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M00NSHiNE
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Posted: 5th May 2004 20:28
You made a response that sparked a few unhappy replies. Nothing personal, obviously, just a point.

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Look I didn't do anything wrong...I may have oversaid my point which was mainly "This is a programming forum, so it doesn't matter what kind of genders hang out here" like others said, so why do we have to keep discussing this? Everyone knows this is what happens when someone starts another "Where are the girls?" thread. (Which I've seen way too much of)
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Posted: 5th May 2004 20:58
this topic a false thing.

Were wana to get a girlfriend, go to street, and get one... or get three..

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Quote: "I'm just saying it's much easier to get a gf in real life then stalk one on-line... "
LOL... really? can you give examples of your stalking prowess?

It's funny, everytime we get a thread about women (and generally they are of the "Where are all the girls????" variety), then we get a massive orbitation of replies in a short time.... hmmm.. along with some semi-sexist remarks... hmmm... erm, so here is a cute Newzealand story type bird to keep you happy

Bugger, just added to it myself.... suffering suketash. Or somesuch.

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Posted: 5th May 2004 21:42
maybe i should have said..."This thread is pointless"


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Posted: 5th May 2004 21:45 Edited at: 5th May 2004 21:46
why did you give a link to a recipe for "Suffering Succotash"


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Posted: 5th May 2004 21:52 Edited at: 5th May 2004 21:55
For spelling and educational purposes, of course.
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We have absoltuley NO(I mean NO!!!!) input from girls I'm a gonna make a new thread called "calling all girls, male porn right here" then I'll make a link to here. But no male porn. Wait or I could shut up and listen to the Bohemian Rhapsody, I see a little siloutte of a man, scattabouch,scattabouch...

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Or you could lay off the for a bit, eh?

Just kidding you know.

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Quote: "We have absoltuley NO(I mean NO!!!!) input from girls"

Really? I think you will find there is one on page one. I know - I sat beside her when she wrote it!

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Posted: 6th May 2004 14:22
Quote: "Girl coders aren't all bad"

They sure aren't, as Van-B mentioned, it was multi who made the best tech demo for DBC back in the days. Equilibrium demos were very nice.

as for the dating thingy. Admit it already. we're bunch of loosers. So even if some single female coder would pop in here, what are the chances? Not worth a try. So why couldn't we act normally?

What's really scary is that there are more of the "unknown gender" type of people than girls in DB community.


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Actually, there are more male noobs that pop out. They show up like little annoying things, and keep bumping threads and whatnot. Burn them all!!! Haha


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Quote: "Actually, there are more male noobs that pop out."

Probably because more males pop out than females

Or imagine the cries "RUN FAR" on a packed trainer! Somebody fizzing with the mouth becoming insane absolutely having an adjustment ROFLFLF
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Quote: "Actually, there are more male noobs that pop out. They show up like little annoying things, and keep bumping threads and whatnot. Burn them all!!! Haha"




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Posted: 6th May 2004 17:34
Female game programmers. Now that's special.

Randi's game programming was a whim, she lead me to believe. Basically, it became a hobby, then she got a bit too much sh*t in this forum, and she left because that's all it was - a whim. She wasn't too bothered. She just got bored.

Coding is a lads thing though, because if you're serious about it, you have to be smart, logical, a geek, and have a history in computers. Now, women can be smart - granted. Some women can be logical ... but the numbers are falling. Some women can be geeks, but not half as bad as lads. And finally, messing around with computers is always a blokey thing. Same with guns, fighting, swearing, penis and mum jokes, farting in your friends face, opening beer bottles with your teeth, practical jokes, cars and racist/sexist/obesist etc. humour.

hehe. Obviously some women get into coding, but it's just society that kinda defines which sex is most likely to be interested in game development, and there it is. Software engineering at uni - 100 peoples, and 4 girls. My new course, which is similar - 100 people, 3 girls. The maths is against em!

But anyway, to wrap up my bored rant as I try and avoid starting exam revision ...

I'm all for female coders, but no more so than men. Whoever! However, if you have this little inkling in the back of your mind telling you that it'd be sweet to date a girl who was into making games, so you could make games together. Ya know, you're probably right. But, there's a whole lot more ladies into the arty side of things - 3D modelling, graphics design etc. My Mrs does Computer Animation and Visualisation at uni, which means she does a whole lot of 3D modelling and animation, and when her work is out the way, she's gonna give me a hand with games. And damn, she is good. You know the Dawn demo for NVidia, where the pixie pulls facial expressions? She pisses all over that with her work ... well, not litterally.

