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Dar13
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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 00:48 Edited at: 16th Apr 2013 04:54
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Two explosions occurred at finish line of Boston Marathon earlier today. 2 dead, 40-something wounded so far.
https://vine.co/v/bFdt5uwg6JZ
WARNING:GRAPHIC VIOLENCE/EXPLOSION Captured footage of one explosion.

Cousin lives in the area, was close enough to have had heard the blast.

Edit: Link format fix.

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Terrible events. The explosions took place within 5 seconds of each other and on each side street. There was also reported a third explosion later (not sure where) and two explosive devices were also found elsewhere and dismantled.


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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 01:07
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I used to live outside of Boston.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 01:42 Edited at: 16th Apr 2013 01:55
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Apparently the third was at the JFK library. I just can't understand why someone would want to hurt random people in the street. Pretty disgusting way to get attention. They obviously waited until they knew the cameras would be on the finish line.

[edit]17,000 had already finished, seems odd to wait that long. Sorry to be talking about it so pragmatically but there are several things about this that are a bit strange.

Any idea who is responsible, it does not seem like Al-Qaeda to me at first sight.


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Yes, this does seem a strange as well as cowardly attack. If they've managed to retrieve some devices intact then there's a good chance they'll track down the culprits quickly. Let's hope so.

I'm certainly keeping an open mind on who is responsible, what their motives were or indeed what the intended target was.

A sad day whatever the truth.
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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 02:43 Edited at: 16th Apr 2013 02:43
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I have a worrying feeling that this might have been done by US citizens without ties to foreign terrorist groups. The last thing America needs is its own IRA right now. Totally speculating here though, I haven't heard any more news.


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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 03:10 Edited at: 16th Apr 2013 03:11
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Holy cow. This is exactly where I usually stand, really hits home for me. I didn't go this year and thank God. they're saying 120+ people injured. For those wondering why they waited like that, the marathon is one of the biggest events in Boston and that time of day is when the streets are the busiest as people are finishing the marathon, meeting family, all that. It's absolutely despicable. I don't really know what to say, except that this was clearly designed to be seen and remembered.

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I hope that the marathon in London will be spared. One thing is for sure, the authorities are aware of a possibility and that leads to tighter controls and more thorough searches. If it was nut cases that are American bread then it is unlikely London will get hit.


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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 04:19
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Quote: "One thing is for sure, the authorities are aware of a possibility and that leads to tighter controls and more thorough searches."


Something they've been saying over and over is that the authorities are always prepared for this. Doctors, fire, police, everyone is trained and does drills to expect the worst in case it happens. Obviously it's a huge tragedy, but with any public event on this scale they're always trained to expect something in the instance that it does.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 04:28
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Quote: "Something they've been saying over and over is that the authorities are always prepared for this. Doctors, fire, police, everyone is trained and does drills to expect the worst in case it happens."


We EMS put in over thousands of hours training for situations like this- fire fighters, police, paramedics, military, SAR, etc. No amount of training or preparation gets you ready for situations like this, but our training keeps us focused when we do face it.


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This was a depressing, work-derailing thing to hear about today. Tragic and scary.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 06:23 Edited at: 16th Apr 2013 06:26
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Quote: "Apparently the third was at the JFK library"


I heard about that, didn't know it was related.

Quote: "I hope that the marathon in London will be spared."

The news says terrorist attack, but I haven't heard anything that points to that really. Could be another local uni-bomber and if that's the case, london has nothing to worry about.

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Just in case of you knew someone in the area, Google has made a page to help finding people.

http://google.org/personfinder/2013-boston-explosions

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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 12:50
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Quote: "The news says terrorist attack, but I haven't heard anything that points to that really."


It was plainly a bomb attack aimed at innocent civilians and is therefore a terrorist attack, whether a home US grown nutter or some other organised group isn't clear yet.
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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 13:17 Edited at: 16th Apr 2013 13:18
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there is one question that i only heard being asked once on the speculations to who and why relating the attack.
Didnt Obama significantly cut spendings on the military budget?

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Quote: "Didnt Obama significantly cut spendings on the military budget?"

No, because Obama doesn't control spending decisions. Congress does. Anyways, that is a bit off-topic since it's the civilian authorities that are handling the event(FBI, Boston PD, etc).

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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 15:47
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This is a terrible thing to have happened but am somewhat thankful that it wasn't as bad as it could have been.

I can't help but feel somewhat desensitised to the horror of it though, which worries me a lot. Clearly this is a horrible thing but there is a small part of me which sees the low death toll and it doesn't seem to affect me as much as it would have, had the death toll been higher.... Am I so used to seeing these atrocities on the news that their impact is diminished?

