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stevie disco
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Aah - that's more like it.. Just noticed this in the newsletter.
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sObject* pBox = dbMakeObjectBox ( 10, 10, 10 );
dbPositionObject ( pBox, 0, 0, 0 );
pBox->vecPosition = vector3 ( 0, 0, 0 );
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Think I'm going to hold off coding until the next update. OO goodness.

Will be doing my models in anticipation. Got questions on those and i'll post them in the appropriate place. Toodles.

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PearsoE
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Any status on an SDK update? It would be nice to be able to hide a specific sprite. Hiding all of them kind of limits what you can do.
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Cellbloc Studios
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My guess is still June 2005

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PearsoE
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Wow June?! Be nice if there was a patch release quicker that addressed some of the more serious bugs. I could wait for June for new features but right now you can pretty much take the Sprite features of the Dark SDK and throw them out the window for all the good they are.
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Cellbloc Studios
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I am quite sure that until the FPS Creator comes out they won't be touching anything else.

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dbcoder2006
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Wow,

Textures don't work
Sound half works
BSP's don't work

And that's all I have found.... complete BS. I would think they would releae a finished product. I'm so mad.
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Cellbloc Studios
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Don't be. These things take time. As soon as FPS Creator comes out, I'm sure we will see improvements.

What I think is a little sad is that everyone who already has a product with issues has to wait until the new product, which no one has, to be done first. Of course, when the new product comes out, there will be issues, so it begins again.

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billy the kid
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Are you sure about June? Seems a little dumb to not continue supporting previous products. By support I mean bug fixing and upgrades. Now obviously most of the team would be working on FPSC. But Im willing to bet at least 1 guy is working on the SDK. Isnt Mike currently working on it? At least I hope this is the case. There better be at least one person currently working on implementing pointers. And if you are right then...WTF!?!?!?!?!
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Posted: 11th Jan 2005 07:07 Edited at: 11th Jan 2005 07:18
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Please remember it´s my opinion. I don´t work for TGC nor do I have any ¨inside¨ information, just from my reading of the IRC Transscript and their Dev Journals, I personally don´t believe anything will be done before June.

All Mike entries as of late has been about FPSC that I can see (I could be wrong). So I do not know what to tell you.
http://developer.thegamecreators.com/?m=diary&did=2

According to the Dev Diary, the last time Mike has touched something Non-FPSC was during Thanksgiving.
http://developer.thegamecreators.com/?m=diary&eid=1568

I also see the FPSC coming out middle of February. As they have stated, the EA release is first, then the final later. We shall see.

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dbcoder2006
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I payed for a working product, now granted I expected small bugs, but bsp's not working? I can't texture 3ds models? I can't do CRAP w/o that.
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zao420
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the sdk will have the same bugs as dbp they are the same engine after all. you should have expected bsp to not be working but that 3ds models not beable to texture you should post the model and texture in that other forum

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BSP not working is not an issue for since BSP was created numerous years ago, I have refused to have anything to do with it.

But 3DS not being able to texture, that´s a new one at least on me. Post the model and texture and let me take a quick look.

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so far i have been able to develop 2 demos in less than a month without having any show stopper, but i do have a hard time figuring out when something goes wrong, if it is my code, or the SDK being buggy.

you can download two work in progress and see for yourselfs:

(1. alpha objects not rendering well over other objects with alpha)
(2. screen goes blank on GeForce FX cards)

http://www.gslpr.com/files/MeteorRush.rar

(1. Having a hard time with collisions against irregular floor, my my floor angle post)

http://www.gslpr.com/Files/Racer.rar
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Quote: "But 3DS not being able to texture, that´s a new one at least on me."


In DBP my 3ds models does not texture either. I remember reading earlier that there was other people having some trouble with it. But I was not absolutly sure if it was the modeler I used or DBP.

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dbCoder - textures work, sounds work and BSPs work. We have released a complete product. Check out the included demos to see examples of texturing, sound and BSP in action. Send me the code and models you are using and I can investigate the problems - mike@thegamecreators.com.

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Hows the DarkSDK update going ?

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I have had no real show stoppers either. 95% happy with the product. I recommend it to people when I can.

The issues will be fixed, I'm am quite sure.

As for the BSP thing, according to the IRC Transscripts, a lot of issues are "user implementation" issues. As the demos that come with the DGSDK shows, it loads a Quake 3 world and works just fine. Now, maybe there is something special you need to do to make it work, I do not know.

