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NIlooc223
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What is your guys opinion on death and people being afraid of it? I was laying in bed the other night thinking about and came to a realization that may be true for other people. I am honestly not scared of death. I am scared of life because life always ends at some point and you never know when. On top of that you never know what is going to happen in your life and you are very limited to what you can control around you.

What do you guys think?
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I plan on living forever.... or die trying!

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NIlooc223
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Hhaha I see what you did there
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Oh I'm REALLY afraid of death, like REALLY afraid



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Posted: 17th Jan 2014 07:13
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Quote: "On top of that you never know what is going to happen in your life and you are very limited to what you can control around you."


Thats the beauty of it, isn't it? There is no control...I don't believe in it and personally concider desiring it a weakness.

Fear of death, huh? A topic humanity is on about since its existence...don't you think thats a bit too much of a "wax philosophy" topic for a game-making forum?



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If we didn't fear death, we'd all be dead. Fear of death is a natural instinct that prevents us from running into the road and eating the ice from our freezers. It got us this far!

People who don't fear death tend to end up dead before their time, or physically wrecked, like those guys who dive off mountains wearing wing suits - a lot of them end up in bits. That's not a sport, that's Russian roulette with some jagged rocks. People who do those extreme sports all have a bit of a screw loose I think. There's always the concern that if you tell people you aren't afraid of death, they'll just reply ''Prove it!''

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Posted: 17th Jan 2014 11:03
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... there's a fairly humongous difference between 'not being afraid of death' and 'actively seeking it'

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Yup, but prooving it is where the trouble starts

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Posted: 17th Jan 2014 12:03 Edited at: 17th Jan 2014 17:55
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Death is the only certainty in life. Not just death, but rather 'ending'. Nothing can exist indefinitely. I believe that even this universe has an end. That end most likely -- and most logically -- connects to the beginning. I will avoid digressing into my hypothesis about everything, lest I end up labeled 'largely looney' (+6pts alliteration).

Anyway, essentially the fear of death is more than a mere survival instinct in humankind. Fear of death is also born of ego. The thought that our 'being' could end is both repulsive and frightening. That is, in my opinion and not that of any TGC members, why religion appeared: Because it allows us to live without fear of dying (although in practice it's no so clear-cut).

Strangely, despite death being the only constant, it is also feared becase it is an unknown (well, after death at least).

Even I fear death, although mine is 100% egotistical in that I fear dying without completing my creative endeavours. If given the choice of living 10 more years but completing everything or 40 but completing only half, I'd take the former. So your fear is not abnormal and those without fear have some form of abnormal circumstance.

Some pragmatic advice about coping: There's nothing you can do to prevent it so stop worrying about it. Honestly there's no point. After thousands of years, humankind has made no real progress. So, like I said: Just live. Live life to death

PS: I know I may have walked a fine line, and perhaps put one foot over it, mentioning religion. To all religious folk: I mean no disrespect and I shall not make any further comments on the topic. If you take exception to my statement, consider that I automatically conceded. Thanks.

Edit: I really wish those characters would stop being escaped twice "\'" != "\\\'"

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Posted: 17th Jan 2014 18:58
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Quote: " eating the ice from our freezers"

Whats wrong with eating freezer ice?



Quote: " People who do those extreme sports all have a bit of a screw loose I think"

Between my extreme sports and joining the military, I then suppose it's a miracle I've made it to my 30s

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Posted: 17th Jan 2014 21:44
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Quote: "eating the ice from our freezers"

*crunch* *crunch* whatcha sayin'? *crunch* mmm...ice *drool*

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Quote: "Quote: " eating the ice from our freezers"
Whats wrong with eating freezer ice?"

I was also wondering this. Though we're both from Ohio, so that might explain it.

I think I'm more afraid of not being remembered than actually the whole death part. Strap a couple D's on my urn and shoot me into space and I'll be content with death.

My gf wants to be cryogenically frozen...she's already saving up...weirdo.

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Quote: "My gf wants to be cryogenically frozen...she's already saving up...weirdo."

In what age? You know, long live for an old lady is not very useful.

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Quote: "eating the ice from our freezers"


There are people who don't? You'll be telling me next that it's not normal to lick windows.

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Quote: "it's not normal to lick windows"

No it's not. Windows are cleaned with chemicals.

edit: or you mean Microsoft Windows? Then I know a company that doing it for many years...

