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AppGameKit/AppGameKit Studio Showcase / [AGK2-T1] Advanced Hacker [Released!][Too Difficult For Anyone To Publish!!]

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JLMoondog
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Posted: 6th Jan 2015 18:37 Edited at: 14th Feb 2015 02:24
Advanced Hacker released to Android, Google Play!

PC Version Available through Sellfy!

PC Version Available through ITCH.IO!

Update:

Game is now considered too difficult for the general public! Play at your own risk!!

Quote: ""Unfortunately we have to decline to publish your title. The team found that the gameplay was very difficult...""

- Desura

Game is also coming soon to PC on Desura! Along with an updated version for Android that includes a control toggle so it can be played on smaller screens.

Over the New Year break I decided to do a 24-hour game challenge. Game is pretty much complete, just needs a bit of polish. Really like how it turned out. Check it out.

Advanced Hacker
24 - Game Challenge


Advanced Hacker is a fast paced numbers game that requires guesswork and deduction to crack the pin number and hack the server. It's basically a Bulls & Cows game, but cooler.

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Probably release for android and a pc version. Not putting ads in this one, don't want to distract from it.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2015 00:05
Updated how information is displayed during gameplay, makes it way easier to look at your guesses and figure out what is what.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2015 18:49
Short game play video of Quick Game mode.



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Posted: 10th Jan 2015 22:56
Nice variation of the Mastermind game. Pretty cool!

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 18:01
Looking for testers! For PC and android. I plan to sell this game so I want to make sure all the bugs are ironed out.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 19:38
I have a Samsung S4 and would be happy to help

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 22:51
Cool! Anyone else who wants to test, send me an email and let me know what platform you'd like to test on. Also, I trust everyone not to give away any info on the game, might have you sign an NDA...might sound weird, but I have my secret reasons.

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Posted: 15th Jan 2015 23:05 Edited at: 15th Jan 2015 23:10
Quote: "Over the New Year break I decided to do a 24-hour game challenge."

Only 24 hours, sweet!
I just did one in 30 hours, and thought that was fast.

I like this, except for the name on the computer.
CE commode


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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 02:02
Lol! I wasn't sure about the copyright for using the Commodor 64 name, so changed it just a bit.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 04:45 Edited at: 16th Jan 2015 04:47
CE commode
That sounds like you think my work is crap.
lol
I started out on a Vic-20


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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 11:32
Looks like a great game, try Commander 64 perhaps?

Just looking at the screenshots my eyes glaze over.

Cheers!

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Posted: 16th Jan 2015 18:30
Emails sent out! If anyone else wants to test, let me know today. I want to get this game uploaded tonight. Anyone who tests will be included in the credits as 'tester'. Thanks!

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I want to test it if it is not too late.
I sent you a message with my email address.


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JLMoondog, I haven't had the opportunity to try this for very long yet. But what I have found is that the number pad is very small, I am using a Samsung S4 (which is a pretty big phone to be fair) and I struggle to push the correct numbers...

Sorry it isn't much, I'll hopefully have a decent go later today... I love the graphics by the way, you are incredibly skilled in that department, all your apps look great!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2015 16:09 Edited at: 17th Jan 2015 16:31
I was afraid the buttons would be too small...

I've actually been developing and testing on a 10" tablet and PC. Since I've yet to be informed of any game breaking bugs, I'm going to release the game on tablet and PC. Than in the next few days, redo the GUI for a more friendly experience on mobile.

Quote: " I love the graphics by the way, you are incredibly skilled in that department, all your apps look great!"

Thanks. I'm pretty sure I spend more time on graphics than programming.

Conjured Entertainment, I'll send you a link soon buddy.

Also, if you tested for me and want your real name in the credits, send me an email. Thanks!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2015 19:10
Advanced Hacker released to Android, Google Play!

Game is also coming soon to PC on Desura! Along with an updated version for Android that includes a control toggle so it can be played on smaller screens.


Time to celebrate with a pint and a cheeseburger!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2015 19:40
Good luck and well done

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Posted: 21st Jan 2015 06:51 Edited at: 21st Jan 2015 06:53
Thanks everyone! I've already made more in sales with this game in one week than I have made in ad revenue in the last 6 months with all my other free apps combined...

