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Phaelax
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2018 12:31
And did you like it? Due to complicated work-arounds I heard installing Win7 onto an nvme drive, I made the jump to Win10 for my new computer. So far there's been a learning curve, since they wanted to rearrange and rename everything. Aesthetically speaking, I don't like it. Window backgrounds bright white and everything flat just looks dumb and frankly it's harder on the eyes. I'll try not to turn this post into a venting rage.

So my PC decided to update itself last night. Not only do I not even know what was updated, because no longer does it provide a list of updates it just does it blindly, it rebooted my PC on my behalf. I woke up at 5:30 this morning to the beep the pc makes when it reboots. Why is automatically rebooting an absolutely horrible idea? For one, unsaved work. I had a text document I was using to write down notes as I backed up various network drives.

The other issue? Before I went to bed I started file transfer of somewhere around 150GB. I knew it'd take awhile so I did it before bed. Did it finish? I have no idea. Sure the folders it created are all there, but now I don't know if it actually finished or not. It could have corrupted my data for all I know. Verifying it all would take forever. I could redo the transfer and have it overwrite everything just to be safe, but again that takes hours. I have since disabled anything and everything to do with automatic updates. As well as disable numerous other popups and annoyances. (quick asking me to link my phone!) The vast number of options I've seen in settings still all point towards Win10 being designed for a tablet, not a desktop user.

Oh, and since this last update, only 1 out of 4 network devices show up. 3 of them I have the manually type it to access. And the one that actually does show up on its own, windows says it can't access it.


If I didn't have so many things relying on using windows, I probably would've switched to mac by now, assuming they haven't gotten worse too.
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2018 16:13 Edited at: 3rd Mar 2018 16:14
I switched to W10 when it was offered to existing W7 users. I consider that to be one of the biggest mistakes of my life. The transition broke all sorts of things - and some apparently permanently. Unfortunately I missed my chance to roll back to W7 because there was a time limit on that And I didn't realize .

I thought W7 was probably the cleanest version of windows I've used with XP a close second.

You are not alone.

To be fair, my new desktop came with W10 pre-installed and I've had fewer problems with that.

One very annoying thing is that I can't get Windows Live Mail on either of my W10 machines and the new mail program refuses to connect to my usual mail server - and, to rub salt in the wound, the email provider's Online Help Chat staff told me that they weren't trained to give help on email problems!! I'm still (almost ) lost for words on that. I've used the same provider for about 25 years and they say their staff aren't trained in its use... All they came up with was to suggest I consult the vendor of the Mail program...
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2018 21:34
Don't know what all the fuss was about I switch over a year ago and not had any issues with only software. I clung onto XP back in the day but that was for good reason.
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2018 22:01
Quote: "very annoying thing is that I can't get Windows Live Mail "

I use Thunderbird

I still can't access my NAS, I've tried every thing at this point. I think the headache to install 7 on my nvme would be less stress than dealing with this crap.
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Posted: 4th Mar 2018 23:16
Quote: "Don't know what all the fuss was about I switch over a year ago and not had any issues with only software."


You're lucky. Several older games which used to work on W7 no longer work on W10 (although some can be patched by hunting down a missing DLL etc.). I haven't been able to get Texture Maker to work consistently - and the Windows Essentials download doesn't seem to be available anymore. (I think that was what was needed for Windows Live Mail - all I have now is Windows Dead Mail ). All in all it is a pain - a far cry from the relatively painless transition to W7.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 02:42 Edited at: 5th Mar 2018 02:43
There are some nice things about Win10, but unfortunately the terrible things outweigh them.

Win10 seems a lot more responsive in general. It boots really fast, programs launch faster, ending a task in task manager actually kills the program within 1-2 seconds. It also has better permission policies.

The flat UI looks bad and makes it hard to tell where the window borders are if you have multiple windows open.

It has multiple desktops, so welcome to 1995 I guess, but they implemented it in the worst, most unproductive way possible. There are no hotkeys to jump to specific desktops, you have to scroll through all of them. There are no hotkeys to move windows between desktops. Getting to the window you want is really time consuming.

They still managed to screw up alt+tab on multi-monitor setups. Win7 does this too. I'd really like to have a separate stack per monitor, otherwise alt-tab often just switches between the two active windows you have open on both monitors, which is completely useless.

Auto-focusing windows when you mouse over takes 1 second for the window to focus instead of instantaneously focusing it. Super annoying.

There are a few features that are impossible to stop, such as cortana. It still runs even if you disable it.

Being forced to reboot your computer to install updates is really bad.

I've also found that a lot of programs and games I use no longer work on win 10.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 08:09
Ah, you've made the mistake of not upgrading to Win 10 Megaprise Ultra.
Anything less, and you have to babysit your PC whenever it is switched on, for fear it may do literally anything without your approval.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 08:37 Edited at: 5th Mar 2018 08:38
Even if it asks for your approval.

Cue Seppuku’s rant about the two creator updates. “Remind me tomorrow” means to remind me tomorrow not wait until I’ve nipped to the shop to start the update, which takes 3 or 4 hours. An update, which now provides me random crashes, which i’ve tried all troubleshooting for, there are a handful of people experiencing this. Sadly there is no pattern to them, making them harder to troubleshoot.

My recommendation might be to turn off the feature updates to stop things like the creator updates, they don’t include security updates or bug fixes, so it is safe to do so. Each time they release one they’ve not added anything useful to me and you can still do it manually if anything tickles your fancy and have the spare time to run it.


