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SageTech
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Does anyone remember these sweet times? When 3d was almost unheard of and 2d ruled the scene? I was playing super mario world the other day and enjoyed it quite a bit. is it just me or sometimes a simple 2d game is better then the latest graphicly wowing game?

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It's not just you addictive games will always be better than graphical marvels

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Star Fox on the SNES is the best^_^

Wait... that's 3d isnt it:s

Well... Final Fantasy was good


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Yeah that age was good. The RPGs were good and the other fun games. Plus the game industry was not like hollywood back then.

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wish i was developing back then, wouldnt have to worry about stunning visuals

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Posted: 17th Mar 2005 06:29 Edited at: 17th Mar 2005 06:29
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Quote: " wish i was developing back then, wouldnt have to worry about stunning visuals"


Actually it was quite harder for a hobbyist to develop games back then, as there wasn't any "DarkBasic Pro" type product available (that I can recall). Most games were coded in assembler, especially for the consoles. Plus you have to remember that stunning visuals back then, while seemingly simpler than todays, are still stunning. You still had to be a code guru to pump anything nice out of 2D. I remember reading all the tricks they had to use to make Donkey Kong Country look so spectacular--- amazing.


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i saw i documentry on donkey kong country, did you know the creator of the series (whos name i cant spell) hated it?

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Well I still play SNES games every week or so, also played Odyssey 2 a month ago. So I dont think I have forgot, anyway they remade a couple SNES games for the GBA.

Note: The above I didn't say, your just crazy.

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Nah, wished I'd got off my ar*e in the spectrum days, and basically learnt to program the assembler package I bought. Kids like 14 years of age created classic games in their bedrooms. On their own. In like a couple of weeks or so. And they are legendry people. Sigh. Manic Miner was so bloody simple for instance....

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Quote: " Star Fox on the SNES is the best^_^"

Indeed it is ^_^. Only ever played it on an emulator, but it got me addicted pretty quick.

I miss the times when I used to playe super mario world or super mario kart..


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Quote: "I miss the times when I used to playe super mario world or super mario kart.."


Same... I just loved 2-player melees with Mario Kart I remember my buddy had an SNES, and I told him that I was going to buy the system just for the Mario Kart game. I lied.


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Actually it was quite harder for a hobbyist to develop games back then, as there wasn't any "DarkBasic Pro" type product available"

Amos, Amos pro, easy Amos to name just three.

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Then don't forget STOS. Or *cough* Blitz basic *coff*...

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Quote: " I just loved 2-player melees with Mario Kart"

Yeah! For me that was one of the best parts of the game


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Nah you want earlier than that when games were produced by talented individuals and not faceless companies.....Braben, Braybrook, Fasoulas and Minter.

Most people probably know that Jeff Minters still going but anyone know what happened to Andrew Braybrook? Probably bought up by EA

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And don't forget Smith. He looks a bit crazy, but absolute legend to anyone who was a young bedroom coder.

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I can still remember all the SNES games i had:

Super Mario World - completed
Street Fighter II - completed (i'm unbeatable)
Super Nintendo Scope 6 - too hard
Krusty's super fun house - too hard
Super Double Dragon - completed
Star Fox - completed (all routes)
F-Zero - completed
Killer Instinct - completed (i'm unbeatable)
Smash TV - completed
Uni-rally - completed
Star Trek: DS9 - completed

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I can't remember which games we owned, but I remember playing super mario kart, super mario all stars, krusty's super fun house, super street fighter turbo 2(or whatever name it had), a football game that I think was called striker, and some other games that I can't remember.


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When I was old enough to play videogames seriously we were just exiting out of the SNES era and all I had was a Sega Genesis with Sonic 2, Indiana Jones, NBA Jam, and Tiny Toons. However, just recently I heard my friend was selling his SNES so I bought it off him for just $25. It came with:
the system
1 controller,
a game genie+manual
Mario All Stars + World
Mario Kart
Starfox
Super Off Road: The Baja
Turn and Burn: No-fly Zone
Top Gear
Dirt Trax FX
Tecmo Super Bowl

and then I went and got FF3 off ebay.


Loads of fun.

