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vid1987
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Posted: 12th May 2005 06:16
Hello.. I am doing some research on Asperger Syndrome. (Geek Syndrome) A form of autism.

First of all i would like to point out that I have been tested for it a few years ago and the results were positive. I have Asperger Syndrome.

As i can see.. I'll assume most of you people from the TGC forums including me are "geeks" (if you are offended by this term then you probably DON'T have Geek Syndrome)

I am going to point out a few symptoms (my symptoms at least) of this unique lifelong so-called "disability".

[b]1. Obsessions. Being very (and by very i mean VERY) obsessed with things such as:
Computers
Video games
Techno music
Art
etc.

2.A love for art of almost any kind. Feeling the need to invent new things (such as games) or improve old inventions. and sometimes refusing to use things invented by someone else for example:
"I don't need an alarm clock I'll program my own alarm clock on DBP!!"

3.Going into deep trances when focusing on one thing for example: I'm programming a game or composing some music.
my mother might say "Hey I'm going to the store I'll be right back." and I would hear her saying it but I wouldn't even understand it until 5 minutes later I would think "Hey where did she go?"

4. Pacing the floors while thinking of a new invention.

5. Being very shy and finding it very hard to make friends.

Do any of you have these symptoms?

Peace

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1) Yes. I have a very very bad obbsession with modelling. Every real-world place I visit, all I can think about is how I can model my suroundings.

2) I often pace too much. (Mom yells at me for it)

3) I can't talk on the phone while using PC. (Or, can;t hear a single thing said to me while on PC)

4) I generally avoid people. No crowded areas, no groups. Although I do talk alot (Or when I have too) I hardly trust anyone anymore...

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Posted: 12th May 2005 06:35
Well 5 only applies to me: there are only about 5 people that I trust, I avoid crowds, but I don't care

I don't have Aspergers

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I have asperger syndrome. There are other symptoms that are associated with the disorder that you havent put up there.

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OMG! All of those except #4 describe me pefectly!

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me:

1) obsessed by PC, the band and girls
2) i feel the need to invent new things, not improve old things though.
3) true, true. one can talk to me when im not doing anything but mostly i dont get what the person sais.
4)
5) im not much of a talker, but finding friends isnt that hard really.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:14 Edited at: 12th May 2005 07:15
I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome about 5 years ago..

edit: And I agree with Mnemonix. In fact, most of the things you put are quite common in us forum folk


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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:22
I never even heard of the syndrome until I read an interview with the Bit Torrent creator, Bram Cohen, who has it.

1.) Obsessed with computers to the point where it bothers me to go even a few days without using one. WHen I went to the UK I made sure my father brought his laptop so I could at least tool around at night after the pubs were closed.

2.) That's me--- almost to the point of driving myself crazy. I find it difficult to get my ideas on paper, yet I have thousands of them, and I think about them when I sleep and when I'm in class trying to study something else. And writing music. But I wouldn't classify it as "bad" per se.

3.) Me as well.

4.) Haha. Yeah

5.) This one not so much. I was shy in high school but not anymore.

But pretty much all of those points are me.


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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:25
I could've written more but I had to go somewhere..

And as I expected.

I estimate about 50% of us in the TGC forums are aspies.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:31
I highly doubt that 50% of us have it. Asperger's syndrome in a lot of cases is quite a bit deeper than obsessions and pacing about.

For instance, impairment in social interaction (though that kind of has something to do with shyness), repetitive patterns of behavior.


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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:33
1. Not at all, I use computers a lot, doesnt bother me to go without for a long time though.

2. No, that would lead to me having to reinvent the wheel, and I'm too lazy to do that

3. Uhm, sometimes, depending how busy I am, but most definitely not always.

4. I have a tendency to scribble on paper, and write/draw my ideas out. I only pace when I am tired, cos I hate sitting still.

5. Not anymore, I have no problem talking to people and make friends quite easily.

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dc 1987

I highly doubt that you have knowledge enough to make such a generalization(sp). You dont know what 50% of the forum members habits are, you do not know fully what aspergers syndrome is, and you are most certainly not qualified to make that decision based on the evidence you have recieved. What you could say is that 50% of users on the forum fit the geek stereotype, which is quite possible. Aspergers is quite rare.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:39
Yes I forgot to mention the repetitive behavioral patterns such as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder... I was diagnosed with that as well.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:42
Yes, you are right Mnemonix, But this post is simply a research project I'm doing.. Please don't turn it into a debate.