Aside from those niggles, I like it as an OS.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 08:40
I switched to win 10 1-2 years ago.
Not really hard issues in this time.
And never make an upgrade from a previous version.Ever a clean install.My 2 cents.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 11:31
The only two issues with Win10 I've had was shadow-play not working until you download the Media pack but not really a windows 10 issue just a EU bureaucrats making M$ take it out for the UK\EU version cus' of 'reasons'. The other is scaling, using two 1440p screens older apps don't tend to support scaling so they look blurry (Steam client has no excuses but still has no support?!), but again not 100% M$ fault that one.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 13:43
Quote: "They still managed to screw up alt+tab on multi-monitor setups. Win7 does this too. I'd really like to have a separate stack per monitor, otherwise alt-tab often just switches between the two active windows you have open on both monitors, which is completely useless."

Not sure what you mean. I had dual monitors in Win7 and it was never an issue for me. Hold ALT when you tab to switch between other windows, not just the two recent.

Quote: "Cue Seppuku’s rant about the two creator updates. "

Yea I traced my network issue to the fall creator update. I uninstalled it but it didn't fix the problem, it had already reconfigured other settings. I had to re-enabled unsecure guest access to connect to my NAS.

I just like updates being installed without it telling me what the updates are. Heck, even googling the KB number returned almost nothing. But I have since then disabled updates. I've left the firewall and AV active, as it hasn't caused me any issues yet.

Quote: "And never make an upgrade from a previous version.Ever a clean install.My 2 cents."

Mine was a clean install.

I did have Win10 freeze on me once yesterday. I think I was trying to copy a file or something and it completely locked up, had to reboot. I don't think I've ever had Win7 completely freeze like that on me.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 15:40
I've been using it since the free upgrades first went out a couple of years ago. Over all, I really like it and have had no significant issues... up until Creators Update. That thing is such a mess, it has consistently caused problems across numerous machines that I've had to work with.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 15:40
Quote: "Not sure what you mean. I had dual monitors in Win7 and it was never an issue for me. Hold ALT when you tab to switch between other windows, not just the two recent."


That's the problem I'm trying to avoid. If I press alt+tab once, I expect to switch between the two most recent windows on that monitor, not switch between the window on my left screen and the window on my right screen. That's entirely pointless because if I have 2 monitors, then by definition, the two windows that are focused on those two monitors are "active", are they not?

On linux I'm using the awesome-wm window manager, and the way it works there is:
win+shift+q - switch to screen 1
win+shift+w - switch to screen 2
win+k - switch to next active window on that screen
win+j - switch to previous active window on that screen

Consider the following two examples: I have two screens 1 and 2. On screen 1 I have firefox, on screen 2 I have my IDE and behind that I have gimp.
1) Let's say I'm actively working on code in my IDE, but I want to get to gimp. On Windows, I'd alt+tab, then, depending on whether I used firefox last or not, I'd either focus firefox accidentally (which is on the other monitor), or by some miracle focus gimp. This right here is the problem. I don't mentally keep track of which window I used last (and I doubt you do either), so it's always a gamble which window gets focused. I also don't want to spend time figuring out which icon corresponds to which window while holding alt, but unfortunately, on Windows, I have to, and this process can take about 3 seconds. On linux, I'd just press ctrl+k and that's it. Firefox is on another screen so it gets ignored.
2) Let's say I decide to google something. On windows, I'd move my mouse over to screen 1, click to focus the window, ctrl+t to open a new tab, search for something. Then I'd move my mouse back to my IDE, click to regain focus of my IDE and continue. On linux, I'd press win+shift+q to focus firefox, ctrl+t to open a new tab, search, then win+shift+w to switch back to my IDE. Note that during this entire process I don't need to use the mouse (well, apart from maybe having to click links in the browser).

Now, I can hear some of you screaming at your monitors going "Comet, shut up! You are nitpicking! Those extra seconds don't matter"

To you I say: They absolutely matter. I encourage you to do a little experiment: Track how many times you switch windows over 1 day (be this alt+tab or just clicking on another window). With me it's in the range of 200-300 times per day. I feel like getting to the correct window on Windows takes roughly 1.75 seconds (best case is 0.5, worst case 3, assuming the average). That means I waste 5.8 minutes of my life switching between windows each day. In awesome-wm, it's at most 1 second, which means I save 60 hours per year if I use linux.

All I'm saying is: Windows could be made a lot more efficient. It's those tiny things that annoy me, and they add up.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 17:33
Quote: "That's entirely pointless because if I have 2 monitors, then by definition, the two windows that are focused on those two monitors are "active", are they not?"

Nope. Just because you can see both doesn't mean both have focus. Whichever one receives keyboard input is the one with focus, that's why it switches to the app on the other screen, it assumes you want it to have focus, not just simply be visible.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 17:46
Quote: "Over all, I really like it and have had no significant issues... up until Creators Update. That thing is such a mess"


Yes, this has screwed up 2 of my machines.
VPNs, graphics drivers, most things I try to install.
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 17:49
What is this creators update? Is that like the new name for a service pack or something?
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 20:04 Edited at: 5th Mar 2018 20:07
More or less I guess.

Certain updates like Anniversary, Creators, etc are actually considered "feature updates" or full on "upgrades" and will produce a windows.old

"Incompatible" software will often get disabled requiring a repair or reinstall (looking at you cisco) and a lot of Windows settings get set back to defaults.

Creators wiped out my start menu on one machine, on another, a user profile became completely unable to elevate permissions (run as administrator), always disables cisco vpn and now anything less than the current version of symantec and on all of them. on several, Client Access now has to be run as admin to launch, 1 had to reinstall Outlook and 1 had to be rejoined to the domain...
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Posted: 5th Mar 2018 22:03
That sounds like a big headache. Hopefully I don't run into any compatibility issues.
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When scheduled to run hourly, this batch file prevents automatic updates.
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