Uhh, but anyway, I'm losing track. Yeah, female coders - ace. But if you like the idea of a girlfriend you can work on projects with, go for the arty types. More to choose from, and fitter! Art work and sexiness, it directly proportional. There is nothing sexy about coding .... ... I'm just just be an exception.

Bahah. Ok, time for revision. I have wasted enough time chatting crap.

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Quote: "More to choose from, and fitter!"

So are you calling my gf ugly?

Why I oughta ........!

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Posted: 6th May 2004 19:40
My current date is actually a programmer aswell, in the same college as me doing a multimedia course, and my best friend's girlfriend is in the same class as her, and both can outcode a lot of male programmers I know.
Personally, I don't agree with programmers always being geeks. I myself have spent more time in pubs and clubs socialising in the last couple of months than I've spent programming, and I'm doing a programming course :-P

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Posted: 6th May 2004 20:11
@Scraggle - nah, I'm sure you're Mrs is lovely.

@Kentaree
Admit it son! We're geeks. But these days geeks can have friends and have sex too! It's official! We're all living proof! (well not all of us - hopefully none of the minors anyway)

Nah, but you can get away with coding games more these days. It's not frowned upon as being for losers. So long as you back it up with a bit of a social life, who can argue? Games programming for me runs side by side with my music, for which I am signed. I quite often get people who listen to my music thinking it's strange I am a games programmer, and vice versa. Lots of people think it's strange that I sit in my room coding games while DJs play my music in clubs.

I personally think it's better than any other art, because it can encompass them all, and more ... and plus you have to be fairly smart, where as anyone with half a brain can whip a blank canvas with a paint covered bike chain and call it "Tricycle Massacre". Plus I can put my music in my games. I can't put my games in my music. Hence why games programming is more rewarding.

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See, fallout comes along and makes it all good. Fallout's cool

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Who wants to join CCC?!?! The Cool Coder Clan?!?!?!

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Peter H
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Quote: "Who wants to join CCC?!?! The Cool Coder Clan?!?!?! "

oooh! ooh! can i join!!!! pretty please! i can be cool! ......

oh.... wait...


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M00NSHiNE
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Im in. .

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Yay! Who wants lemonade?!?!

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Quote: " Yay! Who wants lemonade?!?!"




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Posted: 6th May 2004 22:25
@fallout, fit is a crap word, use something else


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Posted: 6th May 2004 22:44
Oki how about eye-candy
Personally don't see myself as a geek, not in the traditional sense atleast. Even though my other half says I'm a bigger geek than her, she's a professor in Visual Dynamics for Video Display Units or something like that.
(in other words she knows crap-loads about monitors and such)

I guess when you are geeks you can have more imaginative arguments atleast; I mean with my last Ex she was a typical blonde who was a nanny, and we argued constantly about how she thought i was looking at other woman and stuff like that ... she barely liked going down the pub, she flirted with everyone and thought my work was stupid and boring (even though it has been enjoyed by millions through a console or cinematic screen.)
With my current girl all our arguments are about pretty relative terms, like why she thinks Linux is better than Windows; or if I can down 8 pints at once and still be able to stand...

Suppose it helps that she's irish but still, i've found alot of the girls who are 'geeks' tend to be one hell of alot more fun to hang with. That and most of them ain't half bad either, i mean you don't really ever see any pug-ugly you wouldn't touch with your best friends one eye'd snake ... most go from adverage-to-god damn!

(particularly in the 3d artist area hehee)


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Quote: "I reckon the only female DB oldbie would be Multi, she coded the equilibrium demos but abandoned DB some time ago"
I thought it was Traci? And she left to reprogram Equillibrium in Blitz if I remember rightly.

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Quote: "And she left to reprogram Equillibrium in Blitz if I remember rightly.
"

No, that was the excuse

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No.

@Raven - agreed on the woman front. A nice happy medium between geek girl and beech babe is where it's at.

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Posted: 7th May 2004 11:21 Edited at: 7th May 2004 11:24
Can you believe that's the second time I've gotten Multi and Traci mixed up? - the last time Multi came along and gave me a clip round the ear. Sorry Traci.

IIRC Equilibrium got shelved, and MojoMagic started on a new RPG project.

Here's a link to the website (some freakin awesome artwork too):
http://www.mojomagic.co.uk/


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God damn! ... i remember people trying to get me to work with Multi back in 2000 when i was with Vapourware; know i can see why.
Girl got mad skills.


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Hehe, that's actually her (traci's) boyfriends artwork, I think he's a pro. Gotta love that colored concept art.


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ahh.. oki; if he's a pro then i'm a lil less impressed.
but still good concept artwork

you know i always wanted to work with IPAK, pitty Vapourware broke apart before we got a chance to.


