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Lord Ozzum
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Some stupid @$$hole shot him because he was pissed that Pantera broke up. He killed him and four other people.
Terrible...

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Quote: "Pantera's Dimebag Darrell"


good riddance.. though it is sad the people got shot


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Quote: "he then began firing into the crowd before a police officer arriving on the scene shot Gale to death."


Good old fashioned justice .


Never heard of the guy before but it's sad that he died.

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Now that's a fan.


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Quote: " Some stupid @$$hole shot him because he was pissed that Pantera broke up. He killed him and four other people.
Terrible..."

Yeah, it is although no motive has been deterimined yet for why he did it.
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Well, I'm not sad because I don't know anything about him.

Quote: " Some stupid @$$hole shot him because he was pissed that Pantera broke up."

He must've been pretty retarded.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2004 08:52 Edited at: 11th Dec 2004 08:55
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You don't know who Dimebag Darrell is?(was)?!?

A guitarist. Pantera were a good band...

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So what good would shooting him do?

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Nothing, the shooter must have been a right RETARD. Which reminds me, anyone seen Koshi recently?

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oh cmon, the man's name was "dimebag darrel" is it really such a big loss.. How bout telling us who these other people were Seems to me like nobody cares about them.


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Posted: 11th Dec 2004 09:18 Edited at: 11th Dec 2004 09:19
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What has his name got to do with it? He was a very talented guitarist. Your an ass

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Yeah Jerico, really, that must've been the dumbest thing you've ever said. Judging someone by their name? Tsk tsk.

Anyway, my friend told me about this yesterday, he was pretty pissed, although I'm really not a metal fan so I didn't listen to Dimebag or Pantera much. But a loss of a musician is a loss of a musician.

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Quote: "Judging someone by their name? Tsk tsk."


Coming from someone whose name starts with 'Zero'. Ha ha!

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Yeah, my friend was extremely pissed about it and went about making me listen to all of the guys good solos in tons of songs. Granted he was very skilled, even though I'm not a metal fan. The guy that shot him had to have been some moron though for doing this.

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That is WEIRD!

Last night We're (me and my brother) where talking about
Pantera singer getting shot, he got shot 6 times!



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Quote: " oh cmon, the man's name was "dimebag darrel" is it really such a big loss.. How bout telling us who these other people were Seems to me like nobody cares about them."


dimebag was his nickname, he was a legendary guitarist known for his skill, would you liek people going "jerico, man what kinda retard name is that, bloody coders." ?? But still from the news report i heard, the gunman was a crazed pantera fan who shot darrel then fired on three audience members, all the while yelling at darrel blaming him for pantera splitting up. see, it's not always good to be front row in concerts i was in teh middl eof a tism concert and i got to hip and shoulder one of the band members as he came to the sound tech's box, he pushed me back, thats my claim to fame

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I agree with Jerico, what about the ones that didn't deserve to die?




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Quote: "I agree with Jerico, what about the ones that didn't deserve to die?"


First please explain who deserved to die.
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Well for starters, you.


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Haha. Back at ya!
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This little exchange is really going places .


Quote: "he was a legendary guitarist known for his skill"



I know a few people into metal, never heard of him at all. Still, shame. There's too little talent in this world.

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Megadeth's site has something up for him:

http://www.megadeth.com/

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http://www.officialpantera.com/ has a bunch of quotes from other musicians about how influential and great he was.
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he is famous for his skills to guitarists not necesarily your average music goer. i mean do you know the name of the guitarist from led zepplin? he is a famous guitarist.

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I found a concert of Metallica, Ac/DC, and Pantera on the computer a while back and I must say it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen, even though I had to watch it on my computer screen. It was somewhere in Russia, and there was like the whole country there at the concert, I'm talking like 1000's of people. Of course after a while the fans started beating up the russian cop/military guys. They were fliping over cop cars and stuff and while thats all going on you got freaking Metallica, Ac/Dc, and Pantera just rocking on the stage. There were so many fans that the cops couldn't really do anything. Anyway, it is sad that he had to die for basically nothing. I'm guessing that the killer got really messed up and did the stupid crap and then he payed for it. Quite sad, but I guess thats the risk that you take when you become famous. I'll try to find the video of the concert again and I could like email to someone that wants to see it. If you like heavy metal you'll like Pantera.
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Quote: "I know a few people into metal, never heard of him at all"

Well, heavy metal fans that are into guitar are more likely to know him, and:

Quote: "i mean do you know the name of the guitarist from led zepplin? he is a famous guitarist."

