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Lzdude69
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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 07:08
I just wanted to see if there are any gamecube fans among the members of the great, TGC.

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Oh hell yes.


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Nope, Teh gamecube 5uX!


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It r0x0rs.

Better than that hunk of a PC, xbox :p

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 08:00
Please don't start a console war. Every console has it's pros and cons. Also, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 11:43
:: puts his hand up ::
oh oh me!! me!!

^_^ I think the cube is definately the best right now.
So many sweetness games, such an awesome controller, oh and games are like SOOOOOO cheap it almost hurts.

yup paying for gaming, not a new computer hehee

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 11:52
amen to that raven, and its only 100$! You know what would be cool, if you could setup a lan party with consoles, that would be so freakin awesome You know one of the best graphical games I have ever seen, is the rogue squadron games, damn the textures are so sweet, and not ot mention the sound, god knows that little cube has better sound then its enemies.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 13:51
Quote: "So many sweetness games, such an awesome controller, oh and games are like SOOOOOO cheap it almost hurts."

Hmmm... He just described a Dreamcast right there...

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 14:25
I think games that are available online between all the consoles should allow inter-console gaming.

Say "Game A" was on PS2, GCN, and XBox. 3 friends who each had a different console should be able to all play Game A online with eachother.


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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 16:12
Yeah The cube is nice and cheap and has sweet Games like Four Swords and Tales of Sympony with the new zelda coming out and things and has the two original zeldas with Orcarena of time and master quest and majoras mask. But What i hate the most is Stupid people that think that the other systems are better because of price so Nintendo is going to make there next system expensive grrrrrrr. I think about $300.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 18:38
GameCube definitly has the best controller. I like all systems really, but personally GameCube is my favorite. Mario Cart is just so fun with four people.



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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 18:49
I do love the controller.

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Posted: 27th Jul 2004 23:58
Inter-console gaming wouldn't work, it would destroy the market for example if A had a ps2 and B wanted to play online with him then he could get anything he wanted a ps2, xbox or gamecube (most likely whichever was cheapest) so eventually Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give up on having the best console (thereby killing off alot of the gamig market who want newer, better and faster things) they just produce cheap crap!

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 00:49
true, but I think the cube needs more online games. I thinl you should be able to set up a lan network.

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You can with Mario Kart.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 02:47
"Orcarena of time and master quest and majoras mask"

since when? the disc i got only has OOT and MQ..!

"I think about $300"

how much did the GC cost when it came out? $250 i believe.. the XBOX and PS2 both cost $300 when they came out too, and look now.

personally i'm happier with my gamecube than i would be with a PS2 or an XBOX, even though i only have 5 games for it. they're the only 5 console games i like


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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 02:49
Sorry guys, but NGC severely lacks with games that were released on all 3 systems.

I know for a fact that companies will cut features out of the NGC version because there's such little space on their discs. Also, the NGC versions are developed for last by most companies, if not all (aside from Nintendo of course).

That being said, the NGC has great games that are only available for it (i.e. Zelda, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime, etc.).

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 02:56
true, but that thing has got more power than all three. I think that in time, developers are gonna start to realize the capabilities of the cube, and start making more games for it, I mean everyone who is anyone has got one, its only a $100 people.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 02:57 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 02:58
i hate it when they release games on everything *but* the gamecube. i think what people need to get over is the size of the disc and *span* the game. the playstation did just fine with it, and so did the RE games for the GC.

the GC holds its own against the XBOX most times graphically. it IS a powerful system, it's just that it has a kiddy image (and only because people GAVE it that image. thanks a lot fanboys).


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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 03:05
Quote: "I know for a fact that companies will cut features out of the NGC version because there's such little space on their discs."

for a fact huh? A gamecube's mini-disk holds almost 2 gigs you
JACKASS.... how is that too little???
oh sorry I got a little carried away I hate these discussions
because PS2 and XBOX fans are to f***ing blind too see that Gamecube
kills all competition except the PC!
I mean come on did you see Resident Evil 4 and The New Zelda's graphics they slaughter PS2 and Beat the XBOX's graphics


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The thing is, I didn't get a gamecube to play games that were on the PC too.

