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Work in Progress / Great! Thats all you need. Yet another IDE!

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Posted: 4th Jan 2004 17:48 Edited at: 4th Jan 2004 17:49
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Ah, ok, sorry bout the dll thing, i feel kinda dumberer now...

But, on the bright side, I really like the online help system, really good idea.

And the scancode form is a great idea too, shame it returns completely the wrong codes atm. A suggestion for that, make a second button that says Insert Syntax whcih inserts "Scancode(#)" into your code ( replace # with the number ).

The auto-update would be good, but you'd want to bring up a window asking if they wat to, then, once it's downloaded, bring up a text doc or a web page with the changes in it.

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I found the problem. For some reason twilight doesn't like the blue ide's keyword file. When I just have one keyword file it works fine. Maybe Robk can make his so it runs off of the regular keyword file
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Wik: If you send it to me I'll make it so that the Keyword file doesn't mess Twilight up.


Ok - New version. I'm sorry but this one you'll need to download the full installer and install it again. If you want to keep your settings make a copy of the Twilight.ini file and paste it back in once Twilight has set up.

This version adds an online update tool, so probably you won't have to do this again.

This version fixes the Scancode problem, adds the updater, sorts out the long standing problem with twilight user functions and a couple of bugs I forgot what they were by the time I got writing the release notes.

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[href]http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight setup.zip[/href] heres a link to the full installer.

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Posted: 4th Jan 2004 22:03 Edited at: 4th Jan 2004 22:31
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I got the same problem with the BLUE GUI plugin, but I solved it my taking the file out if the keywords folder, running Twilight, quitting it, putting the file back in, then it worked fine.

Tested the scancode inserter, all the keys that return strings work fine, but function keys, arrow keys, spacekey etc. still dont return a number (or they return -1).

Well done on the online help again.

EDIT

Another request, can you add a feature so by highlighting a command in the code injector and pressing F1, the help for that comman appears.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2004 01:05 Edited at: 6th Jan 2004 01:06
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Ok theres a new release. If you have the last version you'll have a shortcut to TwilightUPD.EXE in your program files>twilight folder.

Run that and it should update automatically.

If you don't have the option download: http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight%20setup.zip

and THEN run the updater (having installed twilight.)


Notes:

I took the liberty of going to version no 1.1, hope nobody minds.


Changes: 1.1.0

Right clicking on Code injector keyword now brings up keyword sensitive help

Scancodes mostly sorted - although because of VB limitations I'm having problems with RETURN, ARROWKEYS and

TAB. Will find an API solution to this in the future.

Fixed bug where you save a new project twice it crashes.

Set help so that if an online help cannot be found it uses the standard help instead.

Amended UP DOWN key responses in the codeedit window so that the code scans for functions every change of

line. It slows it down a tiny amount but improves function tracking in the codeedit window.

Amended keyword listing operations to ignore the file BIDEKeywords.ini. Hopefully, this will eliminate any problems with the initial loading stages.

Twilight Settings Window was getting a little on the big side so split into 3 windows.

Fixed minor bug where WindowColor in settings did not display correct color on load.

Added an option to switch the lines that seperate the functions off.

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If anyone is having problems downloading the update it is because I was re-uploading it. It's definately ready now.

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After getting an error with my now infamous test project, I closed it, and tried to create a new project. However, the compilation window was still open...

I noticed that compiling the function list is very slow.

In addition, have you set up the concatenation system yet ?

Finally, I dont think the default compiler values are incorrect - for what happens when trying to compile after creating a new project, see :




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How about.....
an auto formatter or enforced formatting for loops and if statments etc.
so as you finish the line 'for a = 1 to 10, when you press return the next line is indented one tab ( need to be able to set the tab size too)
the from that point if the line you are on has text then the next line is at a simular indent ( unless you do another loop or if) or if the line you are on is blank then it goes back one level of indent.
It makes the code so much easier to read and use, you can forget the formatting.
Its not my idea check out the IDE's for Python at www.python.org its a standard feature.
Not easy to impliment well.

ALSO if you like that try 'folding', each loop if if block can be folded up to just the first line ( or the first and last line ).
This is great in a long program and you want to see more of the code, you can 'hide' loops of code that you know are working and see much more on one page.

