Quote: "Strange.. doesn't here. I may not use IE any more but it sure as hell never did that after days and days of running without a restart. It may have issues (mostly regarding its broken rendering engine) but that isn't one that would slip the MS net without a KB entry or fix."
Take out the Ram so your running 128MB, or even 256MB.. Explorer and FireFox overrun the memory in a matter of 10minutes browsing heavy image pages. You particularly notice this on much faster connections... on 300K it took me a good hour to reach the limit on 256MB (before I could afford to add more ram), when NTL upgraded the connection to 1Mb it didn't take long for the good 'ol menu disappearing trick to start happening.
I know it isn't just my computer, because it happened on the last 4 computers I've had, 2 of which were Alienware built and not altered internally, or had the OS reinstalled.
Both Explorer and Firefox just refuse to let go of Items even once they've Cached them to the HDD. Drugding forums all day, you don't notice what so ever.. as soon as you start going over hundred and hundred of images though, you start noticing these are some major memory leaks that need to be seen to.
This is no doubt why neither has really had the problems reported, or even bothered having them seen to. In order to correct the problem it would require alot of recoding of the core functionality of the browsers, to make sure it released every single memory it commits based on Cache loading.
For most users you end up with ~340MB before this limit becomes a problem and you have to restart the browser. Another problem with this though is Explorer doesn't release *all* of the memory it uses. So once you hit this limit, you have something like 70% of the resources you had before you hit the limit again.
So it happens quicker and quicker until you just have to reboot to regain your physics memory. (or run Quake3, which releases all unused Ram.. a tick I picked up from WinME)
Quote: "What difference does it make to you? You sold your soul to MS years ago. Get back to IE and be thankful I don't break it for you "
Makes no odds to me, but you said it yourself that FireFox is becomming used more and more on the forums. So I'd think a priority would be to correct the issue. Especially if your trying to advocate for FireFox.
It's like going around telling everyone to vote Labour while proudly displaying a Vote Conservative sticker on your bumper. :p
Quote: "It renders the forum exactly the way it should, exactly the way IE does. Nuff said. The JS issue isn't a "display" issue"
Let's go through the problems shall we?
- Fonts do not display correctly, this is most noticeable in the CodeBox.. a problem which is no doubt down to using a Font in CSS that FireFox *still* doesn't recognise. And jesus there's a an annoyingly HUGE amount of them.
- No Selection Block Tags. You still can't select a block of text like you can in Explorer can click 'http://' and put it in the tags. You try and it deletes what you put down. What's more annoying is you try to use it and the damn tag appears at the end of the text rather than where the cursor is. Also jumped the scroll to the begining again.. this also happens with the smilies.
- Topics do not display correctly. Eric's images different above are case&point. This overflows though.
Quote: "No browser, not IE7, not FF, will ever be fully standards compliant - not for many years to come."
I would like to see why... Explorer 7 emulates current Explorer 6 behaviour which you can turn on if a site doesn't display correctly.
Comes up in a bar above the display windows 'This site is not displaying correctly, what should I do?'
Just like downloads, and Pop-up Blocking do right now.
Quote: "18 advisories in 1 year is "worrying"? Very very few of which even offered any kind of remote vulnerability (if any?) or PC hijacking potential that IE did. "
It hasn't been a year yet, and it has been far more than that. It has been something like 48 in total so far. What is worrying is that it appears to be around 10-15 advisories each month, given the market share that FireFox has... THAT is the worrying part.
From Explorer you can expect it being targetted, but the fact that FireFox is now being targeted as well just shows that it is based on popularity rather than poor programming. Even more of a consern is the fact that main development team who keep the project updated and alive, have stated that the browser is more secure than Explorer.
While the facts are proving for themselves, given Explorer hasn't had a new flaw that allows someone to gain control of your system in over a year.. and as I said above the current ones don't allow total control. FireFox has had 3 in the last 2 months.
Quote: "It's the fact that the rendering engine is simply broken that I have an issue with (and in all those updates over all these years MS hasn't bothered to even try and fix it). That just grates, it's a slap in the face of what the Internet was designed for. MS arrogance if you will."
All of the browser issue arguments always revolve around security. As this is the most major issue being constantly thrown at Microsoft, that is the issue that they strive to repair.
It's the same with everything they develop. Everyone bitches about how Insecure and how Unstable it is... but when it comes down to it most of these are just people bitching about something that technically only affects a small portion of people.
Sorry but in terms of the new Firewall features. Sure it prevents a majority of attacks for everyone, but now I can't play or host games online if I'm using my router. Windows Firewall prevents it.. and turning it off is no good because there's a redundancy system, just incase some malicious a**hole gets through.
Then again... functionality isn't important, because Linux has "such and such security".
You know I'm truely sick and tired of hearing what other programs have and don't have. Especially given you'll hear such'n'such OS or Browser has a given feature... like the Browser can react to your talking.
Oooh wooow talking. But CAN IT RENDER USING CSS PROPERLY?! If not it can go take a flying leap with all the rest.
Using HTML, I can't get FireFox to display things correctly... using XHTML I can't get Explorer to display things correctly...
Either sodding way, I'm looking at loosing a market because it isn't compatible. And while these might seem like small niggles like how the forum is... IMO it isn't doing as I expect and want it to, therefor IT DOESNT WORK.
It's like programming Hardware Shaders. Oh wow ATI cards can automatically generate lost code and run just about anything you put on them.. That's fantastic except for the fact that it doesn't comply with the Standards and also means the shaders are unusable on 70% of the potencial market!
I don't care about the internal BS, what does what.. I just want them to work. From where I'm standing right now, Explorer has more functionality and works more how you expect it to using the current standards.
Your signature has been erased by a mod. Please resize it to under 600x120. Thanks!
