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bitJericho
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 04:52 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2013 04:52
Quote: "Wine is free and open source if I recall? If so, Microsoft can't sue them. Similar to how MS can't sue the organization that maintains Open Office."


You can sue someone even if they are doing something for free/non-profit. If wine, for example, infringed a MS patent, MS could sue them.

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 05:14
Ah, I was totally unaware of that... Well I'm sure Open Office infringes a crap load of their patents, so why don't they get sued? Or are those patents just expired?
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 09:08
Can't answer your question, but it's kind of common sense that if you do something, infringing on copyright, trademarks or patents - for free, then you can indeed get in trouble... not likely - as most people wont see you as a real threat, but some people may sue you anyhow.



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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 09:23
Yeah, I remember TES vs Scrolls; Tim Langdell and his "edge" insanity.

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 09:26
I was always under the impression that for example, if MS wanted to sue Open Office, they could only obtain from the organization money it gained via Open Office.

So this means a homeless person could be sued for giving away free lemonade that a Walmart near him sells?

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 11:46
Quote: "So this means"

There are too many USA precedents to sue for anything you want. You just need a better lawyer than your opponent.

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 12:58
Unfortunately, that seems about right.

And when I say "can you sue" I mean, "can you successfully sue".

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 14:01
Quote: "And when I say "can you sue" I mean, "can you successfully sue"."



Eeeyup.
Copyright, trademark and patents are all stuff that are illegal to infringe on - wether using it for freeware or commercial - it is still illegal.

For example - i could not go to a webbsite like Deviantart, take a ref sheet for a character, make it in 3d and use in my free game - that is copyright infringement and I could, very well get sued - successfully so, for it.



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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 14:23
Hmmm... I find that a tad unfortunate, it takes away a lot of freedom from people who wanna develop free stuff. But I totally agree with the prevent damages to the IP holder side of the law. I can't have my cake and eat it too!
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 14:34
no it doesnt... it makes sense - If i make something, it does NOT mean people are entitled to use it =P



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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 14:42 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2013 14:42
By definition it does take away freedom, similarly to how laws take away the freedom to murder. But again, I agree with it.
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 14:56
no laws take away freedom - you are always free to do as you wish, likewise - people are free to counteract to your will



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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 15:53
I would call Wine an interpretor. Yes it is "emulating" Windows in a sense, but not in the specific sense that a SNES or BBC Micro emulator "emulates".

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The Wilderbeast
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 20:31
@DBD

There's been a lot in the media recently about software patent trolls, and hopefully we will see a shift in public opinion. Most notably New Zealand has made it considerably more difficult to file loose, generic pure-software patents.

If there's one thing which grinds my gears, it's ridiculous software patents and NSA's / GHCQ's invasive surveillance program.

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2013 20:50
I agree with you! I think it would be nice to have a completely separate, purpose designed branch of the patent system designed specifically for modern day technology patents; the current patent systems simply do not work with today's technology.

Personally although I prefer privacy, I have nothing to hide and really don't care significantly about the NSA. However, it's a slippery slope; if they can do this, what else can they do? When surveillance programs begin imprisoning people for uploading TV shows to YouTube, while illegal, that's when I'll start having a dead serious issue with the surveillance.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2013 01:45 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2013 01:45
I think a lot of people who say they have nothing to hide are not thinking about this properly. I'm not going to go into too much detail because I feel like this thread has been completely derided, but...



Hopefully this won't earn me a slap.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2013 01:49 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2013 01:50
Open office was originally based on StarOffice (Oracle Corporation) who released the code as open source years ago. Open Office is now based on and using code donated by IBM (Lotus Symphony) as well. All patent issues would have been handled by Oracle or IBM years ago. It is getting hard to keep up with who's code is being used where anymore.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2013 05:26
Quote: "So this means a homeless person could be sued for giving away free lemonade that a Walmart near him sells?"


Yes, if he stole the lemons.

What you are thinking about are company structures where the company finances are separate from the individual founder's finances. That "wall" can be tore down in court if there's intentional illegal activity.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2013 05:30
Ah, gotcha!

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Posted: 11th Jul 2013 05:43
It was a success! Leadwerks is coming to Linux!

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Posted: 11th Jul 2013 10:07
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