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Geek Culture / Why doesn\'t America use the Metric System?

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Clonkex
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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 03:45
Quote: "I think NSW is far more strict than QLD."


Indeed it is. As you approach the border to QLD, you start to notice everyone driving faster than you (and the limit). We joke about it, but QLD drivers really do drive further past the limit than NSW drivers.

Quote: "I think it's absolutely stupid and misses the point of having cameras in the first place."


So do lots of people, yet the cameras catch many thousands of people speeding regardless. Our roads must be full of idiots. And besides, they tend to put the cameras where they want people going more slowly (so, near an aged-care facility or a dangerous corner).

Quote: "Not sure why they don't just reduce the period to 6 months or so - if you can't drive well by then you probably shouldn't be on the road..."


Yeah, 3 years is definitely too long. 1 year at the most. At least in Australia we generally have a good attitude towards L- and P-platers; everyone overtakes eventually, but we normally wait until it's safe, and it's unusual for someone to tailgate a Learner, for example.

Quote: "France's streets are pretty relaxing. If you cross the border to luxemburg, you just feel like you entered a warzone because everybody just drives so civilised in france."


Luxemburg must be terrifying!! France is well-known to be a scary place to drive, and Luxemburg is worse?

Ah, I think I got those signs the wrong way around. I just realised you can actually see that the "Heavy Fines Loss of License" one is the last sign before the camera in the picture. So it comes last.

PHEW. THANK YOU CHROME. I just clicked Edit to change the order of the signs without posting this post and suddenly realised I'd just lost all this text. Luckily, if you're careful and just press Back and nothing else, Chrome seems to remember what you had written. Phew!

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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 04:02 Edited at: 31st Aug 2014 04:03
Quote: "Our roads must be full of idiots. And besides, they tend to put the cameras where they want people going more slowly (so, near an aged-care facility or a dangerous corner)."


True, but if the warnings were removed then people would generally try to drive more carefully everywhere, not just in places where they might get a fine.

Quote: "Luxemburg must be terrifying!! France is well-known to be a scary place to drive, and Luxemburg is worse?"


There are places known to be worse, such as Spain and Italy. Or if you want really scary, go to India or another developing country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 04:41 Edited at: 31st Aug 2014 04:42
The worst country is terrifying. The United States is 11.6 and 13.6, respectively.



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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 06:24
Quote: "I think it's absolutely stupid and misses the point of having cameras in the first place."


If you know there's a speed camera there, you will slow down. It's used in the UK to keep people at safe speeds in dangerous areas.
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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 06:44
Quote: "If you know there's a speed camera there, you will slow down"


Which means people who regularly speed won't be caught.
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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 06:51
Quote: "Which means people who regularly speed won't be caught."


That's what mobile speed cameras and highway patrol cars are for. Most highways in Australia are heavily patrolled and you'd be hard pushed to speed for very long without being caught.

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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 12:00
Quote: "Luxemburg must be terrifying!! France is well-known to be a scary place to drive, and Luxemburg is worse?
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I'm surprised that france is known for that

Yeah! Well, during rush hour, its acceptable otherwise. Very central europe. If you really want scary places to drive, try southern europe or an african city


Quote: "The worst country is terrifying."


Probably because 30% of Eritrea's inhabitants are tiger-people

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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 15:28
Quote: "I'm surprised that france is known for that"


France is known for lots of things: Bread sticks, romance, garlic, accordions, bicycles.... and scary driving

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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 19:57
Quote: "Why doesn't America use the Metric System?"


Because saying my car has a 440 sounds cooler than saying 1117.6!

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Posted: 31st Aug 2014 20:02 Edited at: 31st Aug 2014 20:03
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Thats not true either, all the french women I ever met just wanted my bread stick.


Quote: "bicycles"


Netherlands is where its at for that!

Quote: "Because saying my car has a 440 sounds cooler than saying 1117.6!"


