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Phaelax
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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 00:41
Hmm... Original Road Rash games (1-3) were pretty harmless, comparing to modern gore games. No guns, no blood, no death. And it is still very fun to play! In this game biker shoots, cuts throat of the other biker with blade. Purposeless violence. Sad. I would not buy this game.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 00:41 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 00:45
Good grief, they just about got past their finance target. Phew. My heart could not deal with just 1% extra over the minimum fund.

Quote: "Purposeless violence. Sad. I would not buy this game."


True. Personally, I stopped talking about such attributes in games and movies because talking about how purposeless something is doesn't stop it from making more money than me and my extended family; now I just look at the nonsense and observe how interesting people are.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 00:51
Meh - could be fun, purposeless violence IS often fun in video games... mostly because most video games consist of this - wether the end goal is to save the world or not, most violence is not NEEDED, but thrown in there anyway - just to keep you awake.



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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 00:56
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It is racing after all. Have you played original games?

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 01:04 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 01:05
There was plenty violence in the original games. You had chains, pipes and bats and things to hit the other bikers with. It may not be quite as visceral, but that's as much to do with the limitations of the technology than anything else.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 01:07
I did play the original games... and to be fair - i only played it because violence is fun, and racing - on motorbikes are fun... and I was young and this was borderline to what my parents thought okay x)



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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 01:29
Quote: "limitations of the technology"

Nah, it's not the reason.

My opinion is that violence should be were it is need to be, and in proper amount. And of course, it should be as low as possible. No extra. I could barely accept shooting in Road Rash, but slicing the throat... it's out of the bounds! In this game, of course.

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Quote: "My opinion is that violence should be were it is need to be, and in proper amount"

Have you ever watched looney toons? Those are full of violence. So I'm guessing you're against children cartoons?

I think there's a new barbie shopping game coming out for ya, cause I have a hard time thinking of any game that doesn't have some kind of violence.

Road rash was always more than just a racing game from the start. You take violence out of games and all this industry is left with is pong.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 05:24
I don't know what's with all the downing on this one. I *loved* the Road Rash games growing up, excluding Beyond Oasis, they were my most played on the Genesis. and if this manages to modernize the fun I had playing it as a kid, I'm excited for this one.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 09:52 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 09:53
@Phaelax
Please don't cut off the words from my post to change their meaning.

Road Rash is a racing with close combat and melee weapons (edit: no blades). Plus oil and spray cans. Dirty tricks, nothing more. If you played the game you should remember, that police stop bikers only for "street racing". In the new game it will be murdering. Feel the difference.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 10:28 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 10:29
Some of these responses are very strange imo.

This is not a remake of Road Rash, these guys never made Road Rash. Their game is very similar so it would be silly for them not to make the comparison, of course Road Rash has influenced this game a huge amount.

They are under no obligation to make their game with exactly the same amount of violence as Road Rash.

I guess you guys are ok with GTA but because there is a race element here violence is not allowed? Very strange position to take if you ask me.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 11:19
Isn't pointless violence, the only type of violence we see in games?!

It's not like there's a moral compass with games, killing prostitutes in GTA or shooting terrorists in COD, it's the same thing - it's all pointless, and that's the point!

Would we actually want justifiable violence in games. Personally I think that the more outlandish the violence, the safer it is, the further it is from realism the better.

Road Rash fans, at least the ones that I know, loved the game for it's violence, it's racing but if the other player/rider annoys you, you can smash them in the teeth with a chain. It's not like anyone cares much about the lack of motorcycle racing games - the genre needs more - car games have polygon counts, bike games have brutal violence. I think it all works out in the end somehow, people tend to get the game they want - the racing genre is catered for pretty well on all platforms.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 12:19
Quote: "Isn't pointless violence, the only type of violence we see in games?!

It's not like there's a moral compass with games, killing prostitutes in GTA or shooting terrorists in COD, it's the same thing - it's all pointless, and that's the point!

Would we actually want justifiable violence in games. Personally I think that the more outlandish the violence, the safer it is, the further it is from realism the better."


'While I do agree, most violence in games ARE pointless - I would like to pop in and say that I - atleast, personally would like to see more justifiable violence - enough that that.. is - for me personally veery hard to achieve, but I do believe that that might give much bigger immersion to some people, atleast - in certain kind of games. - Games that are meant to immerse you in it's world.



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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 14:17
Quote: "This is not a remake of Road Rash, these guys never made Road Rash."

True. They have no rights on Road Rash title.
Quote: "They are under no obligation to make their game with exactly the same amount of violence as Road Rash."

True. But can I be disappointed by violence style of this game?
Quote: "it's racing but if the other player/rider annoys you, you can smash them in the teeth with a chain."

Smash, not slice the throat with a blade, that's what I am talking about. Smash to knock out from bike.

Ok. To be exact, I don't like guns, blades and barbed wire bats in this game. In my opinion of RR lover they are not suit the original spirit of RR.

Also Dan Geisler, RR 1-3 creator, said that he would like to make new RR game with the Kickstarter.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 14:18
Quote: "Smash, not slice the throat with a blade, that's what I am talking about. Smash to knock out from bike."


You do realize both of these can be equally as lethal.. right?



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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 14:21 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 14:23
My issue with this Road Rash game is its logic and physics; that these bikers should be more concerned with racing and staying on their bikes; winning the race and bringing home the beacon to achieve some type of tactical meaningful goal. I just can't see the point of getting on a motorcycle to beat up somebody; you can do that anyway without the vehicle. And the physics, there are many bike games that feature unrealistic jumps that bother me, but to also wield a sword with one hand on the handle bar and take such risks at such heights without even a bike helmet on is quite an interesting idea of logic.

Anyway, it is fun I guess, that is what counts for a game. Not everybody needs to like it. It is not like it is going to sell 5 million copies, no chance!

