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Newcomers DBPro Corner / final fantasy... again!!

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aidwe
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Posted: 16th Jan 2003 19:59
hey ppl its me aidwe thought u got rid of me mwahhaahahahahahahahahahaha
any way
im bak here again to ask if some amazin totaly kool dude who roks can help me make a final fantasy note i have no grfx and i cant make them and i dont know how 2 use db at all so pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease some1 help
im bak bak again with another request
e-mail me
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aidwe
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Posted: 16th Jan 2003 22:20
common ppl help me plz plz plz


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You have got to be kidding me. Did you just ask if someone could code and do the graphics of a FF game? What are you going to do? Play it?

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Are you nuts?! No one will make FF for you?! Are you some crazy insane stupid 10 year old noob?!? What were you thinking when you post this!!!?!??!?!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2003 02:45
here i think this will help



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It's just some little kid who has had too much sugar, ignore him.

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Your code is wrong

Do
Cls
Print "U = dum hed"
loop
Wait 99999999
End



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No : after the DO, and there must be a loop as well

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Posted: 17th Jan 2003 04:09
Normally, I would have something constructive to say to someone like you aidwe. But, based on the fact that i can't understand a word you've said, I merely unclog my nose in your direction and wave my private parts at your Auntie!

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ok........... nice insult Dr.!!! Lol!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2003 10:29
Yeah! Montey Python 4ever!!!!!!!!! Well, at least The Holy Grail . oh, uh, and to aidwe : I fart in your general direction!

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Posted: 17th Jan 2003 18:43
aidwe

I'll help you, heres how. Information is the greatest weapon of all time. The more you know, the more powerful you are.

So, download the DBPro demo, learn the code in the tutorials, and browse the forums. Eventually you will be armed with enough knowledge and code that you create that you can then post in this forum and ask for help.

Never ask people to do it for you, yet ask for help on something you have already done but need help with.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2003 21:36
i have the bloody thing i have DB u see this is my prob no one listens and if ur all gonna insult me i insult you and as a fact mr watever u r im 12 not 10 and yes i have 20 spoon fulls of suger for tea now listen i didnt mean that i wanted ppl to make the game but i need help in makin it as i said i am a noob and beleive me i dont like ppl who are idiots callin me that but i have 2 say db is crap compared with jamagic by clickteam so i may not need you guys frikin help but i aint gonna get some here as i can tell and i think u all are quite mean and i hope u all get a virus and it screws up dark basic and all your hard drives like it did with mine so naaaaaaaaaa
u cant stop me... sure u can freeze my account but nothing stops me makin a new one and so i think i may as well leave this bleeeeepin site and go to a forum with a better lay out and a posting system and everything... w8 a min my forum i made does all of those so screw u guys and y r u so mean to noobs like me and i think ull find this is newbies corner so i think u guys who arnt noobs shud shud shud actually help!! so i is outa here GOD i cant beleive i even thought u guys cud help
plz note go to [url]www.clickteam.com[/url] if u want 2 buy jamagic so naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
adioce

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Okay...for future reference adios is spelled a-d-i-o-s not adioce....

Also, take the time right now to go look at the list of credits on any Final Fantasy game.... It takes time to make ANY game, especially a game of the caliber of Final Fantasy.

You should listen to cypher, go take the tutorials first... If you can't code or make the graphics for your game, you can't expect other people just to do everything. You have to learn something, and start somewhere.

The first thing I ever did when I got into DB was read the manual that came with the demo.

One of the first programs that helped me learn db was a simple program that just rotates a cube around the y axis. I got this from http://www.db-pro.co.uk



In closing, just rtfm and you will learn what you need....it might help to learn how to type things out instead of using lame abbreviations as well as use the enter key in your future posts. It would probably be best to not mention db's competiton on the boards, that usually is a bad thing.

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Wow, I think he is 10 Ya buddy, you might never be able to come back. Have you ever heard of address ban!! AHAHAHAHAHH!!

Please dont let him come back. Hes a 12 year old noob who downloaded the demo, couldnt make FF in 10 minutes, and probably download some other proggy of Kazaa.

If you cant do DB I ASSURE you will not be able to learn other languages (T3DGM isnt a language, sorry buddy)

Try something for more then 10 seconds before quitting.

Dont listen to a dang word he says. Hes a 12 year old hyperactic noob who cant program. He can whine to us all he wants that we wont help him make FF, but it wont ever work, sorry buddy. Go hang out with yourself at your forums, while we all enjoy your absence.