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Asperger syndrome is not a good or bad condition. Its just a part of who I am, I cant change it, so I live with it, I wont victimize myself any longer.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:49
Quote: "Asperger syndrome is not a good or bad condition. Its just a part of who I am, I cant change it, so I live with it, I wont victimize myself any longer."


Exactly how I feel.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 07:53
Quote: "Yes I forgot to mention the repetitive behavioral patterns such as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder... I was diagnosed with that as well."

On the topic of OCD, I'm pretty sure I have mild form of it.


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Posted: 12th May 2005 08:03
I am too. Perhaps they are related.

OCD is when you just do wild things for no reason right?

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Posted: 12th May 2005 08:06
I thought OCD was when you do things like switch light switches on and off a certain number of times before leaving...well I don't do that but I do prefer to do some things by a set plan, like getting ready for school, all my clothes are ordered (not neat though)..I do like routines, but I can be extremely spontaeneous (sp)

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Posted: 12th May 2005 08:07 Edited at: 12th May 2005 08:11
Quote: "OCD is when you just do wild things for no reason right?"


Somebody in my class today stood up nad headbutted a glass picture frame. Don't think he's got OCD, but he's definately got something.

Isn't it a bit unfair to call Asberger's Syndrome Geek syndrome? I'm sure there must be people who disagree with that stereotype.

I am a shy person, and do often get obsessed by coding, and sometimes get obsessed trying to figure out a coding puzzle lying awake at night (especially if I'm trying ot figure out a really hard problem). Does that make me mentally ill?

I'm sure there's much more to it than what DC said but what DC described just seems to be personality. IMO that's no mental disorder, it's who you are.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 08:10 Edited at: 12th May 2005 08:12
geek syndrome makes perfect sense.
meanwhile...

oh yeah. thats me. when Ms.Call (my teacher) is plowing through her lessons that would make a snail feel fast, i blur my vision and try to figure out a programming problem. when i see everyone doing some in-class assignment, im confused.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 08:15 Edited at: 12th May 2005 08:22
Quote: "OCD is when you just do wild things for no reason right?"

Sounds more like ADD to me.

Quote: " I thought OCD was when you do things like switch light switches on and off a certain number of times before leaving"

That is exactly the kind of thing OCD is. Of course, that kind of example would be refered to as repetetive motor manerisms, but with me its more in my head so to speak..

Quote: "Isn't it a bit unfair to call Asberger's Syndrome Geek syndrome? I'm sure there must be people who disagree with that stereotype."

Well, I think people refer to it as that because some of the most common symptons you would find in Geeks

Actually while I'm here..

1. Not exactly. I do love my programming, but I remember when there was a problem with the computer and we didn't have it working for 3 weeks, but I didn't go mad.

2. Nothing wrong with inventiveness, although I have to agree that I do like to do things myself rather than use something someone else has made.

3. Not so much now, but I was a bit like it when I was younger.

4. Pacing is one of the things I do least. Only rarely do I pace about ever. EVAR

5. I am quite a shy person. I was quite bad when I was younger, but I'm somewhat better now I think. As for making friends, I wouldn't know really.. haven't exactly had that chance in a few years now.


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Posted: 12th May 2005 08:24 Edited at: 12th May 2005 08:28
i don't need to read the symptoms, i was diagnosed with asberger's syndrome a while ago although milder than the more severe symptoms you described. i have learned to adapt over the years so it is not very noticeable (except the exceptionally high science/maths marks).

i wasn't very good at making friends and was shy but am becoming more confident and make friends much more easily, my friendships usually last though, i think fewer but stable is better than loads that could turn on you any second.
i pace a lot, yep i tick that box
i often don't notice things when i am concentrating hard on something
my "obsession" would probably have been with physics and computers but i would rarely have considered myself obsessed, i was very interested in them though, my mind was always thinking about physics.
organising things is another symptom, in shops when i was small i used to sort the shelves and put things where they should be etc, my mum just wishes i did the same with my room now lol.
i am good at music and recently have been learning 3d modeling, my art drawing/painting skills were never up to much though, my art skills lie in programming, music and modeling.


