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FPSC Classic Product Chat / what about third person view and cast shadows?

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emanresu 1963
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2004 12:27
I'm very wondered and interested in fpsc! it will possible to create
games in third person perspective too? (like tomb raider or prince
of persia?) and in general, it will possible to customize the camera
set/properties ?
furthermore, it will possible to implement valid and well working
cast shadows?
bye
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2004 13:34
Camera control, to a degree, yes - but you can't have a 3rd person camera. It's an FPS game, not a Tomb Raider creator - think of all the extra jumping, climbing, edging, etc that Lara does. That just ain't FPS.

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Ian T
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Posted: 23rd Oct 2004 13:38
Mike mentioned Lee would be working on better shadowcasting for FPSC in one of the early chats, but I didn't see any in the demos despite the nice ppl. Any news on this ?


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Posted: 23rd Oct 2004 13:40
Sort of, Lee has been playing with a very cool shadow technique, but it requires a mothership of a video card to do it, I forget the technical term, but it's effectively hardware shadows.

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Mussi
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Posted: 24th Oct 2004 04:55
Quote: "Sort of, Lee has been playing with a very cool shadow technique, but it requires a mothership of a video card to do it, I forget the technical term, but it's effectively hardware shadows."


using shadow volumes?



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Ian T
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Posted: 24th Oct 2004 05:57
Sounds good, that's really too bad about the hardware though. Can't help but mention that smooth, soft, realtime shadows do work on my TNT2 .

Not that it's a crucial graphical nicety, of course .


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SoulMan
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Posted: 24th Oct 2004 12:05
You're still using a TNT2?
Holy crap.
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Ian T
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Posted: 24th Oct 2004 12:54
Apparently it went from 'hahah, that's antique man' to 'my god you must be joking' status somewhere in mid-late 2004 . I won't be sticking with this for long.


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Posted: 24th Oct 2004 23:32
Third person camera views are not supported.

Dynamic shadows using stencil volumes are supported - they can be turned on/off depending on the hardware. The convention version of FPSC had much better shadows than the SET SHADOW SHADING command supports but they are not finished yet.


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Posted: 25th Oct 2004 00:24
Mmm, sounds good .


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SGT KOOLAID
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Posted: 25th Oct 2004 01:57 Edited at: 25th Oct 2004 01:58
despite hardware shadows taking up a mothership of a vidcard. will soft, realtime shadows be made? what type of "features" will FPS have? specular bumpmapping? normalmapping? specular lighting? LOD systems?vertex & pixel shaders? just wondering if this program will have DX9 features in it and how much? or is it too early right now?
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Posted: 25th Oct 2004 07:12 Edited at: 25th Oct 2004 07:13
FPSC doesn't really have "soft" shadows as such. Lee did some tests where he managed to produce this effect, but it is quite expensive to do, so it may or may not happen. Seeing as neither Doom 3 nor HL2 have proper soft shadows I think it would be a bit much to expect FPSC to have them.

FPSC supports FX shaders just like DBPro, so normal mapping & shaders are supported. For simplicity Lee / Mike will probably build shaders into the segments so that you just plonk down a wall and it automatically uses bump mapping. I believe the shaders are user-configurable though.

So yes, it does have DX9 features, but it is never going to look as good as big commercial projects which have had teams of 20+ developers working on them continuously for 2+ years.


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