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I wouldn't normally post a private message session without first checking it was ok to do so but in this case the person said turrah before I could check and well, I found it so funny I didn't really want to hear a NO so I didn't ask... Instead i'll just with-hold the user name of who I was chatting too:

Person: hey man, I admire your courage!!!
Andy Igoe: ello
Person: man did you really go to a local school, and try to get a girl... was that stuff true>
Andy Igoe: ROFL
Person: answer!
Andy Igoe: what do you really think?
Person: yes

Andy Igoe: on a totally different subject, did you know the word gulleable has been taken out of the dictionary?
Person: why?
Andy Igoe: because nobody uses it anymore, I was suprised too, but I noticed it was missing the other day when I was looking up how to spell guacamaly (note I still cant spell it !)
Person: what does guacmaly mean?
Andy Igoe: guaccamaly is a type of food that I cannot spell
Person: oh, hawian or something?
Andy Igoe: I really dont know

Person: did you really do that thing at the local school?I must know!
Andy Igoe: do you really think the word gulleable has been removed from the dictionary?
Person: Well it's what you said...I believe you
Andy Igoe: I pray that you are not the future generation that i'll be leaving this planet too... !

Person: come on man...
Person: PLEASE
Person: I need to know, If you did it then you have guts!!!!
Person: OK sorry if you don't wanna say,but come on it's funny

Andy Igoe: I have plenty of guts, but i'm really not interested in picking up an immature annoying brat for a girl friend. Hense I did not hang out at my local school. The fact that it is illegal for me to pull a teeny doesnt bother me, the fact that I would pull a teeny does.
Person: So ...you didn't???
Andy Igoe: and gulleable has not been removed from the dictionary
Person: I mean just for fun, OK please don't say lies then...anyway gtg bye!
Andy Igoe: ROFL!


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How old was "person"?

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hmm judging on the gullable bit; 2? 4 maybe

+why is it his business if u did or not

+why all the fuss about pedophiles, there are just as many as there were EVER + its easier to catch them due to the fact that its almost impossible no avoid being caught especially when the average fool can only just turn the PC on!


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I croosed the line...

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huh?


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I think Karlos was the 'person' in that conversation...


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I was wondering who that weird old guy hanging around my school was...

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^lol

you wonder why people expect girls to point out that they're girls when there is this sort of attitude towards them (talking about the thread as a whole, not just last few posts)

it could also be that the girls have the sense to use the "search thread" function on this site and hence don't produce so many repeated, pointles, threads like the n00bs (which are mainly guys) so we don't notice them as much

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Quote: "it could also be that the girls have the sense to use the "search thread" function on this site and hence don't produce so many repeated, pointles, threads like the n00bs (which are mainly guys) so we don't notice them as much
"


so girls are smarter?


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actually i meant the girls here are probably smarter than the dumb n00bs that keep posting the same thread over and over so we don't notice them because they don't create as many threads, you can't clasify a whole gender as being better than the other at something.

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Actually, with coding I think we can.

Males and females use their brains differently, Men use the right side of their brain, while women use the wrong side (sorry I mean left). The right hand side of your brain deals with logic, the left deals with emotion - so women are better with emotions (at least more expressive), and men are more logical.

There's always exceptions of course, but from my own experiences I'd certainly say that men are better coders, women have much better interpersonal skills than men though. If you see a woman sitting at a desk in any development house, it's far more likely that she's working on media than code.


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A lot of general designers and also musicans are girls in dev houses.

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Yeah... I guess girls are smarter...
mm0zct is right, most men always post threads 'cuz they don't know what to do...(including me on the dumb men)

Not all women are emotional (or something...), my 3 sis always kicks my butt whenever I slack at our job...


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Hmm, emotional isn't the right word. I'd say girls are more relational, meaning they have a soft spot for anything that has to do with their relationship (not in an intimate sense) with people around them.

edit: btw, nice sig image, Raven!


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Nah, I would'nt say females are more into relationships than males - if anything it appears to me like relationships between women are often hostile and usually temporary. A woman will bitch about her friends all the time, they can wipe a friend from their lives without second thought. Men are different, we tend to stick with the same group of friends for most of our lives - we don't get bitchy or fall out, when men do fall out it's usually resolved within minutes. This is just the way I see it, I often get tired of stereotypical but non-existant girly girls who love their friends and stay together to the end blahdabladablah - these girls don't exist - well they do, in our minds. Strange though, but girls often become best friends with men and they certainly don't treat men the same as they treat each other - some of the best friends I have are women and I don't even want to sleep with them that much!.


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Depends where the girls are from and thier background as with all people.

Don't really think an entire post on them is really going to help to make them want to come here.
At the end of the day we're all coder, who cares if someone is looking at something from a different angle ... sometimes that is actually exactly what is needed.

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