i would not call asberger's syndrome so much a disability, it may have hinderences in some areas eg social skills and languages (although if you treat languages ilke a science then they an become easier) but it can also be an advantage. i grasp mathematical and physics principles almost instantly and this ease at grasping mathematical relationships is another "symptom" of asberger's in some people.
to show the extent it can aid comprehension of maths/physics i am realistically aiming for the top mark in scotland for higher physics this year. (exam 2weeks yesterday).

it is quite likely that many of the people here have mild asberger's syndrome, it often produces the sort of logical, problem solving mentality that is ideal for programming.

edit:missed the don't like to use other people's stuff one, i fall pertty much into that category, i don't like to use premade stuff a lot, especially programming, i like to work at a fairly low level and build my own functions, i prefer to do things like vector stuff myself than use built in functions etc. however i can live quite happily using things like a tv etc without feeling the urge to build my own tv, although i always like to know how things work, probably related to the interest in physics.

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Quote: "(except the exceptionally high science/maths marks)"

so that explains it

Quote: "to show the extent it can aid comprehension of maths/physics i am realistically aiming for the top mark in scotland for higher physics this year"

So depressing talking to him

If I know how to do something, then I do prefer to write it myself, or have it written by someone I trust more than some company I don't know. I guess that's just me being wierd

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IM NOT A GEEK! My computer told me so, and my program code gave me reassurance


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1. Check: copmuters, videogames, artsy stuff. I don't like visual art like paintings though, I like the way art could be meant to communicate messages in videogames, and I rather despise techno music and think it lacks some very important elements of quality music.

2. I like using Nuclear Glory, and Torque Engine, so I don't mind using other people's tools, I don't copy-paste code from across the forums though, and I hate buying used games. I would like to redefine the way the world perceives videogames, I guess that's improving something, did a little bit of inventing but never got as into it as other things.


3. Oh yes. All the time.

4. I like to think while sitting down and taking a dump, and I lay awake at night thinking about things, drives me nuts. So I usually get on the computer or read to get my brain occupied and tired.

5. I don't initiate friendships as well, but when ample opportunity is presented I don't mind it.

I don't think I qualify. I'm probably a geek, but not Asperger's Syndrome. I'm a band bum- Go Highland Marching Pride.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 10:41 Edited at: 12th May 2005 10:42
I get preoccupied, mildly obsessed, always pace, but I'm not shy. Well, I was shy, but I sort of overcame it. As for the rest I'm honestly not sure. Does it matter ? Whatever syndrome someone might be diagnosed with, all it boils down to is a set of similar character traits. We shouldn't live any differently than we want to just because we think we have a syndrome, should we?

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Hehe, I was diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder when I was a kid--- to the point where I saw a shrink every week. And yes I did have a problem with anything that wasn't an even number, so that resulted in pointless light switch flipping, entering/exiting doorways, and counting things.

I still have it today, and my fast typing is a result of it. Sometimes it drives me crazy because of the things I think about while, say, watching movies, to the point where I should go get some medication or something like that :-P


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Posted: 12th May 2005 11:27
Quote: "Whatever syndrome someone might be diagnosed with, all it boils down to is a set of similar character traits"

What do you mean by that? AS is part of Autism, Autism is an abnormality.

Quote: "We shouldn't live any differently than we want to just because we think we have a syndrome, should we?"

We don't. If some of us do, its because of how it affects us.


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1) of course...at least, once i learned programming

2) I guess, the only thing there that is me is "the need to invent new games"

3) obviously...(espicially during science, i have packets of paper from science class that I drew game plans on...)

4) no, only drawing...

5) once I got into dbpro, lost part of that, and ever since middle school, never had a scoial life...

OCD: no, don't even know what it is...