I like to pick-up-and-play the GC, even now I still enjoy the odd bout of ISS 2 now, even it's been superceded by 78 EA titles in teh past two years.

It's what a console should be - it leaves the PC to its own game (games like far cry etc.) while allows me to play some fun time wasters

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 03:41
Quote: "I know for a fact that companies will cut features out of the NGC version because there's such little space on their discs."


GameCube discs can hold either 1.5-2.6 GB per disc.
Playstation2 and X-Box use DVD capable of holding upto 4.2 GB per disc.

GameCube CAV system can access data in <130ms with upto 2.7 MB/second
Playstation2 and X-Box are only capable of 150ms with upto 1.2 MB/second

The only developers that would omit game features on the GameCube are developers are are grossly abusing the space they have on the media.
Remember almost every PC Game *STILL* comes on generally 2CDs, which only hold a Max 720MB (generally speaking they're 640MB format).
Although you can argue the space is different, there is nothing that tells developers they cannot use more than one game disc...

Just look at Resident Evil Zero and Remake. Both of them come on 2 Discs, as does Solid Snake : Twin Snakes.
Saying the small disc size is 'too restricting' is just pure bull.

And I know for a fact that Console developers will *NOT* omit features between platforms. Publisher will not allow you to, because it means business will be lost on a particular platform.
Although a developer might sleep at night knowing that they're not supporting a particular platform properly, a publisher will have nightmares of lost revenue

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 03:48
Quote: "for a fact huh? A gamecube's mini-disk holds almost 2 gigs you
JACKASS.... how is that too little???"


Yes I know "for a fact huh". I work in the industry. Now who's a jackass.

Quote: "And I know for a fact that Console developers will *NOT* omit features between platforms. Publisher will not allow you to, because it means business will be lost on a particular platform."


Before you make such bold statements compare most EA Sports titles between Xbox/PS2 and NGC and you'll see that many things will have been cut for the NGC. Do you want examples?

And yes I'm not just talking out of my ass here, ladies.

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Yes, I want examples... As I don't play EA Sport titles, quite simply because they're a waste of the industries resources that and most of them are pap.


No doubt your now going to go down a list of things like 'the 2005 uniforms in the 2004 edition of NHL were omitted' and stuff like that, which isn't a feature... that's an addon.
It further more wouldn't KILL the development teams for these games to use a second disc, and if they are REALLY using more than 1.5GB just for a sodding game then WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WITH ALL THAT SPACE?!

Jesus, Dark Alliance was packed onto a single Disc with 4hrs of CG Video and over 100hours of gameplay!
What do you guys have... a few uniforms, a handful of animations (oh plus silly dances) and a tonne of stadiums that look basically identical.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 05:53
Quote: "No doubt your now going to go down a list of things like 'the 2005 uniforms in the 2004 edition of NHL were omitted' and stuff like that, which isn't a feature... that's an addon."


I know the difference between a feature and an add-on. The PS2 version of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkhaban supports the eye-toy--- I know that's not a feature per se.

BUT

Example 1: Marc Crawford strategy videos were removed from the NGC version of NHL 2004 but in every other version (including PC).

Example 2: Enter the Matrix for the NGC has movies removed

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Quote: "Example 1: Marc Crawford strategy videos were removed from the NGC version of NHL 2004 but in every other version (including PC)."

It wouldn't have killed them to use a second disc and added them though would it?

Quote: "Example 2: Enter the Matrix for the NGC has movies removed"


o_0 is that even on the GC? I didn't know it was on there.
That said, again this isn't a feature... and it is just plain laziness on the developers part.

None of this has anythig to do with the restrictions of space, it is pure damn laziness is what it is.
ESPECIALLY example one... i mean FFS, the GC Disc is capable of holding more data than 2x PC-CDs combined.

And considering i've not seen either for sale for the GameCube in Game, i'm going to just have to take your word that these things are omited. Question is are these games released outside of the US?

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 06:10 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 06:10
How many CDs does the PC version of enter the matrix take up?

