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The 20 Line Challenge / The twenty line challenge is pointless.

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Sethric
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The twenty line challenge is a very simple and stupid idea in the stage that it's in now. Why doesn't someone just put their entire game engine on one line?

It needs improvements. (I.E. for a more abstract challenge don't even use the colon.)

In one way or another we all waste time.
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Richard Davey
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Posted: 13th Apr 2004 22:25
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If you've ever tried it, you'll soon realise you cannot put all programs on one line.

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comando 300
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yeah, there's a character limitation(each line just can handle 255 characters) and the rules says 25 command per lines and a very good program use more than 20 lines of codes.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2004 01:53
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the challenge is great, go away

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Dgamer
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dbpro dont have the 255 char limition and it still is impossible to put some progs in one line

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Manticore Night
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I know this is off topic but N30F15H, that avatar's amazing. Did you model it yourself?

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Tomy
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you should maybe announce a winner every month, cuz if not I tend to agree Sethric that the 20-line challenge is pointless in the current stage...

But I still think it's one of the greatest ideas and it is always interesting what ppl can crunch into 20 lines, but without a winner... erm.. i don't know


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NathanF
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I tried that. Once you use an 'if' statement, you have to go to the next line. So yeah, pretty much impossible.

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Tomy
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Posted: 15th Apr 2004 20:46 Edited at: 22nd May 2004 04:10
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no look at this one:



or like this



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why do some peeps have to be negative all the freekin time?

The compo is a bit of fun dood.. CHILL!


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Manticore Night
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Posted: 20th Apr 2004 05:41
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Quote: "if a = 1 then blahblahblah : "then continue"
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Tomy
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Posted: 20th Apr 2004 21:03 Edited at: 22nd May 2004 04:10
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Again for all those who seems not to be able to follow my easy to understand example



understood?


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Mussi
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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 23:20 Edited at: 21st Apr 2004 23:20
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try to put this one in one line with 'then' :



thats when it becomes hard, it really is usefull to try and make a 20 liner as you'll need to learn to optimise your code.



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Tomy
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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 00:18 Edited at: 22nd May 2004 04:10
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that's why i included the other code snippet...



lol you're right the blahblahblah is wrong there


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Van B
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LOL!

The 20 line forum is as relevant as any other forum IMO, we're all programming as a hobby after all. 20 liners are a challenge to see how much you can fit onto your 20 lines - surely the real competition is to see who can get the most out of their limited code. People have written FPS games, tetris clones, cool demos, and it's somewhere to quickly grab working code examples that you can mess around with, newbies would do well to try as many 20-liners as they can and learn from them.


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Zenincanin 14
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Yes, but it would still be nice if there was a winner everymonth.

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NathanF
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im not sure, i might be doing something wrong.
But this code don't work
So can anyone tell me why?



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Tomy
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Posted: 2nd May 2004 15:14 Edited at: 22nd May 2004 04:10
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you cannot use more than 1 if then statements on one line!



This should work!


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NathanF
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thanks, i fixed it up with if/endif
if upkey()=1:move camera 5:endif:if downkey()=1:move camera -5:endif
hahaha,i wrecked myself...

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@tomy and Dark Sephiroth

Quote: "you cannot use more than 1 if then statements on one line![/qoute]

This statement is wrong. You can use multiple if-then statements on one line. But the result is the same as:



[quote]
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Tomy
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Posted: 6th May 2004 22:16 Edited at: 22nd May 2004 04:11
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I meant it like that:



this doesn't work, does it?


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Emperor Baal
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it will work, but there are two results:



if statement1=0 then a=3 : if statement2=2 then a=0

would be

if statement1=0
a=3
if statement2=2 then a=0
endif



if statement1=0 : a=3 : endif : if statement2=2 : a=0 : endif

would be

if statement1=0 then a=3
if statement2=2 then a=0


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Ian T
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25 command per line limit. 20 lines. 500 commands. A bit big for a real 'challenge', but saying you can fit serious projects on to one line-- IE 25 commands-- is asinine.

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Flashing Blade
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Posted: 25th May 2004 23:34 Edited at: 25th May 2004 23:35
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I did a 20 line pac-man ( won too )
One of my lines had over 7000 (yep seven thousand) characters.
WooT


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if you ask me, the whole point of having the twenty line challenge is to give people some sort of challenge. it doesn't hurt anything to have it. however, i agree. there should be a winner each month. it isn't stupid.
by the way, mussi, what is that image from in your signature?

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Hamish McHaggis
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Just to clear this up, since everyone seems a bit sketchy on this.

When you use if-then, every command on the same line is within the if statement, so this...



is equal to this...



If you wanted to put it all on the same line with the for-next loop outside the if statement you would use endif, like so...



The 20 line comp isn't stupid as the rules are you can only have 20 commands on a line, commands being things separated by colons.

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