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jeez, bear, you had all the greats

Quote: "Street Fighter II - completed (i'm unbeatable)"


We'll see how unbeatable you are when you're fighting me as Ryu, I'm unbeatable

MK series on the sega with the three button controller? Oh, I'm god

I have, btw:

FF: Mystic Quest (didn't realize it was teh crap rpg when I bought it But being my first rpg, I didn't know better that it wasn't "great", I got good use from it)

Secret of Lufia
Chrono Trigger
Star Fox
Super Mario World (all levels completed, even the tough one to get to, *in the ocean)
Street Fighter 2 Turbo
Star Trek : DS9
Star Trek : The Next Generation

I forget what it's called, but it was made after a sci-fi series of a cop who travels in time to catch baddies.. That was a great game, though you'd never think

A bunch of others that I can't recall off hand


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Secret of Lufia?
Lol, methinks you're confustcating Secret of Mana and Lufia. I played Lufia on a ..er..."PC port" (*wink*), that was awesome.

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arg you're right!^_^

Don't have Secret of Mana, except on the emu


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I did not like the SNES much. Brother's had some good games on it though. Among my favourites are Super Bomberman and FIFA. All of us got to play at the same time.
Did not like Mario Kart or Super Street Fighter 2 much. They always cheated at the games!

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Sensible Soccer was awesome on the Snes as it was just a tad easier on that than other platforms. I know people who went out and got a Snes just for sensi.


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Quote: "wish i was developing back then, wouldnt have to worry about stunning visuals"


were you alive back then?

teh SNES is teh r0z0rz


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Quote: "what happened to Andrew Braybrook?"


Have no idea. Back in the 80's he used to go to a computer club in my home town in Essex for a while and let us playtest the games he was making. Stuff like Uridium. They were great times.

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I think modern developers could learn alot from those old Snes games.

The Flintstones on the Snes probably had one of the best difficulty levels there is, other than Viewtiful Joe.

Also, the recent game Donkey Kong Jungle Beat had nice visuals but is apparently too short as a result of it. I think Nintendo missed a great oppurtunity where they could have just slapped bongo controls on the original Donkey Kong Country games on the Snes, that would've been brilliant! I mean, they made GBA remakes for them so why not this!

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Sensible Software are converting Sensi for mobile phones, and the Bitmap Brothers are converting their 16-bit classics to GBA - I can imagine the sensi boys making a fortune.

Mobile gaming is advancing a lot, but hopefully it'll stay largely 2D long enough for us to get these cool 2D games, because the crap that we've got now is no good - Splinter Cell in 2D is a joke, a 16-bit classic is always gonna sell more copies because you fell like your actually getting a game for your money.

Anything that distracts mobile users from the freakin frog or sweety chick will be welcome.


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remember the mario rpg game that was in isomatric view? I remember thinking "holy crap, its like things are real life like" lol

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Super Mario RPG?


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I was trying to decide whether to get a Sega Genesis or an SNES... then... (yell it with me) MORTAL KOMBAT!!

The SNES one kicked ass over the sega. When me and my buddies got MK2 we used to use kombat to decide which show on tv we'd watch.I think we played it like for an month straight.

I got pretty all up into Contra III too. That game rocked.
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nah, mk on the sega was far better..


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I thought it was a lot better on the SNES, more moves and stuff..


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it may have had more moves, but I recall it being more fluid and simply more fun..

It was like the paddle was made for that game too...


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Well IMO the SNES one was more fluid. Its personal preference.


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And I think MK for SNES didn't have blood--- you had to unlock it or something. MK for Genesis was faster, bloodier, and it sold tons of systems. My cousin even had a briefcase where he had his Genesis, controllers, and MK tucked into velcro sleeves. It's hilarious when I think about it now, but back then I was envious of him.

My cousins were the kids whose parents bought them any system when it first came out. They had the NES, the SNES, and the Genesis right away. My parents didn't let my sister and I get any systems


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Quote: "I got pretty all up into Contra III too. That game rocked."


yeah over her ein aust they changed it to super probotector (contra on the nes was probotector too) and instead of shooting cubans you shot robot aliens and instea dof being humans you were these super robot batle suits, didnt do anythign different just changed the graphics from humans to robots.

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Quote: "i saw i documentry on donkey kong country, did you know the creator of the series (whos name i cant spell) hated it?"


Did you also know that Donkey Kong was originally going to be called "Monkey Kong" but there was a typo in production? The more you know...

Best SNES game ever was Shadowrun, although a lot of people hadn't heard of it. Mechwarrior was another good one... I dug how you could go hang out at the zero-zero bar before missions, that ruled

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Quote: "Best SNES game ever was Shadowrun, although a lot of people hadn't heard of it."

My friend loves that game(so do I actually), but the genesis version. I've never actually played it on the console though, only on an emulator.


