatraz's flesh like a body snatcher."


Yeah! I should read posts further ahead before commenting on them.

I also kept thinking off how he is supposed to do his bathroom routine if that thing is hardwired to his body.

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Really liked BF3 single player campaign but was disappointed by how short it was. And the main villain of BF3 looked like he could have been expanded from a typical 2d FPS villan.

Still looking forward for BF4.

Compared to many FPS games BF3-4 single player campaigns look like frigging interactive movies. So many scripted events.

Not that i don't like it, In fact i really like it, it adds to the realism and atmosphere

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Scripted events does to me give the exact opposite to realism and atmosphere...



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