Dont come back

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Posted: 18th Jan 2003 00:55
oi, dont you fucking say stuff like that to him. If he has no idea how to program then stop fucking talking about him like your slagging off your best friend.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2003 01:16
Watch the language. I dont appreciate flames against DB and I flip when people come here flaming DB and everyone else.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2003 05:34
Maybe if he'ld act like he wanted to learn something insted of expecting everyone to just give him all the parts and let him put it together. Serously, I thought it was a joke. Clickteam? Those the guys who make Click & Play? No wonder this guy can't program.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2003 19:47
At least I tried to help......though, he probably won't be coming back...

Besides, how much can you understand programming at age 12?

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Posted: 18th Jan 2003 19:57
this thread brings back memories of "da codes"

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Posted: 18th Jan 2003 21:13
i no alot alot i can already program in HTML and i started C++ and my project at the moment is 2 learn Java
i only came here 2 see if anyone was gonna disagree

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I started when I was 13 and I learned plenty.

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I started when I was about 11. Although I started with free programs on the internet. Ones that were made for RPG's. I learned the code and turned them into Casino games. Then I got DIV, then DarkBasic and now Dark Basic Pro. This is just an idiot who doesn't know how to use a full stop.

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I got started with LibertyBasic. LibertyBasic teaches you a lot about the fundamentals of Basic. I like it just as much as DarkBasic (Although it is harder to program games in LibertyBasic)

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Well, might you have enough money to buy Squaresoft?

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Programming languages are just like regular languages, just look at Perl (as in the programing language). In fact, the younger the better, the younger you are the quicker you learn. Now if only there was a way to teach maturity to some of these kids.

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Um are 15 year olds considered children?? I don't want to be in this guy's category! Unless of course he's actaully a lot older and just saying he's young to make his ignorance look more socially acceptable. Anyway, these types of threads get me angry, because I try hard to learn programming, and sure a lot of the time its slow but that's life. Hell we all all started using QBASIC and html when we were 10.
To the other denizens of the forum I ask one favour, please don't see everyone in these age groups in the same light. Then we would ALL look bad.
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I didn't say that. What I was going for is that the sooner you're exposed to something the better, execpt radation... and radon... and pop music, ok sooner you're exposed to goodthings the better. Personally, in America, the damn TV shows have really screwed up the whole age thing, especially disney (those damn shows are telling 9 yr olds to get steady relationships, and 11 yr olds to where condoms, NOT KIDDING). Anywho, to me there are 5 age groups.

First, The Babys. Ages 0 to 4, they're babies, I got nothing agaist them, they're babies for cring out loud.

Second, The Kids, aka children. Ages 5 to puberty, like baby for more fun leave them alone, I have the most hope for this age group.

Third, Teenagers. Ages puberty till 19, from my limited American perspective, they're all asses, they think they know everthing but they don't. You'll ussally find these guy flaming bourds or pretening to be 21. Any one of them that accully has have crashed in to the cold, hard wall of reality graduates to the next level. Some don't ever crash, and you end up with 35 yr old teens.

Forth, My Age. Ages 18 to 26, I see them all as people with no real idea what to do. We're at a fork where we must choose to either learn from the elders, or ack like fools for the rests of our lives.

Finally, the Elders. Ages anyone older than me or who is smarter than me. They exist to teach the rest of us (aka fools, asses, and know-it-alls; were all one at one point, I've been all three) the fumdemenyal of there choosen field.

Judging from our friend Aidwe's posts, he fits into the Third age group. Now I know that some of you are also in this group too, however this is the most common type of people I meet that are of the listed age. That's not to say I put these people into these groups the moment I see them. I judge people as equils untill they do something to either raise or lower themselfs in my eyes. One thing that I really like about the net is that nobody can judge you except for the way you think. Dr. Dommer, I'ld guess you're 20 to 23 by your posts I've read. RPGamer, about 18 or 19. Chessplaer, around 15 or 16. These could be way off, and don't think that I've put any of you into the dreaded Third option, except Aidwe. Trust me you can spot the Thirds a mile away. Anywho if there was a point to this forum, here's where I'ld say something about the original topic, but since it was an immature joke, maybe I have stayed on topic for once.

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Posted: 19th Jan 2003 14:20
u guys aint helpin u no
so plz plz some1 im new i wanna see wat DB can do so common some1
i am basicly just comparin jamagic with DB so please ppl i need help and also need mental help
help me help me

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If you wanna see what dark basic can do then go to the dark basic site and check out the gallery!

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Whoa thats easy. Download dang Equilibrium if you want an RPG. Thats awesome.

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WAT
but but
i wanna see 1 like final fantasy with battle screen to see if u can do that

note i am not the most intelligent also note that i dont have jamagic also note DB has a annoying interface

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well, equilibrium is about as much final fantasy your gonna get from a dark basic creation:

http://www.darkbasic.com/gallery_view.php?galleryid=9&p=6&catid=

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thats quite good
not the kinda stuff i expected but.... thats kool i like that i need help please i wanna be good at DB please please help some1

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hmmm it dont work it comes with alot of errors... us that a down point of not having the expansion pak thingy?