Therefore you drive miles per hour... maaaaayyyylsss per hour. It just sounds ridicoulus.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2014 08:26 Edited at: 1st Sep 2014 08:29
Quote: "[quote=]"I find it neat that Australia warns you about upcoming speed cameras.""


I think it's absolutely stupid and misses the point of having cameras in the first place[/quote]
Actually I think you miss the point of speed cameras The official reason here in Aus is that they put them near high risk areas (where there have been a lot of crashes in the past), then put of a sign waring people of the speed camera. The result, drivers slow down to about 10 KM/h under the speed limit and [hopefully] don't crash.
Everybody accuses the government that it's about revenue raising, but if it were, why would they put the signs up?
Of course it could be a double bluff, putting the signs up so people can't accuse them of revenue raising

Also, here is NSW we have mobile speed cameras which don't have warning signs... All you'll see is a van parked on the side of the road ahead, then after you drive past there'll be a sign saying "Your speed has been checked"


EDIT: oh ok, now I read all the posts on the second page


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Posted: 9th Sep 2014 09:16
To answer the original question:

The US won't adopt metric because of the cost to replace every single road sign! In Canada when they adopted the metric system, many people were upset at the huge cost of changing every single sign. Old people in Canada still talk in imperial and they loathe the metric system. Grumpy farts.

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Posted: 9th Sep 2014 14:36
Quote: "Old people in Canada still talk in imperial and they loathe the metric system. Grumpy farts."


lol This is captured perfectly in that Corner Gas episode

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Tele-conference with an american customer:

AMERICAN: So, how many BTU's (British Thermal Units) does your product require?

ME (a brit): err...? It's 754 kilo-Watts.

AMERICAN IN THE BACKGROUND: Dude, I don't think the British use BTU's anymore.

A British Thermal Unit is a measure of power (or it might be energy) when talking about heat. Throughout the entire conversation I felt like I was fighting the last battle in the War of Indepence on the side of and on behalf of America, to help them throw off this last evil vestige of British colonialism.

As an aside, in the UK we still have road signs in miles, signs near major ports will also display kilometers. Some older engineers still use imperial units but hopefully they all be dead soon.

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Quote: " This is captured perfectly in that Corner Gas episode"


Must have missed that episode

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Posted: 10th Sep 2014 00:09
Quote: "but hopefully they all be dead soon."
Yeah.

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Posted: 14th Sep 2014 15:03 Edited at: 14th Sep 2014 15:10
Quote: ""Why doesn't America use the Metric System?""


Because almost everybody else on the planet uses the metric system, god dammit!



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Americans love a good comeback against all odds.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2014 06:48
Born in the US but traveled to many, many places around the world. I've spent time (summers usually) in Germany and Nordic countries as well.

I prefer using metric for small length measurements under just a few cm, as well as all liquid measurements. For most other things I prefer Imperial, especially the foot and mile.

Don't bother asking me why, I've no idea other than preference.


As for the aggressive/condescending/etc "why doesn't the US use metric?"...well, quite honestly, grow up and get over the fact that we don't. It's not harming you in any way, and if it really bothers you that much perhaps some psychotherapy is in order. Same goes the other way around as well.

If you're not the type who asks the question in a better-than-thou manner, I've no answer for you other than "we just do and it works for us".
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Posted: 16th Sep 2014 15:46
Quote: "As for the aggressive/condescending/etc "why doesn't the US use metric?"...well, quite honestly, grow up and get over the fact that we don't. It's not harming you in any way, and if it really bothers you that much perhaps some psychotherapy is in order. Same goes the other way around as well."


It's just pity.
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Posted: 16th Sep 2014 17:19
Quote: "well, quite honestly, grow up and get over the fact that we don't. It's not harming you in any way"


Not using the metric system isn't the end of the world, but it would be nice to be able to talk to americans about units without having to try and convert everything.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2014 17:24 Edited at: 16th Sep 2014 17:25
Quote: "It's not harming you in any way"

Except that any american game, movie etc ever - whenever they talk or mention distance, it's completly nonsense to me. or measuring or whatevs

Aand considering most media comes from US....