I also tried the 3DS model and I applied different textures to the model just fine. Have you tried the STL modifier to make sure you model is correct? Having incorrect faces or edges will sometimes make the textures not work.

Otherwise, I'm pertty happy. The only thing I had an issue with is the multiple camera which Mike has said he has already addressed and fixed (which kicks me up to 98% happy). The only two issues left will be corrected documentation (help file) as well as dbStatistic to work so I can see my polycount on the screen.

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If it uses the same method to load 3ds files as dbpro just use .x files instead. 3ds files cause all sorts of problems in dbpro. I think at one point there wasn't a single 3d format that dbpro supported that it didn't have problems with.

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Quote: "We have released a complete product."


Yes, all the commands are there, but they don't all work.

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What commands don't work? When someone makes such a broad statement as BSPs don't work and yet the demo I made works it is hard for me to see the problem. Without any kind of specifics it's difficult for me to solve the problem.

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Did Mouse send the list to you, by the way ?

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It's funny how people complain that it stuff doesn't work.

I'm still waiting for Microsoft to fix the "Yes to All" bug, and it's only been 10 years....

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Meh, I was referring to some of the sprite commands that were discussed in these threads:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=44510&b=22
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=43980&b=22

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They aren't bugs in DBPro - just exclusive to DarkSDK

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That's what we're talking about genius.

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Other people appear to be talking about DBPro though...

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Right, I meant Mike and I

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BSP's that aren't either quake maps or included in the pak or pk3, or what ever that extension is... work, but hl maps w/ wad textures do not. I have sent Mike the map and the project a week or two ago.
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Ohhh ... June... When reading the newsletters I got the impression that there will come an update at the begin of this year.

Well, as I've decided to stop coding until the OO - release is out, I will have a hard time until June

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Quote: "Well, as I've decided to stop coding until the OO - release is out, I will have a hard time until June "


What the HELL are you talking about ? The Dark SDK uses C++, C++ is OO, you seem very confused.
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I think he was talking about things like : sObject* pBox = dbMakeObjectBox ( 10, 10, 10 );

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Yeah, I am not confused.. well, maybe a little bit but not because of coding related stuff

It helps me immensely when I can include dgSDK objects direct into my engine classes.
(without to need to use the dgSDK ID's)

I am coding with OO techniques, but I find it annoying to include the dgSDK "ObjectID" as membervariable to my classes.
I would really like to embed them directly into my classes. (or pointer respectively)
(and I think its faster to use a direct pointer and not an ID which the dgSDK function has to look up first.)

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Ah ok, that makes a bit more sense, the id's can get annoying yes, pointer access will be much more intuitive.
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So create your own class wrappers ...

I'll post a simple example tonight if you like to show how I would do this with a before/after for when pointers are introduced.

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Go ahead IandM.

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I'm confused even if nobody else is. Why do people both here and in the DBP forums keep using pointers as examples of OO? Pointers are about as non-OO as you can possibly get. They are even worse than primitives (ints, longs etc). Not only are you not using objects but you're messing with memory directly. Arrgh!
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Quote: "Why do people both here and in the DBP forums keep using pointers as examples of OO?"

I'm assuming people thinks sObject is a class...

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Pointers are the preferred method by most to call the functions and variables of a class. And its the preferred method because using pointers increases speed. So thats why you see probably see pointers used in OO examples. I personally use pointers as much as possible if it makes sense to do so. And yes you dont have to use pointers. But trust me you will get a big performance boost if you use pointers in a very large project. For small stuff, it doesnt really matter.
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The question though, is sObject a class or a structure ?

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*shrugs*
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It's a hybrid.

It's defined as:

struct sObject : public sObjectData, sObjectProperties, sObjectAnimationProperties, sObjectInstance, sObjectDelete

It has a constructor and a destructor, but no methods, and all data is publically accessible.



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I created a object manager for our framework, seems to work pretty well.
as for the pointer issues, less hastles without them..
adapt or die they say... so we adapted

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any news when the update will be released?

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No

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thats helpful

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Thats all the information thats availiable.

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Quote: "What the HELL are you talking about ? The Dark SDK uses C++, C++ is OO, you seem very confused. "

The Dark SDK uses 'C' not 'C++'. The Dark SDK is not object oriented, it just compiles in a C++ compiler. Someone is confused.
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Well done, here is your sign.

Quote: "Someone is confused. "


Why are you confused ?

Please re-read the thread.
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Now now kiddies...
The more important question is : Where on earth is the SDK update ?

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