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Quote: "Windows are cleaned with chemicals."
Such as water!

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Quote: "Death is the only certainty in life"

And Taxes


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Quote: "Such as water!"

Or CCleaner!

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Pretty scared here.

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Quote: "My gf wants to be cryogenically frozen...she's already saving up...weirdo."


That is something I kinnda want, and kinnda don't at all want



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Posted: 18th Jan 2014 02:52 Edited at: 18th Jan 2014 02:56
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Quote: "eating the ice from our freezers."


As opposed to eating the ice from our ovens? Where else do you get ice? (Unless of course van b employs a team of slave runners to bring back fresh ice from above the permafrost in order to cool his beverages!)

edit: wait... *do* you?

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Death is only a minor condition.

I'm not particularly afraid for myself, since I've previously been in a state of non-existence - before I was conceived. It'll just be the same only different. I worry only about people that might mourn me.
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Quote: "I'm not particularly afraid for myself, since I've previously been in a state of non-existence"

But it's so nice existing ...

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NIlooc223
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Quote: "But it's so nice existing ..."


I would love to trade lives with you then. I would beg to differ. Not that I would end my life but I wouldnt mind a break. I swear non-stop thinking and issues and just it drives me to the point where the idea of being non-existent sounds peaceful.

This poem pretty much sums up how I feel.

The mind makes life so complicated
It’s like the thoughts in my head confiscated my life
I have no control over them like an involuntary blink
Which is ironic cause initially; I have the ability to think
But wait, does one exist without the mind?
Cause from time to time I have caught myself
Reading in between the lines at unnecessary times
I’m so tired of thinking
I have inflicted so much pain
From the cause and effects of my brain
I’m so tired of thinking
I have followed the wrong path before
And melted faulty elements in me like smores
I’m so tired of thinking
I have said so many words in the past with much thought
And still they come out of my esophagus wrong
Like Satan trynna sing St. Nicholas a song
I am so sick and tired of thinking
Yo on the real, this up here can either make you or break you
It sure broke me like I ran over by a still tree
Ya see, now that sounded stupid cause being clueless is easier than using this
Using your mind can’t be the beauty of life cause sometimes I think ugly
And there is something that forces crooked minds not to see straight
And when I find out what that is, won’t that be great
Cause when I do I’ll finally know why you can interpret two words, 50,000 ways
And why criminals don’t care about yesterday, tomorrow, or today
Sometimes when I go home to rest my dome I look in the mirror
and my mind starts to play tricks on me
And I convince myself to think things that will never happen,
See things that will never experience the light of day
Then my mind plunges me into a state of dismay
Why are there always two sides to a story?
One is exciting the other is boring
One side is blissful, the other can be detrimental
Why are there two sides of a coin?
One side is clean, the other can be dirty
One side will blossom your life, the other will get you smite
Why is love contrasted between light and dark?
Both in respect can blind my heart
I love the warm light and I hate the cold dark
So I jump to conclusions quick like I’m being hit by falling boulders
Seventeen years on Earth, please believe me,
I’m suffering from thinking fatigue
I’m tired of thinking
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I wouldn't call it peaceful .. I would call it nothing. You wouldn't feel anything - you wouldn't have any sense of awareness.

You wouldn't exist .. Let me share an unnecessarily long story about the last few years of my life...

I understand where you are coming from though ... When I was doing my degree I became so stressed and too many things were going through my head 24/7 I thought I would explode. I just wanted a break from everything ... much like you.
Started developing some anxiety issues and depression - won't go into any specific details about that.


It was only after a year that I had a startling realization: I kinda liked it. Having a million things to do, a million more things to learn, and a billion things to think about.

I just loved the progression of my life and the thought that I could make it as good as I wanted if I try my hardest. So I started succeeding as much as I could. Made a few crappy games/apps (which did better than I thought)
I got a kick ass job - 2 of them (after a lot of networking and combing my hair back). One at Microsoft where I have made a lot of friends, and one at the University I go to, which I just finished my first week.
Made more money than I've ever had in my life x 10.

Things finally are good - the more I work - the more I achieve - the happier I become.

Just an experience I thought I'd share... Things CAN get better.
Maybe I'm just too old now and sound like a parent giving advice but meh.. it's how I feel.

Point is ... I'm afraid of dying because at the moment I have control of what is happening around me. And I don't like the thought of that not being a possibility any more.

Best of luck to you though man.