I'm self-publishing onto PC! You can grab the PC version on my Sellfy page!

Buy PC version here!

This is my first game for sale, more of a test to see how well I can do selling apps rather than relying on ads. I'm going to give it a while than build a free version with ads.

Thanks for the support! Now onto the next project! First post is also updated.

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Quote: "Thanks everyone! I've already made more in sales with this game in one week than I have made in ad revenue in the last 6 months with all my other free apps combined"

Interesting, thanks for sharing that info.
I have been suspecting as much, and have been deciding on which way to go. I was thinking no ads with 0.99 to 2.99 price range, depending on the app. It is nice to hear that a RAD app is selling well at your price.


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Posted: 27th Jan 2015 02:33 Edited at: 27th Jan 2015 02:36
So is the game just not fun? 10 people have bought the game and no one has played the actual game...or at least played enough to get a min score posted, which is 10..which is one server in 9 tries...There are two posted scores, but they are mine and my daughter's.

Just find it odd that no one who's bought the game has actually played it much. Sad. I promise to make an easier and much more fun game next.

I'd also like to add that my experience with Desura so far has been horrible...It's been almost two weeks since I submitted my game and it still says "awaiting approval"...not even an email update or anything stating that they're actually looking at it. Heck, even a rejection email would be nice!

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Quote: "So is the game just not fun? 10 people have bought the game and no one has played the actual game...or at least played enough to get a min score posted, which is 10..which is one server in 9 tries...There are two posted scores, but they are mine and my daughter's."


I was offline on the computer I was playing with.
Just played a several few rounds connected and scored on the board easy enough, so I don't think it is too hard.
It is difficult though, but just enough to make you really think on your toes for 120 seconds.
I didn't like being in last place, so I had to tie your score.


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Lol awesome. You think the time limit is fair? Currently it adds 20s every time you hack a server successfully, except in death mode. Think I should increase it? I'm about to release an update so you can change the controller size, make it easier for smaller screens. Can easily add that in too.

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Posted: 27th Jan 2015 06:01 Edited at: 27th Jan 2015 06:11
I wanted a backspace when I accidentally hit the wrong number.

The time limit is tight. Probably too tight for most brains.So, yeah, more time would definitely make it more playable for the critical-thinking challenged.
A score board for the unlimited time game would be nice too. (most people are probably playing that option)

I like it, but it may make some people too paranoid to try it just because of the nature of the game. (unauthorized entry hacking)
Maybe that is all just in my head. Just a thought anyway.


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Posted: 30th Jan 2015 05:28 Edited at: 30th Jan 2015 05:34
Bumping this because it is so fun!
I took a break and tried it a few more times.
This is a great short game for breaks!
Got in the zone and had a good run... (see score board)



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Posted: 30th Jan 2015 06:04
Oh nice! How many server hacks was that?

I'm going to have to try and beat your score now lol

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Posted: 30th Jan 2015 06:08 Edited at: 30th Jan 2015 06:14
I am not sure
I wasn't counting because I was too busy hacking.

Quote: "I'm going to have to try and beat your score now lol"

Good luck!
I think that score will be there at the top for awhile. (it was a good run)
Yes, that is a Pepsi challenge for the rest of you too!


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Posted: 31st Jan 2015 16:55
Quote: "I am not sure
I wasn't counting because I was too busy hacking. "

Lol, know what you mean. Sometimes if I'm having horrible luck or a brain fart on a pin and still have 3-4 guesses left, I'll just input random guesses as fast I can just to get a new server and fresh start.

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Well, I guess...
Your game is too hard.
My score is too high.
And, the world just got its butt kicked.

Seriously though, I have tried challenging people to beat that score.


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Posted: 11th Feb 2015 20:47 Edited at: 11th Feb 2015 20:50
Lol! So it's official! My game is way too hard for the general gaming public!

Reply from Desura:

Hello there!

