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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Windows 10 - The only malware you'll ever need

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Chris Tate
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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 01:31
Isn't it called Microsoft Edge now? Any difference?

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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 02:05
Quote: "Isn't it called Microsoft Edge now? Any difference?"

Edge is a different browser, Windows 10 comes with both Edge and IE installed.

As for what's different, I'm sure there are loads of articles on differences, here's one that seemed to cover a decent amount:
http://blog.laptopmag.com/microsoft-edge-vs-internet-explorer-new

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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 03:22 Edited at: 11th Aug 2015 03:26
I'm already sick of W10. First signs were good - but now I'm struggling to find simple settings and programs:

- Paint has disappeared from view - I use that several times every day. [Actually, it's still there somewhere as I discovered by right clicking a file and using Open With - but that's a cack handed way of pasting a screenshot. ]

- The volume control button has disappeared from the Taskbar - and I can't work out how to enable it. The option seems to be greyed out - see screenshot. (I turned off the location feature during installation but certainly wouldn't knowingly turn off the volume control.)

- There's now an annoying Bing thing that up to now I've managed to avoid installing on my machines. That must have been cunningly hidden under some innocuous looking option about search options. Why would anyone use anything other than Google for searching?

I'm increasingly of the view that The Comet was right about this being MalWare.





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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 04:16
Quote: "I'm increasingly of the view that The Comet was right about this being MalWare."


Yeah, as am I* and a bunch of my co-workers. One is a die-hard uber gamer who has a killer gaming machine, and he just installed Xubuntu the other night and got most of his games working via WINE/Steam. Just a note, he's running nVidia GPUs and his multi-monitor setup worked just fine, although he at first told the display properties manager the incorrect order of his screens

He's also going to install Windows XP via Virtual Box so that he can run old games in there just fine.

I, myself, went and installed Kubuntu, but just today switched to Linux Mint, as I like my OSes... in Mint condition.


*Quick note, I think malware might be a bit of a hyperbole statement, however I certainly agree with all the privacy/control concerns that everyone has. It is unacceptable for Microsoft to expect us all to bend to their every whim.


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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 11:53 Edited at: 11th Aug 2015 11:58
A lot of people at work are complaining about W10 being a terrible operating system. Simple settings can't be found, drivers stopped working properly, programs don't run correctly...

Also what's up with the multiple desktop support? It looks like that's a difficult feature to use and enable, as it's hidden from the user by default, and when you figure out how to use it, it takes multiple button presses to switch desktops anyway, so you may as well not use it.

The UI also "looks like they hired a child to vomit onto a canvas"

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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 16:25
I have yet to find any gain from W10.

I'm seriously considering downgrading back to W7 - unless someone can tell me how to find Paint and how to re-enable the volume controls and buttons.

Any suggestions?



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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 17:11
Well, that was impressive. Finally found the paint program (MSPaint.exe apparently) by manually checking to see where it was on a W7 machine. It's in exactly the same location (or locations I should say - there are two and I have no idea why there are two or which I should use or why - I'll use the system32 version ). Now why couldn't the W10 search utility find that?

Just one more problem to solve (so far ) - i.e. how to re-enable the sound buttons on the laptop and the Taskbar .



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Start -> All apps -> Windows Accessories -> Paint

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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 21:34 Edited at: 11th Aug 2015 21:37
Paint shows up for me as it always has. For your buttons, perhaps you need to go check out the drivers on your manufacturer's website.

And what's this about the desktops? The task view icon is there on the taskbar by default at least it was for me. I never really use it though, and I never used multiple desktops on linux either. But thinking about it it would be kind of nice to separate apps between art and programming when I'm doing both. I'll give it a try next time.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 22:00 Edited at: 11th Aug 2015 22:01
Quote: "Start -> All apps -> Windows Accessories -> Paint"


Thanks. I was looking under Accessories, Microsoft Paint and Paint.

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For your buttons, perhaps you need to go check out the drivers on your manufacturer's website."