Exactly.

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Underworld,
I can imagine, I've seen a few clips from concerts in Mexico and Afrika - basically the fans just go whether they could afford a ticket or not, they care about little more than seeing their fave bands - the way it should be. Communist countries seem to have a wildest fans though . Although Pantera are more like BodyCount and Rollins Band era - they were accepted by bands like Slayer, Metallica and Megadeth, the heavy touring bands really, which is probably why they lasted so long.

Anyone planning on downloading some Pantera should check out 'Planet Caravan' and 'Hollow' - even if you don't like metal, Hollow for instance is very mellow.


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plabnet caravan was originally a black sabbath song, they do a good cover of it. Other songs I like from em are walk, always good drivint he ute down teh road with that blarin out, and they did a cover of another sabbath song symptom of the universe, atleast i think it was pantera, mighta been sepultura anyway they are very good, even for me who isnt into death metal

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ya know, I hate a loss of a life as much as anyone else.. but what makes 'dimebag' darrell so much greater of a human being as to mourn his loss and 'three other people'..

It's one thing to say the families didn't want these 3 unknown people's names spread about.. it's another to just group em together and say 'dimbag darrel and three other people', I hear **three nobody's that no one cares about or wants to hear about**

That's what makes me sick about this whole situation.. There's always gonna be physchos out there, that doesn't surprise me, but the media focusing on the most famous of the four victims just so they 'have something to write about'

Disgusting, don't you think so?


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Who rattled your cage? Fact is, a lot of people know who Dimebag Darrel is, I doubt the same amount of people know the others. It would be stupid saying "John Doe and Elizabeth no-name have been shot, oh and Dimebag Darrel" no one would know who the other people are, so it wouldn't matter that they knew the names.

I think your just looking for things to moan about.

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ugh.. You don't even know who the 3 people were, so how can you validly make that argument?

What's the harm in telling people who these 3 people were, or what they did. But no one cares.. so tell me why I should care about 'dimebag' darrell.. Never heard of him, don't listen to that kind of music.. don't really care if he's dead or not. I'm sure the other 3 people may have done a hell of a lot more with their lives than darrell, but I can't make that point because I have no idea who they were.


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That's what makes me sick about this whole situation.. There's always gonna be physchos out there, that doesn't surprise me, but the media focusing on the most famous of the four victims just so they 'have something to write about'

Disgusting, don't you think so?"


Not really. What are they supposed to say, 'Dimebag Darrel and an undisclosed person and an undisclosed person and an undisclosed person?' The media's job is to spread information, not be moral; if individuals want to appreciate the importance of the specific losses of life, they're free too, and grouping unidentified individuals together doesn't change that. Fame and lack thereof is something natural, something inevitable in the world, and while I don't like the American celebrity 'system' at all, it's only natural for the people who have influenced the world the most to be the ones who are talked about the most. More people have reason to care about this Dimebag guy as more people will have known about him. For those who like to ponder the importance of every individual loss of life, there's a person dying every two seconds to mourn over and the media doesn't need to report that.

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Quote: "What's the harm in telling people who these 3 people were, or what they did"

Takes up more space in the headline title, and is completly pointless. Anyway, are you trying to say all deaths in the world are reported in newspapers? No. If Dimebag Darrel hadn't of got shot they probably wouldn't have bothered reporting it.

Quote: "I'm sure the other 3 people may have done a hell of a lot more with their lives than darrell"

But Darrell was very talented, and he did with is life what he could with his tallent. So, your statement wasn't a valid one.

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no mouse, you don't at all, and that's the very point I'm trying to bring across..

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Quote: "Fame and lack thereof is something natural, something inevitable in the world"


That's where I have the problem.

What I mean with the grouping, it's fine to say, Dimebag Darrell, 2 students and a bus driver But our society is not setup to really want to hear that at all...

And you're right, I wouldn't want to hear about those unfortunate people dying every 2 seconds, it would make me awfully depressed

I'd much rather hear about us taking steps to clean up the problem, rather than hear about what the problem is..