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Posted: 20th Sep 2014 17:23
I think imperial system is a form of opposing western influence. TV-s Screens, and (i am doing home repair currently) Standards for heating pipe sizes are all in the imperial system. i didnt know that what the guy told me was a 20mm/15mm pipe parts were all sold as 3/4th of an inch sized parts. Its a cultural projection of those who control the manufacturing.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2014 03:44
Quote: "I think imperial system is a form of opposing western influence. TV-s Screens, and (i am doing home repair currently) Standards for heating pipe sizes are all in the imperial system. i didnt know that what the guy told me was a 20mm/15mm pipe parts were all sold as 3/4th of an inch sized parts. Its a cultural projection of those who control the manufacturing."


That doesn't make any sense. If hanging on to the imperial system is a way of opposing Western influence, then America is oppose its own influences. America is Western influence.

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Posted: 21st Sep 2014 08:03
I think he meant oppressive

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Posted: 21st Sep 2014 12:32
Quote: "I think he meant oppressive"


Possibly, but I'm not sure that makes sense either

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Posted: 28th Sep 2014 02:45 Edited at: 28th Sep 2014 02:46
To my knowledge, the only command in DarkBasic Professional that uses absolute distance units as an argument uses imperial units rather than metric. Do you know which command?
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Quote: "Do you know which command?"


*whips open DBPro and start searching through help files*

Nope, can't find it.

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SET TEXT SIZE takes an argument in "points". A point is 1/72 of an inch.

Incidentally, the command is a sham and a delusion. DBP doesn't grasp the physical pixel height of your monitor, probably because Windows does not necessarily know it. The physical height of text with the same "point" setting from DBP will vary from monitor to monitor of different actual physical display sizes when running on the same full screen resolution.

I assume that the DBP command was a concession to the American market, such as the way DBP spells "oolor". How do metric nations measure the physical size of typeface?
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Posted: 28th Sep 2014 03:43
Quote: "SET TEXT SIZE takes an argument in "points". A point is 1/72 of an inch."


Oh I see.

Quote: "Incidentally, the command is a sham and a delusion. DBP doesn't grasp the physical pixel height of your monitor, probably because Windows does not necessarily know it. The physical height of text with the same "point" setting from DBP will vary from monitor to monitor of different actual physical display sizes when running on the same full screen resolution."


Surely this is the same in any word processing program as well? No program can know the actual size of your monitor, only the resolution.

Quote: "I assume that the DBP command was a concession to the American market, such as the way DBP spells "oolor". How do metric nations measure the physical size of typeface?"


Huh, interesting point (pun not intended). I've only ever used points for measuring typeface sizes because all word processing programs do. I'm not sure if there's some other standard used elsewhere.

Incidentally I've always thought it silly that they spelled it "color" when their primary market was the UK.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2014 04:47
Quote: "To my knowledge, the only command in DarkBasic Professional that uses absolute distance units as an argument uses imperial units rather than metric. Do you know which command?"


well, I use a lot of FPSC models as placeholders and the FPSC characters are generally 72 units to eye height. Which at one inch a unit, and to save mass rescaling, places player eye height at around 6 foot tall. I generally work off this for my scaling. So I guess I do work with imperial measurements after all.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2014 05:03
When I design a FPS game I always put eye-height at between 1.6 and 1.8 units, so I can work entirely in metric units.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2014 07:29
1/72 of an inch; where does such an arbitrary value come from??? That is why everyone else uses metric.

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Quote: "Incidentally I've always thought it silly that they spelled it "color" when their primary market was the UK."


I wouldn't think the UK is their primary market? One would think USA would be their biggest market.

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Because every version of BASIC ever uses "color."