I also see the blame game starting, condemning of Islam, conspiracy theories about how Obama has organised this, the NRA has done it to show how you can do damage with things other than guns... It's all ridiculous.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 17:14
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Quote: "It was plainly a bomb attack aimed at innocent civilians and is therefore a terrorist attack, whether a home US grown nutter or some other organised group isn't clear yet."

I think when Phaelax says "terrorism" he was thinking about known terrorist groups, not that this attack is not an act of terrorism.

Quote: "This is a terrible thing to have happened but am somewhat thankful that it wasn't as bad as it could have been."

I had the same reaction. Apparently it was the worst act of terrorism since 9/11 (I don't know what that is based on), so when you compare it to that I think it's a relief that there were only three deaths, I'm actually amazed that there were only three given the large crowds there -- That's something that makes me think the bombs were hidden rather than a suicide bombing (suicide bombers usually kill dozens). Over 100 injured and thousands that will be mentally scarred from this -- I find it odd that they use the term "injured" like it's such a trivial thing, yet there's no distinction between someone grazing their knee and losing a leg, and there's no mention of the mental affects from witnessing something like this. It took me months to get over being mugged so I can't imagine what the survivors must be going through. I also wonder how many were injured in the panic after the blast, those walkways looked pretty narrow and fenced off.

If there are new things that can be learned from this to save lives in the future then I'd say we got off pretty lightly in the grand scheme of things.


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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 18:11
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I heard one of the bombs was in a bin and that they were set on a timer which may have malfunctioned, so a suicide bombing seems unlikely. (Plus I think they would have already mentioned it if that were the case)

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Quote: "This is a terrible thing to have happened but am somewhat thankful that it wasn't as bad as it could have been. "


Very much exactly what this lad said. It is most certanly terrible - awful, but it's such a great thing that no more people were killed.

I certanly hope the wounded will recover, and feel bad about the lost.



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Quote: "I heard one of the bombs was in a bin and that they were set on a timer which may have malfunctioned, so a suicide bombing seems unlikely. (Plus I think they would have already mentioned it if that were the case)"

I actually find this more worrying than if it were a suicide bomber, everything seems to be pointing to a small home-grown terrorist group. Why would they be attacking a public event like this though? You would have thought a political terrorist would attack a government building or a rally or something, not a sporting event. If it was someone who just did it out of hate for society, like a school shooter, well they usually take their own life too. No, I think this was done by someone who wants something, but then it's odd that no one has claimed responsibility. Maybe it's someone wanting to start a civil war. This could have been someone acting alone. It's all very strange.


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I'm in the same boat as you Thraxas, I feel terrible saying it but 3 deaths is sort of a relief considering it was a legitimate bombing - especially considering the New York friggin Post was reporting 12 deaths for the longest time. There are still 176 injured though (which is a staggering number to me) so we still have to hope and pray that they make as best a recovery as they can.

Quote: "It was plainly a bomb attack aimed at innocent civilians and is therefore a terrorist attack, whether a home US grown nutter or some other organised group isn't clear yet."


It's only a terrorist attack if there was some sort of goal where fear and death was used to get it or get their message out, this could still just be a psychopath that wanted to hurt people.

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Quote: "It's only a terrorist attack if there was some sort of goal where fear and death was used to get it or get their message out, this could still just be a psychopath that wanted to hurt people."


Quote: "Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion. In the international community, however, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition."



mmmhm...



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Posted: 16th Apr 2013 22:28
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Precisely.

Anyway, we need to be patient and wait for clear evidence to emerge. One possibility is that the bombs were placed by a group hoping to implicate the "obvious suspects" and stir up trouble. Hopefully reason will prevail and people will wait before jumping to dangerously misleading conclusions.
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Quote: "Apparently it was the worst act of terrorism since 9/11"


In US, yes, but not in the world.

I hate when people are saying "I think it might be related to so'n'so, but who knows." It's such an easy cop out, and if who knows, then why even say that in the first place?

I think it was North Korea, but who knows?


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Quote: " Why would they be attacking a public event like this though? You would have thought a political terrorist would attack a government building or a rally or something,"


Well it was tax day, also Patriots day i think and if i am not mistaken Kim Il Sung (Kim Jon Ill's father) birthday. The suspect they caught is Saudi Arabian, the public event was one of the icons of Boston and the oldest annual marathon in the country. The explosions were not that powerful and there were 2 in a row one after another.