Ah well, I can't change human nature


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Let me show you an example. Right, say one of your friends tells you something, someone that you had just met. When you went home, you would not say 'Jeff told me something really cool today', you would say 'one of my friends told me something really cool today', because they don't know who the hell Jeff is. Apply that to what I'm trying to say.

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x_x I don't care what their names are, you're missing the point.

What did they do, what did they accomplish. So far I've learned we lost an artist on that day, what else?

If you're gonna report someone's death you can at least report who the other people were..

I'm not arguing with you guys, I know that's the standard way in which things are done.. I'm just questioning the standard.. There's no way you're going to convince me that the current standard is best


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Quote: "What did they do, what did they accomplish. So far I've learned we lost an artist on that day, what else?"

Okay, they could have put "4 people shot" as the headline, but because they knew that the name 'Dimebag Darrel' actually means something to us, they told us he was one of the people shot. We don't need to know about the other people unless they are someone we are likely to know.

You haven't really thought this through have you? Because your arguement doesn't really hold much logic.

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x_x, you're putting a worth on top of dimbag's head.. he's worthy of talking about, while the other three arent. Because we don't know them.

So fine, if that's how society works that's how it works. Stop hassling me for my thoughts ^_^


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You are starting to get on my nerves. To be honest, I don't CARE who the other people were, its not important. Dimebag Darrel was a very influential guitarist, which a lot of people knew him for, they would care that he died. Theres no 'worthy' about it, NO ONE CARES.

Ok, while thats a bit strong, people would care that the other people are dead, but they do not need to know who they are. News is stuff that is happening or that has happened, news is for informing people of current events, and past events. So on the sites, they are informing us that Dimebag Darrel has been killed. Why? Because its something we want to know about.

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that's what I'm criticizing, how hard is it to understand that I don't like the idea? I don't care if you believe the same way or not, I'm not trying to convert you.

And who's to say one of the people shot down wasn't a social worker who helped hundreds of lives and who could have saved hundreds more if he/she wasn't shot dead...

I'm just saying, an influential artist is no more or less important than a social worker, though probably a bit more famous.

I think I've stated my ideas as clearly as I can, so I really don't have much more to say on this topic. I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right on all of your statements in fact. I'm saying the way our society discusses and decides who is noteworthy is wrong.

If you wish to discuss that then by all means create a new topic and I'll enjoy sharing more ideas


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You don't seem to understand. I'm not saying Dimebag Darrel is any more important than the other 3 people killed. I'm saying that people would want to be informed that Dimebag Darrel is dead, because of who he is. Its not a matter of being more important, its a matter of being known by people.

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I understand that, but why is it that we don't hear about our 'great social workers'



example "Today's hot story, 'Social Worker saves family from starvation!"

People don't care about that stuff, but call me crazy for feeling a bit better when I hear these stories


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Quote: " "Today's hot story, 'Social Worker saves family from starvation!""

What? and nobody got shot ?? pah what a crap story
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Jerico, your missing the point.

People dont care that a social worker saved a family. it happens all the time, and people know it does. and no one cares what their names are because names of such people are meaningless.

What doesn't happen all the time, is someone famous getting killed. OK so dimebag may not have been all that famous. maybe only 1 million people knew who he was. Thats 999900 people more than me.
Dimebag was someone who we possibly look up to, or maybe aim to be like. he influenced millions of people.

A social worker on the other had influenced maybe 1000 people in thier life. while this is still a great achievement, thre are tens of millions of social workers all doing the same, this lowers the "greatness" of what they do.

also

Im sure the people who know the 3 un-named people are all aware what has happened and are all very upset and so putting their names and ocupations in the paper would serve no purpose.

putting the name of a someone like dimebag in the paper would inform millions of people of his death. therefore serving a purpose.
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Thats EXACTLY what I was trying to say

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x_x that's all well and good, and I do get the point..

My point is unsubstantial because the people I'm talking about are unsubstantial to the mass public.


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I saw Pantera's cover of Planet Carivan's video. It's weird man.
And:

Quote: "And who's to say one of the people shot down wasn't a social worker who helped hundreds of lives and who could have saved hundreds more if he/she wasn't shot dead..."


And who's to say that one of those people wasn't going to be Hitler? Which is why I ate hearing anti-abortionists go on and on...they don't know if this person was going to bring world terror or not...

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You ate hearing anti-abortionists?

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I think hes planning on eating Philip too.

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