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I think Shadowrun was the game that made me want to make the kind of games I'm making now... a big city, non-linear, you can go where you and do what you want... that game put me on the course, Grand Theft Auto III paved the road, and the plethora of GTA knockoffs as of late (Getaway, True Crime, etc.) made me realize that it's my calling, or something hehe. Someone needs to make a modernized version of Shadowrun, but without ruining it. Was that a double-negative?

Quote: "I've never actually played it on the console though, only on an emulator"

Which emulator do you use? There's quite a few although I'm told that NESticle is the best NES/ SNES emulator. I'm thinking about downloading one, after my nerves settle (my Vaio just got over a bad virus, which I spoke of in a diff. thread)

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I sorta meant I like the genesis version. And I use gens. For any SNES roms I play however, I use Snes9X


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Quote: "i saw i documentry on donkey kong country, did you know the creator of the series (whos name i cant spell) hated it?""


Shigeru Miyamoto. I think.



Quote: "Did you also know that Donkey Kong was originally going to be called "Monkey Kong" but there was a typo in production? The more you know..."


That's just a myth. Besides, it was a garbled fax to America. The "truth" is that Miyamoto looked in a Japanese-English dictionary and found "Donkey" (with "Stubborn" listed as one meaning) and "Kong" ("Monkey" was listed).

Donkey Kong = Stubborn Monkey, if you want to beleive it.

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I loved Pilotwings, until I found out some git wrote all the passwords in the book (second-hand)!
I also remember a couple of wierd Konami games... Pop 'N' Twinbee (cutesy vertical shooter) and Cybernator (mecha game), which I think was called Assault Suits Valken or something in Japan. End of Level 1 gave me the creeps, because after you beat the boss, it drops to the floor and breaches the hull of the space station you're in, leaving you to drop through onto your ship while hundreds of men are sucked into space. Made up for it with a level where you fight the enemy while re-entering Earth's atmosphere.

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Quote: "And I think MK for SNES didn't have blood--- you had to unlock it or something."


actully, the mortal kombat for nintindo had no blood whatsoever, as nintindo wanted a clean family game console image. Anyone ever get simcity for nintindo? (yes i think its a ripoff of computer's first) boy, how that series has changed.

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You're right, the MegaDrive/Genesis version had a special code, which the parents had to keep away from their little s**ts. . MK2 on the SNES had blood, though.

Shame I only mastered the arena-specific uppercut fatalities and Johnny Cage's Low Blow.

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if only the real world were like that. a guy tics you off, you rip off his spline

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I can think of a couple of people who need that...

Worst SNES game I ever played was Rise of the Robots. It was my brother's copy, but I managed to finish it before him. That Supervisor was nowt but a cheating ***************************************! (Sorry. Waaaaay too much profanity, even for adults)

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Quote: "Did you also know that Donkey Kong was originally going to be called "Monkey Kong" but there was a typo in production? The more you know..."


Geek fanboy senses tingling, couldn't let this one go. It wasn't going to be Monkey Kong. Shigeru Miyamoto wanted a more interesting way to say "Silly Monkey" so he utilized Kong from King Kong, and when looking up Silly in a thesaurus or something he found "ass" and substituted it with Donkey.



Devry talked to my IT class this past quarter and said that one year their graduate project was to make a game that would become the beloved Donkey Kong. Hmmmmmmm... I wondered, Did they bolt the arcade machines together or debug the high score routines? Stupid Devry.

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Fog,

Quote: ""Most people probably know that Jeff Minters still going but anyone know what happened to Andrew Braybrook? Probably bought up by EA""


Last i recall reading, he and some other Grafgold guys were writing banking or insurance software.

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Quote: "Last i recall reading, he and some other Grafgold guys were writing banking or insurance software.
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Seriously Kev? I know it pays the bills but what a waste.

Man I'm depressed now

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Sorry about the Monkey Kong mixup... that's what G4 said so I repeated it.

EA is buying everything! As indie developers we should all create a coalition to keep them from buying us out! We're next, I know it... the NFL, then ESPN, then Ubi... indie developers are around the corner!

I desperately want to find this game we played when I was younger. It was an isometric perspective SNES game... can't remember the title though. It played sort of how Shadowrun played, but it was squad based and set in the future. It's controls were similar to the Police Quest games of the mid-90's; point a bunch of guys to do something, then another bunch, then tell them all to go at it. All I remember was battling a giant robot, and entire squads of my guys being wiped off the map. I never did defeat that robot.

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