Dark Java Dude: http://nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/cf_8.htm

The 1/72 measurement probably is related to the default PPI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_density

I doubt very much that DBP actually reads the PPI from the OS, and instead just went with 72 because that's TGC's standard mode of operation.

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Quote: "I was recently in China and was horrified as my taxi driver was weaving and swerving through high speed traffic whilst texting.(Texting here is on par with drink driving)"


Lucky you, In the city and on motorways my drivers casually drove against traffic, while smoking and talking on the phone... and on the mountain passes everybody for some reason thought they needed to do 40MPH around a corner... and 100MPH along straights...

Yes I nearly died a handful of times, one part including a waterfall and 15 head on collisions, there were 5 full on accidents [That I recall] along the route, this is no exaggeration...

You can guess I did not sleep the entire time... I however did on the way back figured if I was going to die, it best be in a dream lol

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lol it isn't the 70s, this is more applicable to US than CB radios.

Or more like, I'm too busy ,talking texting, drinking my Starbucks, while watching my 5 DVD screens to watch out for anyone around me, but it's OK I've got big suv/truck so I'll be OK, and just let them hit me! It's been a while since the last time i sued!

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Quote: "lol it isn't the 70s, this is more applicable to US than CB radios.

Or more like, I'm too busy ,talking texting, drinking my Starbucks, while watching my 5 DVD screens to watch out for anyone around me, but it's OK I've got big suv/truck so I'll be OK, and just let them hit me! It's been a while since the last time i sued!"


THAT'S more like it

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I think the more important question is, why does America use a non-logical date format? I could understand if it was dd/mm/yyyy or yyyy/mm/dd, but in the US they just seem to randomly start with the middle-sized quantity of time.

It'd be like writing minutes:hours:seconds.
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Quote: "It'd be like writing minutes:hours:seconds."
Well that wouldn't look all too strange, here in the US.

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the clock is currently
12:08:15

"Hey so you mean 8 minutes over 12?"
"nah, i meant 12 minutes over 8, gosh"



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I totally agree about the date weirdness. I do a lot of photo organizing and have them in folders by date, and the best way for me to sort them is YYYY-MM-DD... it's sortable and easy to find the dates I need! What is the logical reason for US going with MM-DD-YYYY? The thing I hate is that it has creeped into Canada and many Canadians write dates in the same way. Argh.

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I believe it has something to do with how the date is spoken, ie 27th of September 1977 is 27/09/77 whereas September the 27th 1977 would be 09/27/77. I have a freind mumbling on about it in TeamSpeak, cant say I know anything about it other than what he is saying makes some sense to me, although I am doing that thing where you pretend to listen then once in a while say "yeah" so as to sound like I`m interested.. perhaps Google may help here.
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2014 03:19
Quote: "The thing I hate is that it has creeped into Canada and many Canadians write dates in the same way. Argh."


Thankfully in Australia our way of writing the date (DD/MM/YY) is firmly engrained and isn't showing any signs of changing - except where in some cases it's written YYYY/MM/DD which I'm absolutely fine with.

Quote: ""Hey so you mean 8 minutes over 12?"
"nah, i meant 12 minutes over 8, gosh""


Over? Why 'over'?

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The international discrepancy in date formats can get a little confusing on things such as food expiration/sell by dates, which are printed as a barbaric and non formatted series of numbers. It's usually easy to tell which pair of digits is the year, but if the other two pairs of digits are less than or equal to 12, it can be hard to figure out which pair is the month and which pair is the day.

011214 for example; is that January 12, 2014, or is it December 1, 2014? Hard to tell often.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2014 09:18
Quote: "Over? Why 'over'?
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past, whatever ^^



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Posted: 3rd Oct 2014 10:38
Quote: "past, whatever ^^"


I was just wondering if anyone actually said 'over' instead of 'past'

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No, it's just that in sweden it's " 8 minuter över" över, directly translated is over - so it was a error on my end ^^



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