Thanks. Haven't tried that - mainly because it has always failed to be any use in the past. But there's always a first time.

Actually, I suspect the sound problem is related to the options I chose during installation. It was probably hidden inside something apparently unrelated that I decided I didn't need or want. But then a fresh reboot is worth a try too. (And that does often work. )



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Posted: 11th Aug 2015 23:17 Edited at: 12th Aug 2015 00:57
I am happy with my upgrade so far - I did notice they completely redesigned a lot of stuff, including settings, so it means moving around.

But GG, if you struggle to find something, the Search feature in the Start Menu is actually a good search tool - I know in the old days you'd have to wait ages for a search to populate, but I literally just hit "Start" typed "Paint" and it came up immediately. Something I got used to with Windows 8 because half the time I was lazy to put stuff on my start screen when I could just Start -> [type the first few letters of the program] -> Click on icon.

And I just noticed something cool, I accidentally pressed the Xbox button on my controller:




Gives me access to Xbox Live, gives me the ability to record video and take screenshots. Useful discovery.

This is a sample video I recorded to see what it's like (sorry, I listen to music as I game).



It has only recorded at 720p and Bandicam offers more flexibility. But this is at normal quality and normal resolution, I suspect "high resolution" and "high quality" will make a nice video, but the above is a really nice smooth recording, which I didn't get so much with Bandicam, but then I've not used Bandicam since jumping from my GTX770 to a GTX980, so it's not a fair test.

Still, a useful free tool for gamers that comes standard with Windows 10.

Added a video of ARK as well, which is pretty graphics intense and uses a lot of resources for some reason. Also set settings to "high" for both quality and resolution and I get 1080p out. Still a good performance recording.



There is stutter, but that's actually ARK and not the recording. Happens when not recorded - just it's an Alpha game that's not well optimised. You'll also tell I am relatively new to it from the video XD

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Posted: 12th Aug 2015 00:58
Quote: "But GG, if you struggle to find something, the Search feature in the Start Menu is actually a good search tool"


Yes, that seems to be working now. Don't know why that didn't work before. It's quite possible I didn't notice that Paint was the first item in the long list of possibilities and dismissed it as the search term itself.

Still need to check out the Volume control things though. Why should something so simple be so damned difficult to fix - and why did W10 break something that was working?



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Posted: 12th Aug 2015 01:29
Have you tried Right-click on the speaker icon on your tool bar? You can click "Volume Mixer" and get your volumes for each program:



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Posted: 12th Aug 2015 01:46
Quote: "Have you tried Right-click on the speaker icon on your tool bar?"


That was the point. The icon had gone.

Anyway:

Quote: "But then a fresh reboot is worth a try too. (And that does often work.)"


Guess what - it did. Well, 50% anyway. The Taskbar icon has returned and works - but the keyboard and other non-screen buttons still don't.

Making progress at least.

I'm beginning to feel like a total noob.



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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 00:05
Quote: "The Taskbar icon has returned and works - but the keyboard and other non-screen buttons still don't."


Just woke my laptop from hibernation and now the sound buttons and keys work as well. Perhaps W10 just needed time to think.

Having finally got a W10 system which seems to work as well as W7 perhaps someone can tell me what W10 might have to offer ...



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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 00:38
Ads in your Start Menu! Cortana who stores your information (but, so does Siri, Google Now, etc.,.). That's all it really has to offer.

Also super-slow file transfer speeds that completely eat up your CPU and forces you to sit and wait forever


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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 02:10
Quote: "now the sound buttons and keys work as well"


Correction! The sound keys work but the non-keyboard non-screen sound button (not sure what to call those things just above the keyboard on this machine) doesn't. Even so, it is progress.

Quote: "Also super-slow file transfer speeds "


Haven't tested that yet. Transfer from what to what?



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From other file locations or other hard drives.

Every test I've done, it takes an INSANE amount of time to copy files.

For example, in Linux Mint, I transferred over 610 songs from my other hard drive in less than 20 seconds. Windows 10 took almost five entire minutes!