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Posted: 12th May 2005 11:41 Edited at: 12th May 2005 11:43
I've had some obsessive compulsive traits on and off myself. Sometimes I could not, for the life of me, stop walking (as Jeku mentions) on an odd number of footsteps, or on an odd number tile in the street or (sometimes even though), or the like. At one point I made all my sentances have an even number of words. The only way to really get around it was to lose count, which is tough because like sleeping, the harder you try, the less you succeed. That's faded to the point it only ever crops up on ocassion now though, and it's more of a subconcious thing that I can control if I think about.

The funny thing is I can not say whether it's because I worried about it so much that I sort of fulfilled by own prophecy, made it happen because I worried about it; or if something else caused it. I figure I'll never know either. Similar paradox as trying to force myself to stop counting in the first place. Life is full of that

I've heard it's very common, but haven't seen any statistics

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Quote: "Hehe, I was diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder when I was a kid--- to the point where I saw a shrink every week. And yes I did have a problem with anything that wasn't an even number, so that resulted in pointless light switch flipping, entering/exiting doorways, and counting things."


Yes that's almost the same way i am.

I got to the point where I felt that everybody was out to get me.

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Quote: "I've had some obsessive compulsive traits on and off myself. Sometimes I could not, for the life of me, stop walking (as Jeku mentions) on an odd number of steps, or on an odd number tile in the street (sometimes even though), or the like. The only way to really get around it was to lose count, which is tough because like sleeping, the harder you try, the less you succeed. That's faded to the point it only ever crops up on ocassion now though, and it's more of a subconcious thing that I can control if I think about."


exact same thing, can't fall asleep because of that, and I always have to have perfect symetry (even when I was doing legos several yeras ago) and when I climb stairs, I always try to be able to skip the last step before the top, and skipping all the other steps...

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1. Obsessions. - yep

2.A love for art of almost any kind. - im part crazy artist tho so does this count to me?

3.Going into deep trances when focusing on one thing - nope, doing too many things at once to focus on one thing at a time. i like trance music tho

4. Pacing the floors while thinking of a new invention.- nope but i think when on the bowl of splashback joy.

5. Being very shy and finding it very hard to make friends. - nope

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MIght as well answer these now I have more time....

1. Obsessions - yes. I do like to go on the computer and program, *BUT* going on for hours at a time or just 45 mins has hte same effect on me. I don't go crazy if I go on holiday and cna't go on it for a few days.

2. I'm musical but I don't get mad at using things made by others. I can't care less who who a PHP class I'm using

3. I do sometimes get absorbed by programming but not to a trace-like state

4. Pacing - no

5. Tiny bit shy with strangers, but once the ice is broken very confident.

Igrasp mathematical and physics principles almost instantly and this ease at grasping mathematical relationships is another "symptom" of asberger's in some people.

Same here - when a physics equation is written on th board, I grasp it straight away. No need for any of the long-inded explanations some people need.

Although, I'm also very good with languages - so perhaps that's a good sign

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I have asparagus syndrome.

I mean FFS why must every personality trait be nailed into a pigeon hole so that any individuality people once had is properly freakin categorised for the benefit of the stupid.

Geek syndrome sounds like a good excuse for your kid being a geek, ohh don't mind Timmy, he'll grow up to earn far more than his father ever did, he has a medical condition you see.

It's the same people inventing these conditions that are medicating their kids and trying to pin the blame for having fat kids on some gland disorder nobody ever heard of 5 minutes ago. I mean, most of the symptoms are positive traits, I dread the day when being determined to do something is a bad thing.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 18:57
Well I guess it's hard to understand if you don't have said syndrome.

Are you saying that Autism is something that's made up to pigeonhole people? Asperger's is a mild form of Autism, no?


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Autism? - does anyone actually know what that is though?

The major flaw in the theory is the severly impaired communication skills and socilism part - I mean, the very fact that we're discussing this on a forum casts doubt on the whole thing for me.

Looking at the symptoms I'm probably a severe sufferer, should I go around telling people I have:
a) Geek Syndrome
b) A form of Autism
c) Personality traits that are so common that they should'nt be tagged onto a disorder of any sort.


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Quote: "1. Obsessions. Being very (and by very i mean VERY) obsessed with things such as:
Computers
Video games
Techno music
Art
etc.
"

i dont know if i can call myself obsessed but i've been playing half-life on and off for 4 years. i listen to trance music almost everyday.