Thank you for submitting your game, Advanced Hacker, to Desura for consideration. Unfortunately we have to decline to publish your title. The team found that the gameplay was very difficult and often confusing, and that the controls were also confusing. While not a bad concept overall, we felt that the game would need some further work and improvements to be ready to go forward with publishing. An in game tutorial might be a way to go, perhaps in the form of some early levels that are guided for the player so they can see how the game is meant to play. Best of luck with the game, and thanks once again for considering Desura.


Best,

Lisa Morrison
Head of Developer Relations, Bad Juju, Inc


I find this hilarious and a complement. I don't think there is any way to "hold the player's hand" and teach them the game. It's very easy to understand, it just takes actual thinking to play. I doubt they gave it a thorough test run, as not a single submission was ever sent in the last couple days..meaning no one on their team actually played the game. I plan to send a reply and get some more insight on their experience.

It's sad I was turned down, but honestly the game is hard because the actual game is difficult. It's based off a very old game that many people play. While building this game I've come to find out that one of two things happens with a player when playing the game, either they actually get it and are able to play or they never get it and could play hours upon days and never once understand what they're doing wrong.

It's also funny because this is an easier version of Fallout 3's hacking mini-game...

Quote: "While not a bad concept overall"

Lol! The game is confusing but they like the overall concept?? The gameplay is the overall concept! If they liked it than they're obviously not confused...

Only thing I really don't understand is confusing controls...what's so confusing about the controls? You click the keyboard keys, pretty self explanatory...has it really come down to game developers have to hold the player's hand THAT MUCH before they're allowed to play the actual game??

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Posted: 11th Feb 2015 23:36 Edited at: 12th Feb 2015 00:04
Quote: "Thank you for submitting your game, Advanced Hacker, to Desura for consideration. Unfortunately we have to decline to publish your title. The team found that the gameplay was very difficult and often confusing, and that the controls were also confusing. While not a bad concept overall, we felt that the game would need some further work and improvements to be ready to go forward with publishing. An in game tutorial might be a way to go, perhaps in the form of some early levels that are guided for the player so they can see how the game is meant to play. Best of luck with the game, and thanks once again for considering Desura. "

lol
That is hilarious.
This is a prime example of ...

"If I have to explain it, then you wouldn't understand."

In other words, if you don't have enough common sense enough to figure this out, then an explanation will more than likely be beyond your understanding as well.

Confusing controls???!
Yeah, I guess a numeric keypad and an enter key can be a challenge for some.
That leaves me wondering how efficient their finance department is...good luck with the payouts.

At least I got a good laugh out of this though, and you should too dude.
The best advice I ever got was "ignore the idiots", and I think it applies here.
This version is difficult for the average person (but playable), but in the right circles (Mensa maybe) this could really be appreciated.
With 7 billion + people in the world, the top 2 or 3 % is a very large number.

Just dumb down a version and add a short power point type walk through for the 'numeric keypad challenged'.
And make a leaderboard for the untimed games, because they will never make it in 120 seconds.


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Quote: "not a single submission was ever sent in the last couple days..meaning no one on their team actually played the game"


The opposite of an experience I had. I once submitted a game to AppUp. It went through their "rigorous approval process" and was published. But my stats showed they never played it.
Once it was published, they played it a few weeks later and I was given an Intel "Enhanced for Core" badge.


It's a bad measure of a game that they are using. I love games where the first challenge is to work out how to play the game. In fact, that is my plan for my current project; you don't get any instructions, you have to work it out. It's an interesting study in Psychology - all mammals and birds (except cats) prefer to work things out for themselves and will choose this option over the easier one. That's probably why men don't read instruction manuals

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Quote: "That's probably why men don't read instruction manuals "

Only after we have put the furniture together.
Then, we realize that Part D should have been where part B is, but that it actually works better our way.


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LoL.. made me think of a review I got on Dungeon Odyssey.. the reviewer said it was a great game and it was fun to play.. but ended the article saying.. "but the graphics are a bit 'retro'" I think he meant it in a bad way, but since the guy I did the graphics for asked me to make it look 'Retro' I took it as a compliment.