So imagine a folder that has literally hundreds of gigs of data. I transferred it over to my secondary hard drive before upgrading just to be safe. Took maybe ~4-5 minutes, tops. When I went to copy it back in Windows 10, it took a little over half an hour, AND halted my system. I couldn't do anything, no other applications would launch, my fans started whirring like crazy, and my CPU processes skyrocketed. From a simple file transfer. That alone is what made me install Linux Mint on that secondary hard drive.


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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 03:02
Those are called media controls. I haven't had trouble moving files. Can you screenshot it?

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Quote: "Those are called media controls. I haven't had trouble moving files. Can you screenshot it?"


Sorry, been up since 4am and can't quite determine what you mean by media controls?

And no, I can't screenshot it since it freezes my entire system until the file transfer is complete. Believe me, I want to record it, but I don't want to waste the time to do so.


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Quote: "I can't screenshot it"
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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 05:22
Quote: "Ads in your Start Menu!"


See, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Maybe the store's live tile? If the contents of the store are an issue, then right-click -> Unpin from start. Was same with Windows 8 and Windows Phone. Live tile just shows content from the app. You can turn off live tile by: right-click->Turn off live tile.

Because the rest of my start menu is made up of preinstalled apps and newsfeeds and the weather.

Quote: "Also super-slow file transfer speeds that completely eat up your CPU and forces you to sit and wait forever"


Hmm, something could be going wrong. It's not an issue I've had. I had to transferred 30gb of stuff and it wasn't a nightmare at all. In fact, the time it took didn't leave an impression on me, because it took as long as I'd expect it to normally take. For small stuff, don't take long. I've just not noticed any difference in file transfer versus 8. Same with load times. The only thing that take time to load on my HDD is ARK, but that's because ARK takes ages to load anyway.

However, I have made no specific tests (hence my vagueness), because I never thought I had a problem with file transfers.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 05:45
I just copied my entire program files directory, I got to 60GB copied before I got bored but there was no system lockup and I was getting a solid 180MB/s.

There's something wrong with your install or hardware if you're locking up, I'm not pinning this one on Win10.
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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 05:55
It must be a software issue since Linux doesn't have the same issues. But, what software could cause such ridiculous slowdowns/lockups? My motherboard drivers perhaps?


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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 06:42
Hmmm, should I upgrade to Windows 10 tomorrow? Big decision...
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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 07:32
My advice? No. There's still a few bugs that need worked out and honestly it's not quite worth the upgrade just yet.

Unless you want to be a guinea pig, then by all means, see how much fun it is when your computer locks up while transferring files


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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 09:28
Alright. Your advice sounds wise, so I'll find something else to do tomorrow.
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Posted: 13th Aug 2015 11:55 Edited at: 13th Aug 2015 18:28
Quote: "It must be a software issue since Linux doesn't have the same issues. But, what software could cause such ridiculous slowdowns/lockups? My motherboard drivers perhaps? "


I would say it's probable, or something is conflicting or something corrupt. Conflicts can be a pain, had the issue when I upgraded my graphics card, it kept cutting out on me and I was worried I had a dud card, but ran Safe Mode, didn't have the issue and eventually solved the issue from within safe mode.
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Posted: 14th Aug 2015 17:14
http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

Sure djd64, upgrade to this wonderful OS.

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Yes I believe that very reliable source. Was that not a developer preview version?
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Posted: 14th Aug 2015 19:24
K, looks like I am for sure not upgrading.
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Lol. TheComet listing Russian (false) propaganda? That's a new low even for thecomet.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2015 14:31
Perhaps not the most reliable of sources, agreed. Here's another source, one that explains how to reproduce it for yourself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3gm1e3/what_windows_10_is_actually_monitoring_regardless/

Also, you could just read Microsoft's official privacy statement, which basically says the same thing too: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Quote: "Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders) ....

Microsoft collects and uses data about your speech, inking (handwriting), and typing on Windows devices to help improve and personalize our ability to correctly recognize your input.

