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Pincho Paxton
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Quote: "What Mod? RobK's the only mod that's posted in this thread so far (unless I'm mistaken) and he only said Outlook was poor programming.
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Sorry, I thought that Ed had changed his name to....Mnemonix because of the Avatar.
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Quote: "i guess to be proven wrong for once."

cough...erm...could someone please help me get back onto my chair again?

Me, I'll sit and write this love song as I all too seldom do
build a little fire this midnight. It's good to be back home with you.
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@Raven

Couple of points:

1. Use an open source component such as Scintilla and modify it yourself - easy way to a quick IDE.

2. Don't moan about other people's lack of productivity because (1) DarkBASIC is a hobby and (2) You are a fine one to talk.


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3. You have a dancing cat as an avatar.
4. You do this ==> ^_^ far too much.

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5. You asked way too angrily, like you expected everyone that read this thread to know your history/dilemma. I could have gotten some contacts together and possibly put this project together but not with your attitude, no way. (Assuming I even liked you, which I don't)

sorry to say.

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i don't care if you like me; i said i don't need someone to work with, i don't need someone to be friendly with. i need someone with the talent to do a job without messing around, without being friendly, just to get on with what they're asked.

i will want to talk to this person twice, once to describe and show exactly what i want; and again once they've finished.
no history, no dilema, no anything; i want work done, end of story.

i've not yet met a programmer who doesn't do things just to prove they can achieve it; considering there are soooo many application developers here it made perfect sense to post something here.

and for the last time... I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO CREATE THIS MYSELF


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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 21:59
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Why do you think someone is going to make this for you?

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@Raven

You'd be surprised how much you could get accomplished if you had even 1 ounce of "social skills".

good luck

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Quote: " I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO CREATE THIS MYSELF"


And neither does anybody else. Simple as that.

I personally find that I get things done by asking nicely and giving good incentives for people to do something as well as returning the favour. Of course, that is just my experience.


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So in that case I suppose we should ask if by Raven's experience, yelling at everyone to do something has actually worked.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 23:49
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Quote: "I personally find that I get things done by asking nicely and giving good incentives for people to do something as well as returning the favour. Of course, that is just my experience."


Well said Rob, personally from my experience at work, we also findout that if there is a requirement from someone, and they ask me to fix a perlscript or write a quick vb application, it better if they ask you nicer (I do not tolerate anyone being rude at all). if you are rude to someone, then it does not show respect,show some respect Raven, don't put people down. Thats the worse thing you can do, if you want someone to do developer your application.

I have some projects to do at the moment, but would love this challenge, but i am afraid i have to decline, especially now, as christmas is coming up.

I appreciate you not having time, but please, do not be so rude. Treat people like how you want to be treated.
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Quote: "i don't care if you like me; i said i don't need someone to work with, i don't need someone to be friendly with. i need someone with the talent to do a job without messing around, without being friendly, just to get on with what they're asked.

i will want to talk to this person twice, once to describe and show exactly what i want; and again once they've finished.
no history, no dilema, no anything; i want work done, end of story.

i've not yet met a programmer who doesn't do things just to prove they can achieve it; considering there are soooo many application developers here it made perfect sense to post something here.

and for the last time... I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO CREATE THIS MYSELF"


Who the ****ing hell do you think you are!!? Enough is now firmly enough.

You say you don't have time to do this yourself, well here's an idea...

p!$$ off from this forum, stop wasting our time, and have a go yourself...

And THAT'S logic...!

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Congratulations, Raven, you just made the list for my Room 101.

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LOL

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Quote: "I personally find that I get things done by asking nicely and giving good incentives for people to do something as well as returning the favour. Of course, that is just my experience."


i have 13 unfinished IDE's that people have promised to finish over the past 4years; i'm through being nice.
and i've asked here before anyone who could, and what happened was it was totally ignored... atleast this time your all paying sodding attention.

sorry but i can't use GOOD INTENTIONS, i want someone who will actually damn well do what they said they would and finish for once.

Sorry but if none of you want to do it then why even bother answering?! HUH!? ... just to sit there and waste my time further.


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Just a quick thought.

Do you not think that these 13 unfinished IDE's that people have promised to finish, have no materialised into a full product because of the disgusting and childish attitude you have..?

Just a thought...

Sorry, I've just at the moment, got nothing better to do but waste your time.

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Quote: "just to sit there and waste my time further."


Wastey, wastey, wastey, waste

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PROPER BO CHRIS!!!!!

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Room 101 LOL! That would be a good name for our unfinished project page! This should have a Flamebait tag!

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So anyway, I was going out for pizza the oher day...


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Exeat - you never DID say what phase 2 was (re bar-be-que, etc....)

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Funny how he responded to us saying "yelling won't get you anywhere" with more yelling...


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It's the logic that gets to him.

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Quote: "Exeat - you never DID say what phase 2 was (re bar-be-que, etc....)"


Oh yes, of course. We have planned to get the world hooked on BBQ's and since we are the only supplier in the world we will have the ability to inflate the price tenfold and charge whatever we please. It's kind of like what Microsoft did with computers... but for BBQ's!


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Ahhhhh, that's a very sneaky plot your country has there...!