Raven, it is on GC - NGC gave it something like 72%. It's meant to be mediocre.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 06:13
PC version took 2 CDs, they could've fit it on one without those silly movies. They didn't really add much to it, and certainly didn't "help tie in" the storyline.

I still stand by my comment, this is all pure Developer laziness.

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GC CD = 2 PC CDs
enter the matrix with movies = 2 PC CDs

Shouldn't it be able to fit onto a GC cd then?

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 06:26
Quote: "I still stand by my comment, this is all pure Developer laziness."


It's more than that. There's a reason why many of the publishers are canning their NGC titles altogether--- market share. There's a tremendous amount of PS2s and Xboxes out there compared to the NGC, that's just a known fact.

Quote: "Total U.S. Sales (To Nov. 2003)

1. PS2 - 20.25 Million
2. X-Box - 6.64 Million
3. GCN - 5.7 Million"


Taken from http://www.nintendohead.com/news/65/

For that matter, most developers make games for the PS2 first, or PS2/Xbox, *then* the NGC and PC. It's just a sad fact but it's true. It's not laziness per se because if the NGC had 20.25 million console sales, you can bet that they would cram every last feature onto the NGC versions.

Quote: "Question is are these games released outside of the US?"


I know that NHL 2004 was released in Europe as well because hockey is huge there too.

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lol, between 6.6 and 5.7 is not that big, when compared with 20

Quote: "I know that NHL 2004 was released in Europe as well because hockey is huge there too."


The games always get good reviews - but I don't think it's huge here.

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Quote: "The games always get good reviews - but I don't think it's huge here."


Oops--- I meant in the Scandinavian section of Europe it's huge Especially since the game has the Elite leagues in there to play too!

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Yeah, I heard in Latvia it's the national sport. No joke.

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Quote: "Quote: "for a fact huh? A gamecube's mini-disk holds almost 2 gigs you
JACKASS.... how is that too little???"

Yes I know "for a fact huh". I work in the industry. Now who's a jackass."

According to the posts above you have been arguing with Raven
so YOU ARE and besides you made me mad

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Quote: "According to the posts above you have been arguing with Raven
so YOU ARE and besides you made me mad"


Um, ok. *cough* fanboy *cough*

Don't get me wrong, NGC is great. I'm actually looking for a used copy of Super Monkey Ball 2, and I love Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing. I'm just stating the facts, though :-P

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I know
besides I'm just playing around

but you've gotta admit the NGC has better quality exclusive games then PS2 and Xbox like Harvest Moon, Resident Evil 4, Star Fox 2,
Metroid Prime 1 & 2, The Legend of Zelda series, Pokemon... geez did I say that in Public and many others


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Oh and it has better graphics than PS2 (and you know it )

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Quote: "Oh and it has better graphics than PS2 "

The Dreamcast had better graphics than the PS2. Anybody noticed the lack of anti-aliasing in Soul Caliber? And DOA? I admit the FPS rate is higher than that of the DC, but anything higher than 60fps doesn't make much of a difference for our eyes.

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Quote: "Oh and it has better graphics than PS2 (and you know it )"


Please don't get me started as to how much I think the PS2 is inferior to both NGC and Xbox I agree that the graphics in some NGC games are outstanding.

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Oh, Metroid Prime looks great on the NGC. Tried it?


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Unfortunately companies are developing according to console sales *not* game sales.

The problem here lies that companies release for the PS2/X-Box, to see market impact then port.
However UBISoft and THQ have both recently shown that games released on all formats at the same time, the public will buy the games for thier NGC or PC; outselling both the X-Box and PS2 by almost 4x

As such UBISoft and THQ have both announced they're trying to double thier PC and NGC Libraries for 2005.

Also although World Wide the Statistics clearly shows
Playstation2 = ~220million Units
Gamecube = ~83million Units
X-Box = ~54million Units

Developers are STILL pandering to the American market. A Market which has shown will *only* purchase sure-fire games, which are hyped, made easier and generally made for playing for 5minutes when your drunk.

