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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 08:24
wut browser are you people using

i use firefox 1.0 and only use ie for winupdate


anyone using IE stop now and switch to ffx 1.0
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 08:26
Firefox 1.0, and IE for Milkshape3D gallery.

Firefox, travail!

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 08:29
w00t Firefox. Only use IE on bungie.net, argh.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 09:05
Firefox 1.0, and those craptacular ones I make in VB 2005 Beta.

Firefox > All


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 10:34
IE 6


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 10:56
get him

dude try another browser please at leats try firefox it si awesome and u will wonder how u ever lived without

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:04
IE is good if you have a firewall and to use ActiveX.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:06
Quote: "dude try another browser please at leats try firefox it si awesome and u will wonder how u ever lived without"


I've tried Firebird and Firefox twice, I don't like it, I wonder how anyone else lives with it.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:10
Me too. IE6 here as well. I hate when pages don't load right and you have to fiddle with the browser settings. So far every page I go to works with IE.

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i could get into osme huge debate but gettign nto a debate wiht a mod is never good and i gess u all ahve your own opinions

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:16
What is the big deal with Firefox? I use IE and see no need to switch browsers...but I bet a bunch of people are going to yell at me now...

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:43
I use Firefox just because the pages seem to load faster.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:45
Netscape 7.2, because Netscape is the alpha and the omega of all browsers.
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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 11:59
I use FireFox 1.0, Internet Explorer 6.2 SP1, and Studio.Browser 1.0

out of all of them, i prefer my own the most
but why wouldn't i .. just hope when it's released as the propriatry browser, others will also like it rather than turning to the alternatives.

that said, i don't really see a problem with any of the current browsers cept Avant; it's too gaudy.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 12:04
I have Firefox 8.9 or something. I would upgrade, but I am to lazy , can't even finish my DB game I'm so lazy.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 15:52
lol, its interesting how everybody who's posting here says Firefox - us IE people spend far less time showing off about our browser

IE is fine for me. Does the job for me fine. I don't need email clients, the knowledge that its css is right etc - I need something that has a simple interfaces and works. IE does both

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 16:30
Firefox 1.0

Quote: "I hate when pages don't load right"

You mean "I hate it when pages load right and I have to fiddle with the browser settings to make them look like IE pages, which are displayed incorrectly.

I've put sticky-notes all over my work experience placement petitioning for Firefox

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 17:35
Firefox.

It's remarkable how many problems just disappear once you start using it .


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 18:01
Firefox 1.0 + Firebird for e-mail, fantastic combination. I find myself feeling inately angry anytime a program opens up IE automatically

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 19:21
I think you mean Thunderbird for email, Firebird was one of the many previous names for Firefox.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 19:21
I killed my brother for opening IE...I had to restart as well...I still feel unclean

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 21:57
Quote: "You mean "I hate it when pages load right and I have to fiddle with the browser settings to make them look like IE pages, which are displayed incorrectly."


No half the pages I open without IE do not run correctly. I don't really care what they look like as long as they work. On several sites I tried without IE the images wouldn't load and alot of the links didn't work correctly. Along with many other bugs. I'll stick with IE.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 22:04
Firefox

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 22:10
FireFox all the way.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 22:34
Firefox, and sometimes (rarely) Opera.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 22:42
Quote: "No half the pages I open without IE do not run correctly. I don't really care what they look like as long as they work. On several sites I tried without IE the images wouldn't load and alot of the links didn't work correctly. Along with many other bugs. I'll stick with IE."


Never happened to me. But that did happen with IE on various different computers...

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 23:43
IE6 all the way, although I also have to use Firefox, Netscape (yuk!), and Opera (double yuk!) for work purposes to make sure my websites work properly.

I have to rely on IE for ActiveX controls as part of Seagate Crystal Reports as that is part of my job, writing accountancy reports.

Also, ALL my clients use IE. Not one of them currently use anything else.

One thing that is annoying is that latest IE STILL does not support transparent alpha PNG's which is is invaluable when layering graphics. ALL the other browsers support it with no problem.

Boo!
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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 23:45 Edited at: 19th Nov 2004 23:46
I tried Firefox for a week, kept getting time out messages so went back to IE6...

Quote: "writing accountancy reports"

Almost a match I write accouting posting programs... I do hate Sage...

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Posted: 19th Nov 2004 23:52
Firefox all the way. If even for tabbed browsing. I love how you can click the middle wheelie over a link and have it open in a tab. So convenient


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MyIE is much better from your fire fox and all IE programs...

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While you can sit here and say, 'well actually FireFox shows webpages how they should!', it might be technically accurate that FireFox does indeed show html/css to the EXACTING specifications; the problem really lies in the fact that once again Microsoft has dominated a market SOOO long that the public don't realise this to be the case.