It's like giving a person a lemon tart and they say it tastes too much like lemon.. erm, what did he/they think it would taste like? LOL

I take great pleasure in knowing critics for the most part have no idea what they are talking about..

Did you hear the movie critique? I went to see this fantasy movie and well, it wasn't very realistic! LOL

I could go on an on, but I need to protect my ribs from cracking..

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Quote: "Did you hear the movie critique? I went to see this fantasy movie and well, it wasn't very realistic!"


I'm so impressed with Movie critics that my Intel competition entry is about removing them from the review process. I think Intel share the same sentiment, they've awarded me a prize!

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Not sure about people like Desura, because I do not share their logic.
Let the user decide what he/she wants to play. (hence a feedback system to warn of crap)
Just because their tester can't understand the game play or controls doesn't mean the user will have the same problem.
The testers should be checking for bugs and offensive material, not what they think is good or bad game design.
Not everyone has the same skill set or game type preferences.
I bet their tester would find Call of Duty to have confusing controls too (or any game if the numeric keypad is a challenge), but thank the gods they didn't have the decision to release that series or not.

For me, I would walk away from them because you have other channels for PC distribution. (this is not advice for you, just what I would do)
I would even market it in a way that uses this company rejection to propel it, if I could.
A lot of people like banned stuff because of their desire for freedom and less restrictions in their life.
They don't want people telling them what is appropriate when they can decide for themselves. (sure this is not everybody just some)
This could be sold as '...the game that was deemed by distributors as too difficult for the general public to play...you decide'.
Maybe get some of the "oh yeah, well I'll show them" responses.
I wouldn't let Desura's refusal get me down or slow up my efforts.
I would treat it like MoJo and spin that crap right back on them.
You tell people they can't play, and watch how fast they try to prove you wrong.


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Quote: "This could be sold as '...the game that was deemed by distributors as too difficult for the general public to play...you decide'"

Im starting to like this guy ^^^^
Quote: "The testers should be checking for bugs and offensive material, not what they think is good or bad game design."

I agree 100%
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Quote: "This could be sold as '...the game that was deemed by distributors as too difficult for the general public to play...you decide'. "


Nice idea. Perhaps something even more suggestive, without lying...

"The game that Desura wouldn't publish"

As CE says, it's like saying "Do not open this box". I'd always open the box.

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I think I'm going to push that, as it's kinda hilarious and I think would grab people's attention.

I personally thought it was funny. I had 6 people test the game before publishing and not a single one had any difficulty figuring out controls or how to play the game. They probably saw the screenshots or thought the game looked boring so they gave it to the interns...blah

All in all, I'd give my experience with desura a 2 out of 5 star rating. Their communication with developer's is sadly lacking. I'm still going to try them again with Starvenger, so hopefully that's much more easier for them to "understand".

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Posted: 14th Feb 2015 00:07 Edited at: 14th Feb 2015 03:45
Quote: "Nice idea. Perhaps something even more suggestive, without lying...

"The game that Desura wouldn't publish""

I didn't see it as lying. As a group of people (unless the company is one person, which I didn't assume) they would be distributors, plural.
Sure the company is one entity, but I was referring to their group of employees as being distributors. (to me they are, and I am including the testers)
And, they do release to the general public, so I take their answer in short as... 'this is too difficult for the general public'
So my phrase was an expression of my perception of their statement, not a direct quote from it.
Apologies for any confusion, but I had no intention to lie, just getting to the point to be brief without singling out any company in the statement. (no need for bad publicity)
Yeah, I am poking fun a little here, but not naming them in an ad campaign.
To me that would be like a bad political advertisement bashing the other opponent... I am not paying to advertise their name, or brand.

Quote: "As CE says, it's like saying "Do not open this box". I'd always open the box.
"

Yeah, its like "here is your x-mas present early, but don't open it until x-mas"
Dude, if you gave it to me early then why should I not open it early?
You should have waited to give it to me, instead of expecting me to sit there staring at it wondering whats in it.
Of course, it's open right then.

Quote: "The team found that the gameplay was very difficult and often confusing"

This game is supposed to be difficult.
Confusing? For some maybe, but that's no reason to punish the ones who can understand it.
That's like saying any game that doesn't appeal to everyone should not be published.
Again, Really?