My point is, this was meant to be a scare tactics type terrorist attack to crate mass panic and confusion. Also for common people and something for conspiracy nuts to go all over for, they made it look like it could be anyone for any reason whatsoever from north Korean terrorists to domestic ones. As for why an event like the Marathon? I guess to turn the attention away from ideas that it could be a political terrorist attack.
Basically it seemed to be engineered to point at every direction to stall the investigation and create debate around the event as to who and why.

Also because it happened on US soil, the forst terrorist attack since 9-11 it attracted a lot of attention from all over the world which has its own opinions and speculations. (which it probably is)

my point above (about cutting military budget) is, (i may not know the exact facts) there seems to be some unseen conflict withing the US government. Ant even tho Obama has no power over these decisions he definatley advocated for cutting the military budget and obviously there are people within the US government who don't want that. I was hinting at the idea that it could be related to some internal conflict within the US government or something to gain public support for and stir up patriotic feelings which it did successfully.

this kind of terror act with a political motivation is nothing new they ve been happening for a while and not just US uses them. Russia is a good example of this type of usage.

if it was a genuine terrorist attack from a domestic or foreign terrorist with a purpose, They would probably drive a dump truck full of explosives into the fed reserve or something.

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Posted: 17th Apr 2013 04:38 Edited at: 17th Apr 2013 04:38
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Quote: "The suspect they caught is Saudi Arabian"

He's just a witness who is currently being treated at a hospital, with guards to protect him from the inevitable danger after this event (due to his race, that is).

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Quote: "In US, yes, but not in the world."

Yes, I thought I had put "in the US in my comment".

Quote: "I think it was North Korea, but who knows?"

I think there's a difference between picking names out of a hat and looking at past events to try and work out who the most likely culprits are. Speculating makes the conversation interesting and directs it away from the actual explosion/deaths/injuries, which isn't a very pleasant discussion.

Maybe it was N Korea, maybe that was the product of their nuclear weapons program.


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now that i think about it. Terrorism is pretty much an instrument of politics if you think about it. so it was kinda dumb of me to speculate that it is probably a political terror attack because it is one.

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Quote: "Precisely."


I guess if you want to pick the definition for terrorism as being "any cause of fear" then you can, it's not at all useful to label any event as it though. Governments and police will use something along the lines of "violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives," which was what I assumed everyone meant by it.

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Quote: "He's just a witness who is currently being treated at a hospital, with guards to protect him from the inevitable danger after this event (due to his race, that is)."


It is a shame that this is the reality of how people react. Two men were also pulled off a flight sometime after this happened all because they spoke Arabic, which was enough to cast suspicion by passengers. The police also got consent from this witness to search his apartment, which I don't think they did to anyone else.

Yet, the vast majority of recent mass crimes and devastation in this country has been from plain, isolated Americans (unaffiliated with any terrorist groups). The Sandy Hook shootings that took the lives of 20 children and six adults, the Aurora theater shootings that took the lives of 12 and injured nearly 60 others, etc...
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I often see in the news other, much worse cases, about shooting at schools, with more dead victims, teenagers. Why are they passing by without any discussion? Because it's not terrorism so it's not "interesting"?

P.S. just searched GC for "shooting", 1 result.

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This is tragic, and something I am so glad I wasn't there to witness. I couldn't imagine being trapped in an event like this.

That said, it's interesting to see how people are more galvanised to avenge a relative handful of American deaths, rather than the tens of thousands in Syria as Al-Qaeda backed rebels fight the totalitarian regime.

I mean, am I the only person looking at the two incidents, and feeling there might be the need to shift our collective attention, a little?
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Quote: "I often see in the news other, much worse cases, about shooting at schools, with more dead victims, teenagers. Why are they passing by without any discussion? Because it's not terrorism so it's not "interesting"?

P.S. just searched GC for "shooting", 1 result."


Why havent you made threads about them?


Quote: "This is tragic, and something I am so glad I wasn't there to witness. I couldn't imagine being trapped in an event like this.

That said, it's interesting to see how people are more galvanised to avenge a relative handful of American deaths, rather than the tens of thousands in Syria as Al-Qaeda backed rebels fight the totalitarian regime.

I mean, am I the only person looking at the two incidents, and feeling there might be the need to shift our collective attention, a little?"


Why mourn one more than the other though? Both are equally as sad to be honest - in my world, atleast - there's no scale to how tragic death is - or atleast, it doesnt become more tragic in numbers - just more massive.