Quote: "2.A love for art of almost any kind. Feeling the need to invent new things (such as games) or improve old inventions. and sometimes refusing to use things invented by someone else for example:
"I don't need an alarm clock I'll program my own alarm clock on DBP!!"
"

nope i dont think i have this one.

Quote: "3.Going into deep trances when focusing on one thing for example: I'm programming a game or composing some music.
my mother might say "Hey I'm going to the store I'll be right back." and I would hear her saying it but I wouldn't even understand it until 5 minutes later I would think "Hey where did she go?"
"

i get this one when watching tv, when my parents talk i can just barely hear them, then i hear my name and go "eh?", maybe i concentrate too much on things.

Quote: "4. Pacing the floors while thinking of a new invention.
"

nope

Quote: "5. Being very shy and finding it very hard to make friends.
"

true, i think the only way of me making friends, if i get dumped into a room with them or someone introduces me to them.

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Posted: 12th May 2005 19:57
It is more likely more people here suffer from A.D.D. rather than Aysper.

I can relate to each of the 5 things posted above, but in no fashion could they be used to describe me.

The Syndrome is effected by your logical dictaction and interpretation to constantly HAVE to improve your surroundings by any means possible. It doesn't just relate to Computing.

Obsessive behaviour comes from a lack of will-power within a given area, this is really the basis of most syndromes. Kinda like a cornerstone.

You are ONLY obsessed with something, if you are unable to stop doing something when you want to. Say for example your working on some killer application but your thirsty and need to go to the shops for a drink.

An obsessive person will still be trying to do it 6 hours later, because they can't leave without finishing the next line which apparently never comes. These are people you have to literally drag from the screen, and tell them to get something from the candy machine to keep themselves alive.

Your second one about artwork is wrong. It is not an artistic affliction to be creative, but an affliction for someone to believe that only they can improve a given situation through thier understandings. Most of the time they can only get as far as knowing what they want to do, and rarely get further than attaining the knowlage to ACTUALLY accomplish it.

This is a major difference between an artist, because they don't vye for improving the world.. they just want to retell the world how they interpret it. It is another form of communication, lost with all translation with the modern art.. as they're just trying to convey raw and simple emotions than explain a tapestry of the world with all it's interwoven strands.

Trances.. erm well that's not a trance that's just concentrating on something else. Whenever I'm working on a project I'll often hear (and even react to people) but be so fully integrated in to what I'm doing that I don't really realise what is going on around me. It provides focus, but doesn't mean I'm in a trance or such, just a simple fact that I can't concentrate on more than 1 or 2 things at once.

I'm a guy... we can't multi-task, nowt to do with being able to trance.

Pacing, helps people focus. Simply because your concentrating on something else, like pacing so your mind can't actually go off track and try to think of something else. As I said above, we're guys, we can't multi-task... most of us can only do 1 or 2 things, as such you busy yourself with a second thing if the first thing can't take up both thought tracks.

For women they can seem to seemlessly multi-task hundreds of things at once.

As for being Shy.. well that describes over half the worlds population. Most people are afraid of new things, locations or just simply not knowing what to expect. As such this means you Shy away and try not to communicate until someone less shy than you starts a dialog.

Really the correct symtom is not someone who is Shy, but someone who refuses human contact. That although will work in a social situation will prefer to just sit on thier own doing thier own thing. Not to the point where they TRY to push people away (that's something different) but to the point where they're almost afraid of being social.

It's more likely most people here actually suffer from A.D.D. . It has similar symtoms.
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Quote: "It's the same people inventing these conditions that are medicating their kids and trying to pin the blame for having fat kids on some gland disorder nobody ever heard of 5 minutes ago. I mean, most of the symptoms are positive traits, I dread the day when being determined to do something is a bad thing."


I compeletely agree with you, but we've already been over this whole thing 6 months ago so I'm not going to go into it again.


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Congratulations on that post Raven, there is a lot of truth in what you say. Very pertinent points indeed.

Quote: "Looking at the symptoms I'm probably a severe sufferer, should I go around telling people I have:
a) Geek Syndrome
b) A form of Autism
c) Personality traits that are so common that they shouldn't be tagged onto a disorder of any sort."