Spoke my peace, thanks, and best of luck with them to you Moondog.


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That is a pretty funny reply from Desura!

Why not try itch.io?

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I'm going to give Desura the benefit of the doubt this time. I don't mean to offend them or any developers who've been published on their site, but I've seen some really terrible games on there, I at least should have gotten on for being polished.

Oh well, moving on.

Quote: "Why not try itch.io?"

Thanks for the tip!

Advanced Hacker now available on ITCH.IO!

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Posted: 14th Feb 2015 03:40 Edited at: 14th Feb 2015 03:55
Quote: ""Unfortunately we have to decline to publish your title. The team found that the gameplay was very difficult..."

- Desura"



Quote: "Advanced Hacker now available on ITCH.IO!"

That was fast!


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Posted: 14th Feb 2015 20:12
I find it hilarious that after 'twitting' and 'facebooking'(whatever the term is) about the situation with Desura, I've received 3 emails in the last 24 hours from publishers stating they'd publish my game.

Coming March 1, my game will be featured on FlexIndie and be apart of a "once a month pay what you want" model similar to Humble Bundle. Should be interesting.

The more marketplaces the better I say!

BatVink
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Posted: 14th Feb 2015 20:58 Edited at: 14th Feb 2015 20:58
Quote: "I didn't see it as lying"


Sorry, I didn't say you were lying. I was trying to say you could push the intrigue still further, while still not lying.

Go go itch.io

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Conjured Entertainment
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Posted: 14th Feb 2015 23:17
Quote: "I find it hilarious that after 'twitting' and 'facebooking'(whatever the term is) about the situation with Desura, I've received 3 emails in the last 24 hours from publishers stating they'd publish my game."

They after my high score.

Quote: "The more marketplaces the better I say!"

Can't hurt.

Quote: "Sorry, I didn't say you were lying. I was trying to say you could push the intrigue still further, while still not lying.
"

No need for sorry, it's all good. (I thought you misunderstood me)
I guess it was me who misunderstood your meaning, but I didn't get bent over it.
The direct quote ended up better anyway.


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JLMoondog
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Posted: 5th Oct 2015 15:56
It's been nearly 10 months and I've made over 40 sales. I guess not too bad for not having much in the ways of advertising. I've decided to make it free!

Also!! No one has discovered the secret game mode, so I guess I'll have to reveal how to unlock it. Inserting into code snippets, so if you don't want to be spoiled, don't open.



Good luck!
Conjured Entertainment
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Posted: 6th Oct 2015 02:00
Quote: "It's been nearly 10 months and"

My high score still stands?

Quote: " I've decided to make it free! "

Here comes the competition!

I have not tried to best my best, but I will try to stay on top, which will be a great challenge.
This is by far the hardest game I have played.

Quote: "lso!! No one has discovered the secret game mode, so I guess I'll have to reveal how to unlock it."

I must have overlooked something, because I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for a secret game mode.
I will try it though.

I think if you had advertised this (with the sales $ maybe) it would have taken off.

Did you enlarge the buttons on the Android version???
With large buttons to press instead of clicking, the mobile version could be better.
I would really like it if I could use my numeric keypad for input on the PC version. (pressing numbers instead of clicking with mouse)

I think this game could really take off if the input was friendlier, because the challenge level of the puzzle is great!!

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JLMoondog
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Posted: 9th Oct 2015 19:23
Hey Conjured, I've actually started to work on part II, or sequel i guess for Advanced Hacker. I'm developing mainly for PC, and will port to mobile after. The new version will feature way better control scheme, and will feature several game modes, including multiplayer and 2-player same screen multiplayer. I'll also have a story mode where you must prove to be the greatest hacker in the world, while thwarting a world-wide plot!
Conjured Entertainment
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Posted: 11th Oct 2015 06:24
Quote: " I've actually started to work on part II... The new version will feature way better control scheme"

Sounds great.
I am glad to see that you have plans for its further development.
Hopefully, the better controls will make it less difficult for those who couldn't hang with the first version.

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