If you like programming try Python language at www.python.org
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TCA and Skepsis - thanks for your comments.

TCA:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about a concatenation system. I can't remember ever talking about one. Refresh my memory and I'll see about putting it in.

Quote: "Finally, I dont think the default compiler values are incorrect - for what happens when trying to compile after creating a new project, see :"


Fixed this one now. It was the default EXE filename. For some reason it did this when the default was untitled.exe but when I changed it it started working!!!

Compilation window still open: Ok, I'll sort that.


Skepsis:

Enforced formatting: Definately not. But maybe an auto formatter. I think I'd like to give people the choice.

Setting tab size - this has been mentioned to me - I'll sort it.

Function folding is pretty hard to implement well - I'll certainly look into ways of doing it though.

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New version. To install it just run the online updater which can be found in your Program files>twilight folder. If you don't have it download: http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight%20setup.zip THEN run the updater.


Changes: 1.1.1

Set Twilight to automatically check if your old EXE is still running.

Renamed the default EXE filename - as it stops you encountering certain compiler problems.

Added a taskbar.

Fixed minor problem where compiler status did not hide on new project.

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TCA, would you mind checking that this new version sorts the problem out with your source code that you mentioned above.

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I'll do that later today.


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The dialogue box that appears when closing Twilight, asking if you would like to save. Have another one just the same, but when you close the current project window ( if it has been modified since last save ).

Also, I must say, i like the new buttons.


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YES! No more ctrl+alt+delete!!! Well done on the compiler problem! I really like the new buttons aswell, although one is missing "Add new source code to project".

I tried to add a UDF BTW but I really can't figure out how.

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Bug found... if you try and get help for a command by right clicking on a command in the code injector, and it doesn't have any help, I get a runtime error. (e.g. UDFs or DLLs)

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I don't get that but I'll stick some error checking in there.

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Suggestions:

Some sort of pre-error checking so when you hit F5 the ide checks for basic errors. Also it takes too long for the compiler to close when you type in make object coobe

Make it so the bottom toolbar displays the keyword syntax until you go to a different life or enter another command.

Make it so you can change the font of the bottom bar

One other thing that would be a "nice to have" It would be neat if you could have a spell check on the commands or an auto correct (eg. you type in waitkey and it puts a space in) If you ever decide yo do that make sure it's optional

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Posted: 8th Jan 2004 05:07 Edited at: 8th Jan 2004 05:09
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Only one suggestion from me today;

What about making it so that when you have brackets, if you select the first one, the close of that bracket is highlighted, like this:

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(The black line to the left of the highlighted bracket is the cursor )

Those images where screenshots for C in an IDE called ConTEXT, if you want to have a look at it.

Having the bracket highlighting would be a GREAT help in those long equations when you forget to close one, or put in too many etc etc.

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New release - run the updater to get it or download Twilight from the above link or link on my website THEN run the updater...

Changes:

Right Click Menu put in to code windows.

MUCH MUCH Faster function loading has been put in. Leading to a lot faster loads of projects.

Fixed problem with a cancellation of RGB selector still putting (0,0,0) in.

Adjusted to ensure that clicking on a function or label from the lists goes to that function and puts it at the top of the screen.

Added facility to change backdrop.

Added saving of min/max situation of specific windows.

Changed loading procedure so that only the main window is shown initially.

Fixed bug where if no help exists a right click on the Codeinjector would cause the program to crash.

Amended "About Twilight" image.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
Norton Antivirus doesn't like the updated version:




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Same here:





Another suggestion ( did you read my last one? ) make it so that the first time you open Twilight, it loads in all the keywords files etc. Then, subsequent times Twighlight is opened, have it check to see if the keywords files have changed ( byte size, and additional files ) and if it hasn't, don't update the keywords list, just use the last one that was used by Twighlight, but, if there is a change, reload the lot.

Don't know how possible this is, but still, worth a try to reduce initial loading of Twighlight.

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It is definately not a virus - I have Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition on my home and work pc's, it is VERY up to date and it picked up nothing. I'll do a full system scan when I get home to reassure people and scan the code to see what it is in the code that might be causing Norton Home Edition to react.