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Actually, he's got a point in that DB's interface is pretty awkward. However, this does give me something constructive to say:

Aidwe, go to a search engine and type in "darkedit", look until you find a download link to the program DarkEdit, and download it! (There's a probably an easy way to get to it from the DB homepage as well) It's exactly the same thing as DB, but in a nice Windows interface like WordPad or something.

Secondly, go and get a reading book and look through it for these two symbols: "," and "."

Take note of when and where they are used, asking your teacher what they do if you need to, and then please try to use them yourself!

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If you are serous about asking for help, read the DB handbook, find some tutorials, and have fun. Edit parts or tutorials, use new commands, goof around with it. Experiment, try it for your self and try not to rely on others to get you though the rough parts. There is no quick weay to learn this stuff, you just gotta shick with it and don't get discouraged. Benkyo, benkyo.

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aidwe i do not blame you about those words you say you are young if you raly like video games then one day you will understund tha making a game is not a game.DB is realy powerfull if you know how to use it.But only with DB you can not make a game like ff you need other tools 3d modeling&animation programs rendering programs paint programs music composing&editing programs...DB is not a program like click and play click and play is easy to use and simple program but if you realy want to make YOUR OWN GAME YOU HAVE TO RIGHT THE CODE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!MAKE THE GRAFICS YOURSELF!!!MAKE THE MUSIC YOURSELF...(yourself or you and your team)If you understand my words you will see that DB is not stupid program!You sed you need help try be more realistic and read the tutorials make right questions on the forums (not like how i make a ff game)Read the help files(do all these things in any program you use not only in DB ok)in ff are working many people with expirience.there are many categories of game developers main programers 3d object designers 2d object designers people hwo working for the animations(are some of them).i am not a profecional game developer i am a gamer who wants to make games my dream is to make a game like ff BUT I DONT BELEVE THAT USING DB FOR ONLY 2 WEAKS CAN I MAKE RPG LIKE FF.Try making the a code for menus a code for money system a code for using npcs..compile them together and you have your game.aS FOR MY AGE IS 19 i am playing video games from 7 maybe less.I hope those words will help you

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OK there buddy, the enter key is your friend.

Hes right though. FF was made in an awesome engine costing thousands of dollars. The coders who worked on FF have been coding for YEARS, this is their JOB remember. Its how they FEED THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

Dark Basic, its a fine language, but definitly not capable of FF10. The polycount and textures are way too high.

I understand your a very unreasonable 12 year old, Equilibrium is about as good as your going to get in DB. Not until you code, is until you see how truley awesome this game is.

Look, Dark basic is not some 100 dollar miracle language capable of FF10, dont get me wrong, I love dark basic. If you want FF, go learn C++, and believe me, if you cant learn DB, then your basically screwed trying to learn C++.

Calm down, read the manual, try 1 packet of sugar in that tea. Read the tuts, explore each command. Make a simple game, like pong. This flexes your ability with the commands, and then you might be able to start on an RPG, but it surely wont come out like FF.

Just chill out. Read the above and do it, then come back here and show us pong. Gather a team, and start small, after your done, then try your hands at an RPG. Do it in chunks, dont do the whole thing at once. Jumping into an RPG when you first start is like jumping out of a 50 story window, you simply wont survive.

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also ask your doc about riddilin

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all rite
but i dont like usin commas for a start i find the internet a place 2 chill so i dont use stuff like spellin and grammer and definatly not punctuation

i now have had DB (i dont think it is pro) for about a month and have used it for the equivelent of a week

i now understand a bit about values as its not that different from C++ and edited the Tank game and i made it so that the bullet is red and it shoots a user defined distance. i also made the tank move faster because comon!! its sloooooooooow and my next editing part of that will be to make the other tank blow up and you (the user) to be able to use a flame thrower.

i agree by the way with whoeva said it was not like Clik and Play as i have TGF(the games factory) which i am usin at the moment instead of DB (i want 2 use DB but i need to learn the code) and am extreamly good with it and it is alot alot simpler i agree its not a 3d games creator but it is possible to make an artificial 3d game on a 2d game crator. obviously its harder to make a 3d game but it is possible. TGF is not like DB it is nothing like it. you dont even write the code.

i also understand the timing it takes to make a final fantasy game now and i realise how hard it is to make animations. expecially on DB. if anyone else can help me with DB in any way e-mail me or post here.

please help me people (note im always doin this sorta thing so please ppl dont take the mick out of ppl like me i know how annoying it is now. also remember when you were new, how did u like it?)