The European and Japanese markets (THQ/UBISofts main domain) shows they far more prefer thier games to be cheap, more challenging and overall more inventive.

See this trend continues with the fact that European developers also often take more risky game ventures and designs. American developers want to keep regurgitating exactly what they have for the past 6 games in the series.

Although sure I think not messing with the formula is cool; A games does eventually get stale. What annoys me is so many Japanese games are not translated, for the fact that the AMERICAN public wouldn't accept it.
The European Market actually makets up the majority share though, over 45% of the current gaming market is in Europe.
We spend the most on our software as well...

Americans will pay something like $35-40 for a games. Europeans will pay £35-45 (€40-55), this means not only are we the majority share but we also make up the majority of income.

The reason europe is so often passed over as 'the' market, is because you have to translate to English, Spanish, German, French, Norwiegen, etc...
And publishers don't like that sort of set back. (this said most countries across europe understand english and import american titles)

The same really goes for the gamecube. Fanboys haven't dubbed it as a Kids machine, Nintendo have marketed the kid-like games as thier 'big sellers'... What you market is how your seen.
The NGC has so many great games which are more adult based it isn't even funny but it is still seen as a kids machine.

Price for Americans also put them off, which as they're considered *the market* ... is a bloody annoying thing. Because alot of americans want a good deal but at the same time 'if it doesn't cost alot it's got to be crappy'.
Which just isn't the case, the market over there need to wake up and smell the Radeon based VPU pixels... It is the most advanced machine on the market!

It does what it says on the tin, Plays Computer games... doesn't make you coffee, steal your neighbours newspaper or run over that pesky stray dog that poos in your poppies. Why should it? Nintendo don't give a crap about trying to give you a multimedia centre or try to make out they're a computer (HA! yeah right Sony).
They're giving you a games machine which more power than most mid-end gaming rigs at a price that is just REASONABLE for what it delivers.

It is quite simply the easiest system to program for (oh jesus is it simple... that's why Nintendo ran 8months over projected release!), it is !!PIRATE FREE!!, so no lost sales from people ripping off your games. Jesus what do publishers need, to be beaten around the head with a large mallet that says 'WAKE UP YA MORON!'.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 09:32
I totally agree with 99% of what you're saying, Raven.

The fact that Americans like easier, less-challenging, cheap sequels is so true. The industry needs an injection of originality--- not another movie license! Sam and Max and Full Throttle have had a spike nailed through their skulls because of this. Sooo sad.

The NGC, as powerful as it is and as easy to make games for as it is, is still the loser in the American public. Look at what happened to Dreamcast--- a powerful machine that had great games. What happened? I'm actually amazed that Sony has such a strong grip on the average American Joe's wallet--- what with their RPGs and their 35 minute long non-skippable intro FMVs

The one thing I don't agree with is the pirate-free statement. Like I said in another thread a long time ago, they have figured out how to copy NGC games to a PC to stream into the NGC to play games. It doesn't work 100% of the time (but then again neither do Xbox disc copies) but some diehards do this using the NGC net adapter and a copy of Fantasy Star Online.

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TKF15H: Did you say that the DC had better graphics than the PS2? Dude are you freakin insane, DC only supported limb animation, and every frame counts for something. Look at DB, a few FPS\\\'s off and your game could lack in some areas.

RAVEN: You apparently dont live in the states (if you do, then, damn, oh well) so you probably dont know whats goin on here, just because you read something dont always make it true. Im not saying that your replies are'nt accurate, beacause 90% of the time they are, but its just well, its true we do want a deal, but if its cheap, it does'nt mean its crappy, half of my collection of games are cheap, out of date crap I got at GameStop. If I see a cool game on tv, an it looks cool, bet your ass I'll buy it. Well, I would'nt have posted this if I just bought games that noone played.