The Microsoft Standards are different and imo must better looking in layout than the W3C Standards. If FireFox had appeared back in '96 when the browser war between Netscape and Explorer was going on; before 4.3 was released, then I would say today; we would probably be seeing FireFox as the running the standard and Microsoft trying to outperform it visually.

But that isn't how history went. And visually speaking Internet Explorer is leagues ahead of FireFox.

Until developers start to realise the ONLY way to truely compete with Microsoft is to beat them at thier own game; they're never going to be seen as the superior product apart from with a handful of people who prefer to just run against the grain.

From where I'm sitting FireFox, loads slower (perhaps inline but overall page loading is slower), ignore HTML tags, compounds CSS tags, blocks certain access rights, displays flash as the top layer over javascript causing problems with things that are drawn (Square-Enix is a good site to see this on), and has to run resident in order to be quicker to access.

Those are just the problems I can think of off the top of my head.
While sure, Tabbed Interface & Pop-up Blocker is nice; anyone who has installed Messenger 6.x or Service Pack 2 will have this installed in Explorer as well.
That just leaves Tabbed Interface; Which is nice, but in the end; isn't too different to using the Grouped Tasks in the Task Bar..

So at this point although it has a slightly better Windowing service, apart from that; it really doesn't offer me, personally anything over Internet Explorer.
With most of the internet specifically designed around the IE Standards; why reason should I change for until they add a Microsoft Compatibility Mode.


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Quote: "One thing that is annoying is that latest IE STILL does not support transparent alpha PNG's which is is invaluable when layering graphics."


I know what you mean. I find that very frustrating as well.


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Posted: 20th Nov 2004 01:12
Quote: "anyone who has installed Messenger 6.x"

errr not that I can see....

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Quote: "displays flash as the top layer over javascript causing problems with things that are drawn"

That issue has been fixed in version 1.0 Preview Release.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2004 01:29 Edited at: 20th Nov 2004 01:29
I pity the fools who don't use FireFox!

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LOL i use the complete normal internet browser you get wit Windows xp





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That would be IE

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Posted: 20th Nov 2004 01:55
IE has too many security holes
and hwy does it have to be packaged wiht osmehting u never see it alone by it self it always cxomes with a serice pack or outlook or something
and why not opensource like mozillia are thye tryign to hide something i mean if the wnderful OS of linux can be open source why cant crappy ie
and oen more thing why isnt it up to date with html 4 and css are they too lazy or what

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Quote: "and hwy does it have to be packaged wiht osmehting u never see it alone by it self it always cxomes with a serice pack "


Will you please be a little more careful when typing? Trying to read that gave me a headache

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Quote: "and why not opensource like mozillia are thye tryign to hide something i mean if the wnderful OS of linux can be open source why cant crappy ie "


last time I checked linux wasn't exactly much competition for windows I'm sure linus isn't a multibazillionaire either..

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F1r3f0x! 1t5 t3h c00l

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holy buckets pricey that web icon of yours is still pointing to dbspot..

that was like months ago!!

Oh ya and I use IE, cuz I dislike Firefox for some reason..

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Quote: "That issue has been fixed in version 1.0 Preview Release."


Funny, cause I use Release 1.0; it automatically updated when released, and it STILL isn't fixxed.

Quote: "IE has too many security holes"

Mozilla has just as many, what's worse is Mozillas are completely open for any tom, dick or harry to see!

Although it would help if Microsoft didn't publically display new potencial security issues!

Quote: "and hwy does it have to be packaged wiht osmehting u never see it alone by it self it always cxomes with a serice pack or outlook or something"


I can't even decrypt that, and usually i'm pretty good with reading jibberish.

Should I assume this is about the security updates for IE, or the Toolbar?

Internet Explorer is free to download ON IT'S OWN. It will also update itself ON IT'S OWN. The Toolbar is an upgrade, and the official one from Microsoft; this is so that it doesn't conflict with you using OTHERs Toolbars which have similar features.
They're not novel, Alta-Vista has been providing a Toolbar for pop-up blocking since IE 5.0 (long before Mozilla/Netscape ever did it!)

Quote: "and why not opensource like mozillia are thye tryign to hide something i mean if the wnderful OS of linux can be open source why cant crappy ie
and oen more thing why isnt it up to date with html 4 and css are they too lazy or what"


OpenSource is good, when your using it to enhance upon a set standard. However in order to keep security, you MUST make sure the source is not freely available for the changes you have made to protect it.

Any half-decent hacker can break into any Linux based operating system in minutes. Microsoft Windows requires research to find a security hole to take advantage of and HOPE that the end user hasn't patched yet, or there isn't a patch yet.