For example, to provide personalized speech recognition, we collect your voice input, as well your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of the people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames ...

Additionally, your typed and handwritten words are collected to provide you a personalized user dictionary, help you type and write on your device with better character recognition, and provide you with text suggestions as you type or write. Typing data includes a sample of characters and words you type, which we scrub to remove IDs, IP addresses, and other potential identifiers. It also includes associated performance data, such as changes you manually make to text as well as words you've added to the dictionary"


So unreliable or not, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true.

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nothing like making libelous statements and then once confronted about it being a lie, quoting a privacy policy completely out of order and out of context. Don't you feel bad about misleading people?

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Well even Ars Technica is reporting that Windows 10 is either not entirely honoring the privacy settings or has not exposed a control to completely turn off communication to Microsoft. They even go as far as to say that the Windows 10 traffic attempts to bypass proxies/firewalls. It's not as total a condemnation as the links TheComet has posted, but it's still worrying. I'm even more committed to staying on Linux as much as possible, with maybe running Windows in a VM.

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I'm more concerned about the fact that there seems to be no way of turning off automatic upgrades. I usually prefer to download upgrades when it's convenient to me - and not have my favourite TV program or whatever suddenly start buffering just because W10 has detected that a new GFX card driver is available. Life used to be so simple ...



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Posted: 16th Aug 2015 07:03
Well about the auto updates, remember you can set your home WiFi connection to metered, and it won't download them without your permission.
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Posted: 16th Aug 2015 12:42 Edited at: 16th Aug 2015 12:48
@bitJericho - Because a source is unreliable it's a lie? Don't be so naive.

We know Windows 10 sends metadata of what you're doing to Microsoft - even when you disable all of the settings. The fact that all of these "features" are enabled by default doesn't make it any better.

Instead of resorting to invalid authoritative arguments and personal attacks to back up what you're trying to say, maybe you should actually look at the facts and stand up to that "community leader" badge you've got.

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To be fair comet, I can't find any of what you 'quoted' from the privacy statement in the actual statement.

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Quote: "To be fair comet, I can't find any of what you 'quoted' from the privacy statement in the actual statement"


I copied the important parts together. You have to click on "expand all" and read the "How We Use Personal Data" section. It's pretty scary.

Quote: "https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3gm1e3/what_windows_10_is_actually_monitoring_regardless/

Please enlighten me here Comet as to whom is telling the truth."


?

You posted a link I posted earlier showing how Windows 10 will send data you type into the search bar to Microsoft. What's your point?

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It very clearly contradicts a lot of what was in http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

Which is way OTT libelous. The second link shows more accurately what MS already said they are going to collect.

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What is it directly contradicting? We don't know whether or not what the Czech guy claims is true or not. Microsoft's official privacy statement sure makes me think it could potentially be true.

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@bitJericho:

Everyone else is managing to be polite in this discussion, whereas you are being downright confrontational and somewhat condescending. Calling TheComet a liar just because he quoted the privacy policy and posted a few links regarding the data that Microsoft *may* collect on its users is really going a step too far.

He even admitted that the links he shared weren't the most reliable sources, but that's not what his point was. His point was that Microsoft *may* be collecting data that we're unaware of. Why are you having such a difficult time grasping this?

I'm gonna say what we're all thinking. Stop being such an ass about this whole thing! Stop attacking TheComet just to attack him. I'm sick of seeing him getting attacked just because of this thread.


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I second Yodaman's opinion on the matter!
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Let's keep it clean.




On a Windows 10 note, it is nice to see Windows caught up on the Linux community on one feature, which I only just discovered:

http://i.imgur.com/wGc0fYk.png

Multiple desktops! And seems to be able to handle a good number of them.

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Sounds good

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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/08/17/windows-10-safedisc-securom-drm/

Looks like a bunch of old games that use securom won't run on windows 10

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The last thing I'll say on the subject:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053420

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@bitJericho

What on earth was the point of posting that link?



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