P.S:We pay something like 50$ for games here

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 10:38
Quote: "The one thing I don't agree with is the pirate-free statement. Like I said in another thread a long time ago, they have figured out how to copy NGC games to a PC to stream into the NGC to play games. It doesn't work 100% of the time (but then again neither do Xbox disc copies) but some diehards do this using the NGC net adapter and a copy of Fantasy Star Online."


a/ Can't copy discs and play them on your NGC
b/ The games copies will NOT work again on the NGC, I've done extensive testing to this fact.
c/ The copies games *only* work through Emulators, which are very very very far from perfect and I very much doubt they ever will be.
d/ Programs used for getting DOL and GCM are often very strictly limited.

I've heard all the hype, and i've gone through all of these sites saying that Phantasy Star allows you to do some cool things with it's loophole in security.

Fact of the matter is, this isn't even close to what you would deem stable, let along a viable piracy means. What is pirated cannot be copyied to replayed on the machine.
And in all honestly all they have is a digital image of the disc, which for all intensive purposes they don't even know if it is the full game in many cases or not.

although i can't deny that what i previously said about it being impossible (and you know if PSO didn't have that security floor it still would be deemed impossible); i am willing to stand by the fact that PIRACY is non-existant on the NGC.

I've actually talked to Panasonic on the matter recently, as they're the company who own the guys who developed the technology. As i've also recently started a project where I don't want piracy to be an issue.
I've been told that although it is possible to take a 1.52GB Gamecube Disc and copy it to a 1.4GB DVD-Rom... there is a problem with using it.

DVD-Rom's use a Single/Dual-Sides technology to write onto, at VBR. This allows the to work at variable speeds much like a CD-Rom.
The Gamecube's discs are based on DVD-Ram, which works entirely different to DVD-Rom. They're similar and it is possible to read them in given DVD-Drives, but for the most part. People can't without expensive hardware.
DVD-Ram however works to a CAV System, which means that it never speeds and never slows down; giving you an exact reading speed.
The laser for the prodduct also works slightly differently as the data is embedded differently over Single/Dual/Quad-Layers.

This means that reading to the disc requires your dvd-drive to have a variable laser allowing it to read through layers. So when DVD's corrupt because thier main layer becomes damaged, DVD-Ram's don't because they're protected from this as the layers work through the plastic.

It also means there can be 'special' layers which are only readible by special hardware, meaning that the copyright protection NGC Discs have is stored on a layer which ONLY the NGC hardware can access except for when the disc is pressed obviously.

This means EVEN if you can read the disc, you just simply cannot copy it with available hardware. That is perfectly impossible, unless you happen to have a nice $2,000,000 for Panasonic to create you a disc creator lol
This is also why Nintendo are the *only* Publisher company for the NGC.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 11:00 Edited at: 28th Jul 2004 11:23
I'm just gonna pick a little at the latest in this topic.


Quote: "A gamecube's mini-disk holds almost 2 gigs you
JACKASS.... how is that too little???
"


Well compared to the 4.7 GB discs that the PS2 and XBOX use.... yes it is little.

Quote: "I mean come on did you see Resident Evil 4 and The New Zelda's graphics they slaughter PS2 and Beat the XBOX's graphics
"


EDIT - lol double did a quote...... forgot to del when revising


I will admit the games look good. The only problem is length. I don't think the games will have the length i am looking for (although i heard a rumor that new Zelda is gonna be a 2 discer.... just a rumor though) , but yet they are trying to be a graphics show off.

Quote: "GC CD = 2 PC CDs
enter the matrix with movies = 2 PC CDs

Shouldn't it be able to fit onto a GC cd then?"


Erm... lets not forget Compression from installers.


Quote: "exclusive games then PS2 and Xbox like Harvest Moon, Resident Evil 4, Star Fox 2,
Metroid Prime 1 & 2, The Legend of Zelda series, Pokemon"


So what?

XBOX- It gets all the PC ports, including Dues Ex, Max Payne, and quite a chunk of others. They also play good on there. Also Halo, can't forget that.

PS2- Can anyone say "Final Fantasy". I also gets a few PC ports (although later then the XBOX.) And it has Metal Gear Solid, Onimusha, Silent Hill (XBOX now also)... plus an assortment of one timer RPG's.

Quote: "it is !!PIRATE FREE!!.
"


Nothing is pirate free... its just a matter of time.