That just about describes me too

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Quote: "I mean, most of the symptoms are positive traits"

I suppose you have looked it up have you? You're basing this of the symptons you have found on a site about AS?

Quote: "c) Personality traits that are so common that they should'nt be tagged onto a disorder of any sort."

I'm sorry, but if you count repetitive motor mannerisms as a common trait, I worry for you.

Asperger's syndrome describes someone at the start of the Autism spectrum, and therefore saying its just some made up condition of common traits is stupid. Its almost like saying you don't believe in HTTP. And, saying that based of these 'symptoms' that DC stated is kinda crazy of you as well. I agree that some of the symptons DC stated are very common in normal people, but he didn't state the more serious symptoms associated with AS.

Quote: "It's more likely most people here actually suffer from A.D.D. . It has similar symtoms."

Hint: look up the conditions online, they'll tell you the real symptoms.

Of course, understanding what these symptoms are is not easy unless you have the have the condition yourself, and thats why you can't self-diagnose yourself. Thats another reason why some people don't truely believe in Autism ...


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Posted: 12th May 2005 22:08
Benjamin,
I was replying to a thread made on a forum - I don't have the time to research every little thing posted in gen discussion.

Now if you read the first post, can you tell me where the negative trait is?

The problem is that by the time the information filters down, you have people assuming they have conditions because it sounds familiar - like ohh, I stared into space for 10 minutes today, I could just be tired or I could have a disorder.

As for repetitive motor mannerisms - well it might be positive, have you ever given anyone a back rub?...

Lots of normal people like symmetry, if I scratch one spot I often scratch the opposite spot as well, otherwise things feel unbalanced. But the point I'm making is that we should'nt assume that there's a problem with this - anyone who knows about back rubs will tell you that you should always use both hands, never take your hands off the back, and maintain symmetry because it's more relaxing. The human brain likes things to be balanced, and that's no secret or mystery at all.

My grandad used to walk through the house, and for every light switch he'd say 3 times 'halls alright' or 'kitchens alright', now that's not normal behaviour, and some people would be concearned - but I fail to see the problem.


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Quote: "As for repetitive motor mannerisms - well it might be positive, have you ever given anyone a back rub?..."

Don't mock me.

Quote: "My grandad used to walk through the house, and for every light switch he'd say 3 times 'halls alright' or 'kitchens alright', now that's not normal behaviour, and some people would be concearned - but I fail to see the problem"

If it doesn't affect anyone(or him) then its not what I would call a problem.


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Who's mocking you?

If you read the whole post I made it tells you why I mention that, it was really the best example I could think of.


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Quote: "Hint: look up the conditions online, they'll tell you the real symptoms."


I take it your suddenly a Doctor? I know that I'm not, I just know from a number of converstations with my Ex that these disorders; are quite often mis-diagnosed.

Tell you what gets on my nerves is how some people use disorders as an excuse. I suffer from mild dyslexia, but both of my brothers have more serious things on-top of the dyslexia.. you can see when they're trying to do daily tasks, that it affects them; and they don't even realise it.

Look through this thread, and people are interpreting what is said above.. taking it to be 'gold' that this is what this disorder is about. A number of the posts spout off about certain aspects, yet they play not only a small roll but more importantly they are gauged in a completely different mannor than they have been put across.

Just another thred about people having a say that not only they don't really know anything about, but have never experienced or been close to someone who suffers from each of these conditions.

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Quote: "that these disorders; are quite often mis-diagnosed."

I've read that too.

Quote: "Tell you what gets on my nerves is how some people use disorders as an excuse"

What do you mean an excuse?


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Well... Asperger Syndrome does slow me down a bit but it never results in anger with me...

And because I have Asperger Syndrome I get disability checks in the mail and I'm going to use that money to get started in college..

Overall this Asperger Syndrome has it's down sides but I am proud of my ability to invent and my constant thirst for computer knowledge.

Peace

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1. Yup...When went on holiday once I had to use Library computers to check my email...

2. Yup

3.yup (again)...When im on the PC i usually ignore everything else...

4.Nope

5.Yep...

Uh oh...


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