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For a starter- good job using the ENTER key, I wasnt targeting this at you, the guy above my post.

One thing- DB is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR Different from C++

I do remember when I was at your stage, and I read the tutorials, learned the commands, and tried simple projects that developed individual skills. I did NOT try to learn everything at once. Try looking at a few commands, and deciding on commands that you want to learn, and put them in groups. This way, you will have good experience with all the commands, and your games will come out much better

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When I was your age my computer had 8mb and ran Windows 3.1, also I didn't act like an ass to those who I was asking from. Anyway, you sound like you are serious about this so,

Three Steps to Becoming a Better DB Programmer

Step 1) Forget everything yoo did with Cick & Play or The Game Maker.

Step 2) Learn Spelling and Grammer, you'll need to spell those commands right and so we can understand what you're saying.

Step 3) This is the big one. Practice. No one here gained all there knowledge from someone else. Programing is a self-taught art. Think of drawing, or fishing, or other *cough* indoor activities. Everyne has there own technque, there own way of doing it. No matter how much you pick up here, it won't mean squat untill you try it out and mess with it yourself. Yuo may not like this answer, but it's true.

Oh yeah, and for anyone who will piont out any spelling or gammer mistakes in this post, Piss off, I got a 26 on my ACT.

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Step 1) Forget everything yoo did with Cick & Play or The Game Maker.

Lol thats awesome.

Seriously though, I have asked my questions in the past, but the vast majority of my problems I have solved myself. I try to find where in my code its going wrong, and play with that until I figure it out. Sometimes that takes a while, but I get to do a touchdown dance when its finished .

Heres some good suggestions on learning dark basic, other than the ones previously mentioned:

There are many tutorials that come with dark basic (30 something) Open up each one, read it through until you understand it. Try editing the code to do different things. If you dont know what a command does- LOOK IT UP!!!

There is a built in commmand list with dark basic- SO READ IT!! They put it there for a reason!!! Each command comes with a description, AND example of code. USE THIS TO YOUR POWER!!! Read these commands.

Commands are like a tool to a carpenter, the more tools the carpenter has, the better his results will be. The same thing for commands. The more commands you know and can use to full extent, the better your end result will be. You will reach this result quicker, and easier with knowledge of the commands.

Plan EVERYTHING out on paper. Do NOT jump into a game with nothing on paper. Try to plan as much as you can, as far as concept drawings, storyline, and flowcharts. You can use this when you get stuck.

Also try coding in Wordpad, this way, you wont see your mistakes, and you will only code how you figure it will be done. Then load it into dark basic, and fix your mistakes, you can finish quickly this way!

I hope this helps you in your quest to learn dark basic. Its a great language, and is powerful, it just needs a determined mind behind it. Follow these steps, and have confidence, and I assure you, that you will learn dark basic soon enough.

Regards,
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sorry about this habit but i dont read long posts when i dont really have to il probably read the obove 2morro

i agree who cares about spellin wen it dont mater as long as u can read it

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You you don't like to read long posts then you'll have a hell of a time coding. Simple looking games can easily have more than 1000 lines of code. Patience is required.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003 22:20
Did anyone read my post? Did they find this helpful or agree with me at all?

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The Darthster
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2003 00:04
I wouldn't write the code in word first, unless you are writing pseudo-code. It's much easier to type it straight into DBPro, the syntax colouring will tell you if you have spelled the commands right, and also there is context-sensitive help available on the f1 button. If you compile every so often, you can see mistakes and correct them as you go.

Complex-looking games can sometimes have only 100 or so lines, look at my 20-line programs to see. It takes quite a bit of understanding to write code that messy.
pagio
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2003 00:13
i have read your post rpggamer yes it is helpful
i dont understund that ENTER thing
aidwe:try learning basic commands like print input load object position object move object...also learn everything you can for the if commands try using your imagination for using eatch command like
try this
input"what is your name" 2$
if 2$="pagio" then x=1
if x=1
print "come in"
if your name is pagio the games allow you to come in if not you cant enter
read read read tutorials and examples and try what you learnd after every lesson

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Necrum
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2003 00:17
Oh yes, I read it all. Thanks for the advice, I think that will come in very handy. I liked the example about the carpenter and the tools, good one .

btw, yes, dont ever start out on a rpg when you don't know the first thing you are doing. ....I was on a team that thought they could pull off an muli planet, non linear, multi genre rpg. That team is out of business now.

I was pretty stupid for thinking that, I am now trying to take my time and learn by taking gradual steps. I will get there sooner or later.

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Dr DooMer
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2003 03:01
Yes, that's right Aidwe, what's the point in using grammar and correct spellings providing you can read it? Doesn't matter if the person you're asking for help can't read it, does it?

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