Quote: "
We pay something like 50$ for games here
"


Make friends in the local game store.... then that 50 turns into 25 .[/quote]

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 11:15
whatever dude......

Im watching you...
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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 11:26
Quote: "whatever dude"


Thats the 3rd time today i have been told that.... although the first 2 were by my little sister.... bleh

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 11:37
Just liek others said, all have there pros and cons. MHO:


PS2
+: HUGE game library.
+: Has stood the test of time being the oldest next-gen system.
+: Great controller that we have had in hand for almost ten years.
+: Many classics are quite cheap now.
-: Weakest of the next-gen systems
-: Has some hardware probs being older
-: Since it is older, you might get a VERY old one if you got it used

XBox
+: The best CPU and the most RAM
+: Really catching up in the games
+: Really nice proprietary games coming out in the last 6 months
+: Awesome online set up
-: Won't play DVDs without kit
-: Still not enough games
-: Bad controllers

GameCube
+: Very cheap system
+: Very cheap games
+: The middle ground in technology
+: Nintendo as main game designe
-: Controller is not the best for many types of games
-: Not many games
-: Basically no online games (except PSO)
-: Some games need two or more GBA and tons of link cables to be fun

Well, that is my two cents. Except for the system specs, those are all my opinions, so please so not argue with me about it.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 11:55
Quote: "Nothing is pirate free... its just a matter of time."

They have a year, then the technology will be obsolete for the next generation of consoles.
Pirate Free, if only for the lifetime of a console (5years) is still a damn proud a achievement?

Honestly I don't see it being cracked anytime soon.

Quote: "PS2- Can anyone say "Final Fantasy". I also gets a few PC ports (although later then the XBOX.) And it has Metal Gear Solid, Onimusha, Silent Hill (XBOX now also)... plus an assortment of one timer RPG's."


NGC has MGS, FF, Paper Mario 2, Resident Evil, Call of Duty, Need For Speed, etc...

Sorry but the NGC now has just as wide a range as any other console, Square-Enix have already said Final Fantasy XII is going to be NGC and PS2 bound.
Plus we have far more and better titles on the way.

I have a PS2, simply for Final Fantasy. Everything else is Gamecube or PC... because really everything X-Box has is PC... why buy X-Box editions that have £15 tacked onto the price, are lower quality and have to be played with the sluggish controller?

Personally I'm looking forward to Lara Crofts very first Nintendo console outing next year

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Posted: 28th Jul 2004 12:07
Quote: "+: The best CPU and the most RAM"


Gamecube's CPU outperforms the X-Box's by 15% under Linux Dhrystone 2.1
The Gamecube's system allows it to stream data, as does the PS2; which means both architectures don't require much ram, only buffering.
This gives the GameCube 16MB Audio Buffing, 20MB Graphics Buffering, 4MB Overflow... which is far more than it ever uses.

Looking at the GPUs again the Gamecube has the most powerful.
162MHz Bus Radeon 9700 (LSI Based w/2MB Texture w/1MB Frame Caches) running DDR 0.15u (320 MHz)
Capable of everything the Radeon 9700 is. This means Shader Model 2.0 and almost complete OpenGL 1.5 feature access.

100MHz Bus Geforce 3 (MPU Based) running DDR 0.15u (200MHz)
Capable of OpenGL 1.4, Shader Model 1.1 + Pixel 1.2/1.3.

Even the latency times between the graphics processors and ram is just far far lower. The Gamecube was never designed to work as a computer, everything is optimised for loading and translating data on the fly, not caching it for later use.

you combine this with the fact the Pentium3 is only capable 2-1-1 Cycles per Clock with 8 Operations per Cycle.
Whereas the PPC 405 is capable of 6-5-1/Clock with 4 Operations per Cycle.

This translates to if both were running at 100MHz, the P3 would be pushing close to 160,000,000 operations per clock, whereas the PPC would be 300,000,000 operations per clock. The only reason the Pentium can keep up with the PPC is because it can run upto 4ways whereas the PPC can only run 2ways.

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