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Double checked with Symantec and MS websites. This is because of script blocking in Norton 2002/03/04. It is because I am using the Filesystemobject which is a scripting object and Norton is assuming it is a malicious script.

See here for more information:

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2001031512460406?Open&src=bar_sch_nam&docid=2001020912195106&nsf=nav.nsf&view=396b6ccde72d4a4d882569fc006071d4&dtype=&prod=&ver=&osv=&osv_lvl=

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q295/3/75.ASP&NoWebContent=1

http://www.aspfaq.com/show.asp?id=2180

Those articles should give you all the information you need.

In this case the script is benign and a required part of Twilight therefore just pick the option to "Authorize this script". In a future release I'll just stop using the FSO and use IOStreams instead which won't cause this problem.

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Quote: "I'm not sure I understand what you mean about a concatenation system. I can't remember ever talking about one. Refresh my memory and I'll see about putting it in."

Its joining multiple lines into one, eg :

box 1,_
1,_
1,_
1_

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box 1,1,1,1

Its important as I use it a lot.

Haven't tried the editor again yet - hope to over the weekend...


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No problem for me (but then again I don;t have norton ). I really like the new background.

EDIT

I'll say the function loading's quicker .

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Building the function list is still very slow for large projects...


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TCA, have you run the updater program? I've found the new version is much more rapid?

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Yeah TCA, it takes 3 secs to load a project with 4500 lines and 53 functions and labels. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

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Yes, its still very slow - its not the initial loading thing when the program starts, its the one performed when loading a new project.

It takes around 27 seconds.

I can send the complete project if you like...


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Just thought of another thing that tyhe original editor had. To-do list, so you can add new to-do things, and tick them off as they're done. I'm thinking maybe have a window with a tabs control that has "Project notes", "To-do", and "Done" tabs. The notes would just be a text box for notes, the to-do and done lists could be list that you could add and take away from, but you could also have a button by each entry saying "Send to done" or "Send to to-do", depending on the list. This would move them from list to list as I think having a list with a tick by the ones that is done is hard to read.

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Ok new version. It can be downloaded using the updater.

Would any norton users mind checking if this update sorts the issue out?

TCA - there ya go. Just for you. Concatenation.

There is now a new installer for those that haven't downloaded a recent version. Find it on my website - www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk

Changes:

Its now possible to concatenate lines using the _
symbol.

To-Do list added.

Changed most file operations so that they use
IOStreams instead of the filesystemobject. This should
result in a minor increase in loading speed and fix
problem where Norton objects to my use of the FSO,
with any luck.

Changed the text in project settings so that version
was spelt correctly.


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Hamish - I'll modify the to do so it splits done and not done up - but I didn't have time to do it this week.

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I'll try that later - thanks.


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No Norton problems


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Thats much better, everything works quicker now. Cancatenation is fine too...


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I find once I've opened the to-do list, whether I close it or not, it always stays open when I load the editor. Also if you change the capitalizing keywords option, it only takes effect when you restart the editor. Other than that I am really having trouble finding any more bugs . Well done Glenn (for now ).

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Hamish, thanks, I've already sorted that issue and one or two minor bugs. I think I'm getting to full version status...

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Theres a new version - I'm afraid it will need to be a full download of the setup program this time as I needed to add some controls to Twilight.

Find it here:

http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight setup.zip



Changes: 0.9.12

Added support for scripting Twilight using VBScript.

Fixed bug where RGB call responded with a message box saying "Hmmm...". That was part of my internal testing and I forgot to take it out.

Fixed bug where RGB came up with 0,0,0 even if you cancelled the operation.

Fixed bug where the to do list always opened on startup.


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Ok,

New update. Should be back to running the updater.

Check your version of twilight before running the updater prog - if it is NOT version 0.9.12 or you don't have Twilight installed at all then you'll need to download the full setup program:

http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight setup.zip

Then run the updater...


Changes: 0.9.14

Added Type viewer.

Added Var Viewer.

Added Refresh Functions/Labels/Vars option.


Changes: 0.9.13

Fixed bug where recent files where not properly replacing old files.

Added three new functions to the scripting Twilight object.

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Good work . Here are some bugs I have found...