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I also don't fear death but it's the process of dying that scares me. I hope that one day my body will just know when the time comes to switch off, and I wont even know about it. (Wait a bit longer though eh body, don't get any ideas!)

I often wonder what the point is of doing anything or learning anything if I'm just going to die at the end of it all. Sure, I can share my experiences and knowledge with others and help them live more fulfilling lives after I'm gone, but then ultimately there will be a greater end to life when our species becomes extinct, so what is the point in any of us doing anything?

This is a failing of the human mind, we are not very good at perceiving things and we can't comprehend nuance at all well. We can only see things as true or false, right or wrong, good or evil, living or dead, present or gone; we deal in absolutes even though nature constantly shows us that she does not deal in absolutes. We don't even have proper words for the phases between binary absolutes like life and death, we have words like "dying" but if someone is dying are they not also living? At what point does a person begin dying? Are we both living and dying from the moment we are born?

What makes the transient less valuable than the permanent? We have strange concepts of eternity and perfection that are really just our inability to perceive things in detail, we are rubbish at counting! When we hear that our sun was born four billion years ago it may as well have been there forever or since last Tuesday; would it make any difference to us to hear it was born three billion years ago or three million years ago or three hundred years ago?

I went through a dark patch in my life where I contemplated suicide every day, that changed my view of life and death. A strange thing happens when you ask yourself that same question every day, the meaning changes, you begin to realise that every day you are choosing life over death.


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I apparently lost my mind a few years back. There, I died numerous times and discovered that as soon as you die there is a transition period of enlightenment and then you are slotted back into some random time and life...rarely with any knowledge of having died(I remembered, this is where the trouble started), if you are attached to your current being then it will rewind and change time to accommodate that being existing past its apparent death. There is much philosophy that i gleaned from that whole experience, more than I can share without causing general confusion...
so... afraid of death? not afraid-afraid. I avoid death at all turns, but when the inevitable occurs I will welcome the process with open arms. If life could end, the universe would end, and would have ended, long before we all existed. ends and beginnings...knots tied in string and the likes. There is only one thing that actually logically exists.

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I died in a dream once. It was one of those endlessly falling dreams, only this time instead of the dream fading away or me waking up, I hit the ground and the died then I woke up. I was shocked and confused at the same time, took me a minute to realize where I even was. First thought was Hey I never reached the bottom of that chasm before. Secondly, those statements claiming you die in life if you die in a dream are false because I just proved them so.

Quote: "we have words like "dying" but if someone is dying are they not also living?"

They are alive, but I'd say dying refers to moving towards a known death and away from life.

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I am interested in the psychology of dreams but whenever I look something up I run into several wacko sites where crazies think their dreams predict the future. It\\\'s really annoying actually because I sometimes have really interesting/bizarre dreams and I\\\'d like to know what is going on in my head that causes them. I sometimes have dreams set in really detailed places that I don\\\'t recognize or with people I don\\\'t recognize or objects that when I wake up I am surprised that I cannot describe them, but they all seem authentic in the dream.

I once had a dream that I was in the body of a French assassin in the early 1900\\\'s. I went to a fancy hotel where my mark was staying, I got into his room and garrotted him. Then I heard the maids coming down the hall and I panicked and threw him out of the window. There were screams from downstairs (there was a lounge with big patio windows so it was clearly visible) but it distracted the maids and they went rushing off. I came downstairs and for some reason the police were already there. One of the officers asked for my ID but I knew they would arrest me if they knew who I was, I must have been wanted, so I tried to run but they wrestled me to the ground. I could feel one of them twisting my arm behind my back and his knee was digging into my spine, it really hurt! It was a very odd dream because I didn\\\'t feel like I was me, I didn\\\'t look like myself and I didn\\\'t seem to have any control over what I was doing, I was just watching this all happen through the eyes of this French assassin. I\\\'ve probably patched it up into a more coherent narrative than it really was in the dream. I wonder what made me dream of that, was I feeling guilty about something or worried that I was going to become trapped? I don\\\'t know.

I sometimes have really short dreams too, one where I was brushing my teeth with some tar-like substance and making my teeth all black. Weird!