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 14:28 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 14:35
Quote: "You do realize both of these can be equally as lethal.. right?"

In the RR world it was clearly "safe", biker can't continue the race only if his bike is destroyed.

Quote: "there are many bike games that feature unrealistic jumps that bother me,"

Wild Thing 2000.


IMO the best move in all RR games is to kick your rivals off the bike with single precise kick.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 14:40 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 14:42
Some day, games will be virtual reality. Killing people will look totally real. When do we decide that we are getting too close to violence? Personally, I refuse to go paint-balling. Whereas a biking animation is not so bad.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 15:44 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 15:46
Quote: "When do we decide that we are getting too close to violence?"

Violence is a best thing to blow off steam. We need violence. But I really love peaceful Driver game series where is impossible to knock down a pedestrian. And also I love Carmageddon were you can squash them. We don't need violence always and everywhere.

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Quote: "Violence is a best thing to blow off steam. We need violence. But I really love peaceful Driver game series where is impossible to knock down a pedestrian. And also I love Carmageddon were you can squash them. We don't need violence always and everywhere."


Now you're just contradicting yourself. How can this game be soooo terribly wrong in your eyes, yet you love a game where you drive over innocent people for fun? Knifing your opponent who's trying to do the same to you is wrong, but running over children in the street is ok?

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 18:49
it's SOOOO wrong because it's not an exact copy of the old games, and they are experimenting with new stuff.



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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 22:13
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No, I am not contradicting. Your logic is binary - if you love meat, would you put meat in your tea? I guess, yes.
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Don't you say that I am wrong because I don't liked experimental gameplay moments?

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Is the meat free?

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 22:21 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 22:24
I love how mr Handy says one thing in one post, then goes on to say something completely contradictory in another. How very quaint.

Back-peddling must be so much fun!

EDIT: The game looks pretty fun! Kinda like a mix between GTA-style, non-sensical violence, and the best of any racing game... how could that go wrong? If it funding wasn't over I'd probably have backed it.

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Quote: "Is the meat free?"

No, it sentenced to life.

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Quote: "Don't you say that I am wrong because I don't liked experimental gameplay moments?"


Is not what I said.. I said thet you think it's wrong what theyre doing with the game - not that YOU are wrong..



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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 23:15
Quote: "these bikers should be more concerned with racing and staying on their bikes... I just can't see the point of getting on a motorcycle to beat up somebody; you can do that anyway without the vehicle... but to also wield a sword with one hand on the handle bar and take such risks at such heights without even a bike helmet on is quite an interesting idea of logic."

It's absurd, it is supposed to be absurd. I'm fine with the ridiculous violence because the whole situation is ridiculous. These are not fleshed out characters with heart-warming back-stories; they are cartoon thugs who perform crazy stunts and beat the snot out of each other for entertainment. There might as well be screen captions saying "POW!" and "SMACK!" etc.

The only times I'm bothered by violence in media is when it is either portrayed in a way that doesn't suit the tone of the narrative/game, or if it is drawn out and needlessly gratuitous.

I was watching 28 Weeks Later a while back and was getting quite into it.
There was a lot of detail in the post-apocalyptic world that was believable and made you relate to the characters: families trying to find each other, people struggling to adapt to the new world. (pretty gross spoilers)


Compare that to The Deer Hunter, the most harrowing film I've ever seen: I sat in silence as the end credits scrolled and felt like a friend had just died. That film uses violence very specifically and intentionally.

Has anyone seen Deathproof and Planet Terror? I much preferred Planet Terror because it was sillier, so the violence also seemed silly. Deathproof had quite a dark and twisted undertone to it and the violence felt more sinister and real; but it was still a good film.

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Posted: 19th Jun 2013 23:33 Edited at: 19th Jun 2013 23:36
Quote: "I said thet you think it's wrong what theyre doing with the game"

Oh. But I would not say that they are wrong! Also, when the game will be released, I would definetly watch gameplay videos and, who knows, maybe I'll like it and buy it. I just said my first opinion based on the teaser. If you read my posts, I "complain" only on some weapons, not the whole game. Relax, everything is fine

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Posted: 20th Jun 2013 11:01
The only 28 film I liked was 28 Days Later, it has this really dark atmosphere to it, even though it's set mostly in daylight.

I've only watched Planet Terror once, but I've seen Deathproof 3 or 4 times - Deathproof makes me cringe a lot, some bits are trully stupid, especially with the weird sort of attitude Tarantino has about women and gay men. But I still like it, and Machete which is kinda related, and Hobo with a shotgun. They should really put all 4 movies in a box set - and make the cover look like the plastic boxes we used to get with video tape rentals, for the sake of nostalgia .

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Quote: "The only 28 film I liked was 28 Days Later, it has this really dark atmosphere to it, even though it's set mostly in daylight."


indeed, the other ones are kind of meh - well i havent seen weeks.. but months


I've seen Planet Terror 3 times, I do like that one ^^



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I don't like Planet Terror, but I like Deathproof. You can't beat Tarrentino at his own game.

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Quote: "indeed, the other ones are kind of meh - well i havent seen weeks.. but months"


Months? As far as I'm aware there's no 28 Months Later yet.

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Posted: 20th Jun 2013 19:47 Edited at: 20th Jun 2013 19:47
I'm intrigued to see what 28 Millennia Later will be like.

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Quote: "Months? As far as I'm aware there's no 28 Months Later yet.
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maybe.. xD i was uncertain :3 but a quick google did suggest that..

well - then i've seen both, and the second one started out great - but quickly fell into "average zombie film"



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Posted: 20th Jun 2013 20:12
It was 28 Days Later, followed by 28 weeks later.

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yeah - the first, days later - are great, the second - weeks later, I did not at all like



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