A professional Security Consultant 'Hacker' has gone on record to say that without knowing where to look, it is close to impossible to hack Windows.

although something similar could be said about Linux, there are actually more ways to get around the protection. Linux is built to keep going no matter what breaks, a bit like the Honda C90; it could be falling apart at the seems but still run happily.
This is good if you need an almost unbreakable OS, problem is someone externally can access the system, monitor input calls, wait for someone with security to access, get in, edit what they need to, get out.

Try that with Windows, it'll corrupt the installation. It is a deliberate measure to prevent just such an attack.. it means for Windows a Hacker MUST do his homework first, there are just no two ways around it.

Quote: "I'm sure linus isn't a multibazillionaire either.."

Linux was never created to make money, it was created to provide a Unix-Based Standardised Operating System.

Windows has something that the other OSs just don't have. Standardisation between version for interoperating; this actually extends to other OS like Linux/Unix/MacOS/OS2. Linus' task was to provide this for the Unix community.

What happens? the Linux community takes something which SHOULD'VE standardised them, and everyone creates thier own version.. making what Linux did a decade ago a waste of bloody time.

If you ever read his website you'll see he personally hates the Linux communities; simply because they've bastardised what he created for thier own personal gains and vendettas against other operating systems.

It was never intended to make money at all, but provide a solution like what IBM & Novell have gone on to provide; Standardised Unix.
Just think, if everyone else has actually realised this 10years ago, perhaps Linux would be playing a much bigger role today.

But people generally are selfish idiots, rather than thinking of the community they wanted to show off and create thier 'own' variation. Sort of defeats the whole community spirit, eh?

This is why I firmly stand by my statment that Linux is the kids version of Unix.


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exactly what on earth motivated you to post a request like that here...

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Quote: "The Microsoft Standards are different and imo must better looking in layout than the W3C Standards"


What on earth are you talking about? There's no such thing as "Microsoft standards". The W3C standards ARE the standards, IE just fails to implement them properly. It tries, but it fails.

Anyway who cares, you can browse the web with your bug ridden, piece of HTML non-rendering, walking virus/trojan factory for as long as you like - makes no difference to me. I can see the trends in the log files all over the sites we (and others) run. IE is loosing market share. Rapidly. Fact.

Quote: "Mozilla has just as many"


No, it doesn't. Not even close. Do some research for Gods sake.

Quote: "This is why I firmly stand by my statment that Linux is the kids version of Unix."


Actually, that I will agree with FreeBSD (or any BSD variant) is easily the best Unix variant out there (and powers more Fortune 500 company sites than any other OS).

As for "open source" meaning "insecure" that's a crock of shit.

You cannot perform an operation on the Internet without going through some kind of application for which the source code is openly available. DNS look-ups: BIND, sending email: Exim/QMail/Sendmail, the most popular Web Server in the world: Apache. Etc etc.

The Internet was built on open source applications and runs on it today. You cannot do ANYTHING across the public Internet that doesn't use one of those pieces of software somewhere. Open source based on open standards and public protocols power virtually everything on-line.

When it comes to operating systems it's a little different. Microsoft have a lot of complaints for producing such a buggy OS, but it is interesting to see how no-one has ever tried to compete with them really since IBMs OS/2 (OS X doesn't count, it's just FreeBSD Unix and God I love it because of it). But as none of us are ever going to be capable of writing a complete OS replacement, we have to live with this fact and put up with constant security updates, patches and bug fixes. It's just a sad way of life for PC owners today. Sad because it never used to be like this, go back just 10-15 years and this wasn't the case, it is a hole Microsoft have dug themselves into, so they can sure as hell dig themselves out again and they'll never get a single penny of my money to help themselves do it.

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Quote: "Funny, cause I use Release 1.0; it automatically updated when released, and it STILL isn't fixxed."

It is fixed. All people I know don't have any problems with this anymore. And Firefox doesn't automatically update. It only checks for updates. This is not MS.

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empty - leave the IE lovers to it, one day they'll wake-up and smell the truth (probably the same day IE accidentally broadcasts their visa card details across the web as yet anothe security flaw is "found")

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Posted: 20th Nov 2004 03:23
@jerico
cause on the post it is in the 20 lin challange board where an august post is still on the 1st page and i have requested it on the post itself and nothing happened. so i didnt want to amke a whole new thread so whyb not here

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Thank you for getting my point across

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Quote: "empty - leave the IE lovers to it, one day they'll wake-up and smell the truth (probably the same day IE accidentally broadcasts their visa card details across the web as yet anothe security flaw is "found")"

Good point.

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