Can I buy open-air licences?

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Well you could, but now you know too much and you must be gotten rid of...


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New from GNU -- OpenBBQ! You get some charcoal and a lump of metal and simply have to construct the BBQ yourself from the included blueprints .

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@raven:

Quote: " i guess to be proven wrong for once. "


There are two kinds of reality here, yours, and this forums database.


Quote: " sorry but i can't use GOOD INTENTIONS, i want someone who will actually damn well do what they said they would and finish for once."


Now you know how the community feels in regards to your efforts to date, after countless rounds of vapourware. It's more reailistic to assume, that these other 20 IDE developers (name them) saw that you couldn't hold up your end of the bargin and lost faith.


Seriously though, Why do you need a 'personalized' IDE in the first place ?. Where is the incentive here for the developer ?. Gaining your respect ?. Get a grip! If your developing a language, then potential contributors should understand his objective from the get go, and their place in the scheme of things.


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<pulls pants back up>
Damn that sneaky Raven...

LOL
<he said exploited>

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That's one fat-ol-ass you got there rust...!

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"...my ass looks like riccotta cheese in a plastic bag..."

"...My ass looks like a damn wet pillow, that's been stepped on by a footbal team with cleets..."

"...I'm just looking to get some of them bubbles out, them cellulite bubbles..."

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Oh darn it! I'm back on this topic again!

I read..........

'So you think you're a good CattleRustler!'

LOL!

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@Raven

You have friends? Plural? In real life? That you have met in person?

Sorry, just a thing from the second page of this rather stupid thread, cos with you insulting the majority of the DB community, i felt i had to reply.

@Who ever it was

Not ALL DB programmers are bad. I think of myself as quite a good programmer. But yes, there are some really bad coders here.

Next question.

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OMG I feel the need to thread jack and talk about something else just incase I ever get curious enough to read this dribble.

Quote: ""who says that the guy who invented it [Tetris] is a great programmer?""


It's quite a story actually, written on a humble Spectrum by a Rusky when he got home from the pub. After the Vodka induced hangover he vaguley remembered writting a computer game and fired up his Spectrum...

The sad part is, being a member of a communist state that most of us dont know who he is, couldnt spell or pronounce his name if we did, and he never got a single penny for writting it.


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Tetris was first programmed by Alexey Pajitnov and Dmitry Pavlovsky, two computer engineers at the Computer Center of the Russian Academy of Sciences in 1985-86. It was written on an Electronica 60, in fact, and not a Spectrum.

This was the eighties and people were out to make millions, and a publisher called Robert Stein of Andromeda (the company, not the galaxy) decides he wants it and sets out to buy the rights. Except, he doesn't wait so he sells Tetris to Spectrum Holobyte before he owns it, and then goes to Moscow to get a deal signed. Except he doesn't get any signatures on any pieces of papers.

And that makes for one of the most interesting legal fights in gaming history...

http://www.tetris-top.com/saga

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Jeezx..(Yeah good word!) He signed away a Billion! I'd be upset if I signed away a million!
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Obviously, you aren't expecting someone to code something this complicated for nothing except a good ear bashing, so what is your budget?

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Hey Fallout, very good question. Without posting any specs or billing information just what does he expect? Certainly sounds like a leech to me.

Raven: "i will want to talk to this person twice, once to describe and show exactly what i want; and again once they've finished.
no history, no dilema, no anything; i want work done, end of story."

Surely you know about written specifications? Try to organize your thoughts enough to come up with one. If you can do that, you are on your way to obtaining your desires. If you could post it here that would make people feel better about you.

BTW it's OK to berate others who don't live up to your personal expectations, but it's not wise to do it in front of them.

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Quote: "BTW it's OK to berate others who don't live up to your personal expectations, but it's not wise to do it in front of them."


right, because they would kick your sorry ass, heartbone.

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he hasn't responded because he knows he's wrong.








there, that oughta get him to respond. lol.


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What's so good about getting Raven to flamewar all the time?
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Shut the hell up with your damn logic and help us annoy Raven!

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Quote: "anyone here tell me which version of Windows people are most likely to be useing nowadays?

the editor needs to work even down to the basic Pentium 90mhz w/16mb ram w/2mb VGA ... at the very least (Windows 98's min specs)"


Anyone care to tell me what PCs most people are using nowadays? The Pentium you're talking about sounds like a cash register. A fairly advanced cash register at that...
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Quote: "Shut the hell up with your damn logic and help us annoy Raven!
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Lol! Maybe I was getting you to flame!

It was the logical thing to do!

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Quote: "the editor needs to work even down to the basic Pentium 90mhz w/16mb ram w/2mb VGA ... at the very least (Windows 98's min specs)"


You'd be lucky to get Windows 98 to work on that - It won't run at an acceptable speed on anything less than a P130 / 32MB RAM / 4MB VGA.


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.. which reminds me. Early today I found my UFO: Enemy Unknown manual. I opened it for a laugh, mainly out of nostalgia and happened upon system requirements: 2MB of RAM. How cool is that? I remember I had 4MB when I got UFO. That was one mean ass 386!!! I even upgraded my Adlib for a Sound Blaster Pro!

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