[off-topic] Ugh! Had to edit my post several times to find the "bad language" which was the word s-w-a-n-k-y as in "s.w.a.n.k.y hotel", really these language filters cause more problems than they solve. My post had no references to masturbation and what would you tell a child if they had the same issue? All these filters do is muddy the waters of polite conversation when some letters happen to match up with rude words. I remember trying to talk on playstation network, that not only has an extensive dictionary of naughty words I'd never even heard of before but it also picked up on transformed versions of those words, so pretty much any message you typed had at least one starred out word in it when it was totally innocent.


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Looks like NIlooc223 suffers from a typical case of cerebral diarrhea.

Perhaps you should see someone about this, if you find nothing to ease your mind/stop thinking you will end up or already have developed psychopathological issues... you'll go insane

Most regular Psychotherapists will be able to help you with this though.

Your poem describes your feelings very well! ...but it also really shows that you are seventeen



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Your edit got escaped x2. Btw I never even noticed filters, but lol, had some fun with that. Really is poor. Shi...take mushrooms are bad language.

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Not to mention non-English doesn't get censored.

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I'm not afraid of death, but I'm afraid of how I'll die. I just want it to be painless!

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Eh, not really. I mean, sure I don't like the idea, and when my time comes I'll probably be terrified, but there's two possibilities, A: there's an afterlife - great, or B: there's not not an afterlife - oh well, it's not like I'll be missing anything.

I'm terrified of my loved ones dying though, much more so than my own death.

Of course there's also possibility C: in which the afterlife is a self-aware darkness. I don't believe in that though, but the thought is terrifying.

I hope I haven't strayed into religion enough to violate the AUP.


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Quote: "Of course there's also possibility C: in which the afterlife is a self-aware darkness. I don't believe in that though, but the thought is terrifying."


this - soooo much this



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Death does scare me, but only for two reasons.

1 - The way it happens. If I had a choice, I would choose to die of old age, by going to bed late one night, falling asleep, and then just not waking up. Simple, peaceful, and probably the best way to do it. However, I'm TERRIFIED that it will be from some stupid disease, like cancer, Parkinson's, or some other thing.

2 - The unknown. Although I am a believer of God, I of course still don't know what actually happens after death. I did have an interesting NDE* once which sort of showed me what it might be like, but that doesn't mean I'm not still a bit afraid of it.




*Although it was an NDE, it occurred under unusual circumstances. I wasn't sick, I wasn't about to die in a hospital, it was a normal night. I was in my bed, and felt like I just fallen asleep, when all of a sudden I heard this noise and my bedroom wall suddenly had what can only be described as a very plain-looking door. Curious, I got up, opened the door, and found a plain-looking staircase. In a one-story house. So, I followed it up, and suddenly I was in this very awesome and amazing looking room full of marble pillars, beautifully adorned walls, and tons of candles. Looking out of a large window, I saw a beautiful world outside. While I was looking around and taking in my surroundings, a man approached me and simply asked "What are you doing here?". I replied that I didn't know, I had simply followed the staircase that suddenly appeared behind a door in my room. He suddenly looked worried and told me to follow him, and he said "You're not supposed to be here yet, I'm not sure what happened. "

I asked him where "here" was, and he wouldn't give a direct answer, he just repeated that I wasn't supposed to be there yet. Then he took me to what looked like a desk, where a man was sitting in a chair. I was told to talk to him and everything would be ok. So, I asked what was going on, but from that moment on, I don't remember what was said, the memory suddenly skips forward back to me at the top of the staircase. They told me to go back down, and I did so. The moment I placed my hand on the doorknob, I felt like my mind rushed back into my body, and I realized I was cold and not breathing. The moment I realized that, I coughed, inhaled more deeply than I ever had before in my life, opened my eyes, and saw that I was back in my room. I couldn't believe how cold I felt, or how fast and hard my heart was suddenly pumping - as if I had been revived. It really freaked me out. To this day, I'm not sure what happened, but it was certainly a weird experience!


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I would like to at least reach 117 years old, so then I can have lived in 3 different centuries.

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Quote: "I would like to at least reach 117 years old, so then I can have lived in 3 different centuries."

That's a good puzzle. You are
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Fictional: I had an NDE as well. In mine, I woke to find my room was grey. I tried my door and it wouldn't budge. I pulled my curtains back to find a steel plate in place of my window. I ran to my closet to find something to pry the door open with. When I opened the closet door, though, I found a passage. At the end was a door. Beyond the door was a dark place that was identical to my room, save the chainlink floors and walls stained with blood and rust. "I'm home!" I smiled.
For those who missed it, that was a Silent Hill reference.

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