However, it does become more touching the closer it is to heart - for example, i would feel more scared or furious about the incidents happening close to sweden - than in america, because it's a lot more relative to me - and easier to grasp.



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Posted: 18th Apr 2013 00:48 Edited at: 18th Apr 2013 00:49
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Quote: "I often see in the news other, much worse cases, about shooting at schools, with more dead victims, teenagers. Why are they passing by without any discussion? Because it's not terrorism so it's not "interesting"?

P.S. just searched GC for "shooting", 1 result."


Quote: "Why havent you made threads about them?"


I've always wondered why TGC never created a forum specifically for "General News and Discussion" which would open the doors for discussion of all non-technical topics, all other sites with forums seem to have such a spot. In fact, just renaming and rewording this board would do the trick and make it more inviting for such conversations.

The very nature of how TGC has labeled the forums makes people reluctant to post any topic that is not technology related. This is the closest board that we have for doing so, and it is called "Geek Culture" with the caption "for all geek / tech culture related threads not specific to game making." There is obviously more to the world than geek and tech culture, but no official outlet for such banter exists here.
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Quote: "I've always wondered why TGC never created a forum specifically for "General News and Discussion" which would open the doors for discussion of all non-technical topics, all other sites with forums seem to have such a spot. In fact, just renaming and rewording this board would do the trick and make it more inviting for such conversations.

The very nature of how TGC has labeled the forums makes people reluctant to post any topic that is not technology related."



The biggest problem is most likely the fact that we're not allowed to discuss politics - or anything around that - which i believe may cause people to post things like this. because it will most likely trail.


At any rate - i do believe you have a point in this though - I do believe naming it "geek culture" is making people a tiny bit reluctant to post things unrelated - but I must say - i would rahter have 10 posts about technology and one post about other news - than the other way around



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TGC should create a new board that uses slightly modified AUP rules, allowing for discussions of this kind of stuff. That's a feature I'd love to see.

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I think the present rather "grey area" state of things is about right. This is a Game Programming site and that should be the main focus of all the boards. That said there are obviously events in the wider world, such as this thread's topic, which warrant some sort of comment and I suspect many of us would feel uneasy if we couldn't comment at all.
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Quote: "I think it was North Korea, but who knows?"

I think it's the canadians!

But in regards to my previous comment, I'm too used to thinking 'terrorist' as militant group of another country. But you're right, anyone who's intention is to invoke fear in a population is a terrorist.

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I think it's good how this board is much more active than the others - separating it into two will just mean there's no board for real-time discussion.

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There's no way TGC would open up a board specifically for political debate/discussion. We Mods do NOT have that kind of time to moderate it.

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Its also completely pointless in a forum dedicated to game design, escalates quickly and all it needs is one troll to summon a major flame war.

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If anyone else remembers, this board used to be called something like General Discussion. Rich renamed it to Geek Culture many years ago for this exact reason; he doesn't want this to be a site full of political and religious flamewars.


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So far I think this thread has stayed pretty calm.

But if you like, we could make it more geek related.

So lets discuss designing facial recognition software that will automatically scan boston's photos on the internet to find potential suspects!

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Quote: "Why mourn one more than the other though? Both are equally as sad to be honest - in my world, atleast - there's no scale to how tragic death is - or atleast, it doesnt become more tragic in numbers - just more massive."


Noone's doing anything about the Syrians...the G8 met up to twiddle thumbs and make "grave" statements about it and North Korea. I'm sure both felt it.

I wouldn't mind a TGC Fire Pit board which essentially operates as a fire-and-forget trash can for all the boards noone wants or needs.

Also isn't it saddening when you watch the news and people started to amass the longest list of factions it could have been. I'm not sure if its paranoia or if there are genuinely that many different people who hate Americans/want to kill people/don't much deserve life.

However, I think it's PETA. Just wait for the poetically presented link to how the Monster Hunter Tri game is just as bad. Like that Pokemon fiasco.
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Quote: "Like that Pokemon fiasco."


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New explosion at Texas: 5 to 15 may be dead, 160 injured.

I wanted to post a comment, but Google Translator... just look at the screenshot:



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Wow, that's pretty weird...

Looks like the US are having a bad week. But I guess this one is a bit better since it was an accident and not someone targeting and trying to kill people.
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FBI has shared pictures of the two suspects they are looking for, claiming they planted the backpacks shortly before the explosions.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/photos
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Augh, I wish it could be like in CSI, when they can zoom in dang near infinitely and somehow recreate the detail, so that we could make out those faces better. Surely they could do a better job than that?

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