1. When you have written a TYPE statement and you press return the type doesn't appear in the list.

2. Only variables defined with DIM statements (ie. arrays) are put in the variables box. You could always have an array list and a variables list if you wanted, either way would work.

3. I think pressing return after an ENDFUNCTION or ENDTYPE etc. should update the function or whatever it happens to be. Request not bug.

4. Was going to say you need a refresh lists option, but I just spotted it, well done!

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1 That happens until you close the type. Otherwise it can't determine the elements of the type so it ignores it.

2 That has been pointed out to me. I will fix it ASAP.

3 Ok the ENDTYPE one already does that. The principles are the same for ENDFUNCTION so I'll sort it for next release.

4 You can also access it through Right Click menu.


Thanks to everyone that has commented on Twilight and anyone that wishes to can still add to whats been said. I'm happy to add functions, features where appropriate and possible, so keep them coming.

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Hi,

I've updated Twilight - you should be able to use the updater to update it. It will take longer because I've added a little app for the viewing of models...

For someone who has not yet tried it out you can download the latest version from:

http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight setup.zip


Changes: 0.9.15

Added Model Browser functionality.

Fixed bug where ENDTYPE did not go back and find the beginning of the type.

Added TAB sizing options.

Typing KEYSTATE now brings up the scancode picker.

Registers GLOBALS and CONSTANTS as variables.

Fixed problem which occurred when you directly loaded a DBA file by clicking on it.


Sorry for the delay, but I've been really busy recently.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2004 22:49
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The updater doesn't work . Says "session timed out" or something.

Do you bite your thumb at me sir?

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Posted: 30th Jan 2004 10:47
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I get a run-time error 76 (Path not found), when using the updater...


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Posted: 30th Jan 2004 11:02 Edited at: 30th Jan 2004 11:06
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TCA, Did you download the full setup from my message of 17th Jan 2004? That version updated the updater to accept more file types and set up the paths its referring to.

Hamish, its probably because there is so much data going through. It might work if you try it again...

In any case, if the updater doesn't work you can still update by downloading the full setup program (which I've also updated to the current version):

http://www.eclipsedevelopment.co.uk/twilight/twilight setup.zip

If you do get the full installer, please save you twilight.ini file if you want to save your settings.

Sorry for the problems with it. Once I get to a stage where I don't have anything large to add to Twilight (Release Candidate 1), updater use should stabilize.

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Posted: 30th Jan 2004 17:42
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Yeah, it works now . Just took a while. The image viewer is good apart from the image doesn't move with the window. The model viewer works great but I reckon should automatically fit the model in the camera view somehow, and also controlling it with the mouse is waaaay too fast, makes it unuable (maybe something to do with the 1000 frames per second, or possibly cos I was viewing a small model, i suspect the latter as the rotation was the right speed (degrees don't change with size)).

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Posted: 31st Jan 2004 01:50 Edited at: 31st Jan 2004 02:08
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I believe so... I just downloaded the latest version & installed that...
You do have a very slow web site though - aside from taking ages to down load the complete program, the updater takes ages to start download the editor. A cancel button would be nice too.


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Posted: 6th Feb 2004 19:52
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New update: Works via the updater...

Another big update unfortunately, however, next update I'm going to make a serious effort to improve the updater. Theres a bunch of things that could be improved on it and I want to get it to a pro state.


Changes: 0.9.16

Added Codehelp function. (Which can be turned off in twilight settings). Codehelp is a drop down list of matching commands that show when you type. Like VB IDE.

Added the ability to switch off/hide status bar.

Added the ability to switch off/hide toolbar.

Amended Model Browser so that it is more responsive to height depending on size.


I'd really like comments on the codehelp facility.

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Posted: 6th Feb 2004 20:35
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Nice start on the code help. Although I notice a few things wrong with it. When you backspace it restarts the detection, eg. if you have "prin" typed it, but not selected, then you go onto it and press backspace so that "pri" is now typed it comes up with "if". You can then type more stuff, rg. if you typed "n" then it would come up with "inc" as if it started a new word. Also, typing something like "object interpolation" when you have typed "object int" it recognises the word as "int" and starts a new word. Also I think you should hide it when you start the program, just a tiny thing.

The model browser doesn't seem to work at all now. It just comes up with a black screen .

Keep going, and well done.

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