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Metel Artz
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hello these are just suggestions that i think would help the forums. i personally get mad when mods jump to conclusions and lock posts so the user can't explain, then forcing them to re-post. not saying mods are bad. mods are very useful. anyway i think that there should be a 24hour time period for either the user to explain, or not do anything at all or maybe not 24 hours probably less then that more like 3 or 4 so as not to waste time.

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The user can email the mod to make a complaint

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yes i know that but ive email mods and none reply but maybe it went to a junk folder or something but this post is just my opinion.

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Let's see ... what's the common factor here ... oh, maybe it's you.

Which post of yours got locked this time then?

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Posted: 17th May 2005 08:06 Edited at: 17th May 2005 08:07
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see this is what im talking about no offens but mods do jump to conclusions. you thought one of my posts got locked and therefore i would post this but no, ive had posts locked in the past but this post is not the reason of that. im just giving suggestions to post locking that i think will be helpful to the forums AND users. (sorry to get so offensive )

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Quote: "yes i know that but ive email mods and none reply but maybe it went to a junk folder or something but this post is just my opinion.
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I have only received one email within the last year about a locked forum thread.


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A 24 hour delay in locking threads means 24 more hours of bitching, fighting and plain old crap being posted. With this in mind, I'll continue to lock posts that break the AUP immediately, and I'd assume that the other mods will too.

I don't know which mod or mods didn't reply to your messages regarding locked posts, but I can say that I always have replied when I get an email - I can't do or say more than that.

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We don't have 24 hours of tender loving care to dedicate to every piece of crap we have to lock .

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i do agree that its stupid that u dont get a chance to reply or explain after a locked thread. I dont like the 24 hour idea, i think it should be that only the thread starter should get to post ONE more time after their thread is locked.

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Quote: "I'll continue to lock posts that break the AUP immediately, and I'd assume that the other mods will too."
my other suggestion was to have the AUP link at the top of the post thing so people dont have to look for it. when i first joined, i saw every one talking about the AUP but i couldnt find it anywere. until some mod told me it was at the BOTTOM of the post so it would be helpful to have the AUP link bigger and in a diff. spot

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Why make a second chance system when the user can simply email us? If you look at it realistically, along with dragging out stupid flamewars more, a rule like that would mean more posts get locked that shouldn't, because once the poster has had one chance to reply, we'd be less likely to regard their personal messages after that. Email conversations can be as long and intricate as they need to be to resolve the issue of a locked thread without dragging out posts which nobody wants to stay open.

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Yea, mods can lock things when they do not need to be locked...im sure your absolutely right...
...but there is nothing you can do about it, so your SCREWED!, deal with it.


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um...every1 hurry up and post your last few posts in this thread...i feel that mods are getting mad that people are complaining about their job and will lock this soon......

@Mods:

sorry about the stereotyping, but that's what you guys have made us all do, worry about you. We say one thing bad, and our posts get locked immediatly (most of hte time) In my oppinion, the mods need to cool down a bit, and give people a chance to explain themselves. I don't think you're thinking this, but it takes less space on the server to let people explain themselves then it does for the people having to find out their mistake and repost. Ya, i know there is a lot of room on these servers, but (don't know if this is a stereotype or not) mods tend to lock posts because they think the posts are taking up worthless space on the server.

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Posted: 17th May 2005 10:59 Edited at: 17th May 2005 11:00
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Quote: "We say one thing bad, and our posts get locked immediatly (most of hte time)"


Bullcrap. Sorry, but simply looking at four pages of history in GD that is obviously completely false. We lock spam, pointless posts and flamewars. Reasonable discussions about forum policy are not locked.

If you're obsessively worrying about your posts being locked, it's because you spam too much. 99% of the users here have never had a single one of their posts locked; it's the 1% who make a habit out of wasting their and other peoples' time that do (with the exception of arguments/debates, which probably account for 5-10% of locking in total).

I have not seen in my entire history on Apollo five threads that were locked out of anger or spite, and in the rare cases when that does happen, the situation has always been fixed quickly.

Not only that, but if you feel a moderator is out of line, there are twenty others, and the forum admisitrator, who will be glad to fairly assess the situation.

You do not have some unalienable right to waste other users' time and spam up the forum with meaningless posts, burying the discussions with merit that actually interest most of the people who visit the forum. If it angers you that spam and trash are not allowed here, feel free to spend your time somewhere else.

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Quote: "Bullcrap. Sorry, but simply looking at four pages of history in GD that is obviously completely false. We lock spam, pointless posts and flamewars. Reasonable discussions about forum policy are not locked."
what is everyone prob??!!? i made this post as a suggestion, NOT some mod/user fight.

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Posted: 17th May 2005 11:04 Edited at: 17th May 2005 11:04
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Well I wasn't replying to you was I

(Furthermore note that my posts in this thread represent my opinion, not the Moderator Consensus. Don't be silly and equate us to one another, we're quite different, and hardly a hivemind.)

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Posted: 17th May 2005 11:09
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I'd also like to see these grossly irrational locked threads. Flamebaits, offensive material and pointless threads are the only things that get locked as far as I can tell.

But seriously, what is everyones obsession with the mods? Can't you just go about your daily business without having to make a new thread about the way we do things all the time? For gods sake, this is just a forum, it's not the end of the world if a post gets locked!


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Posted: 17th May 2005 11:11 Edited at: 17th May 2005 11:13
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Quote: " Well I wasn't replying to you was I

(Furthermore note that my posts in this thread represent my opinion, not the Moderator Consensus. Don't be silly and equare us to one another, we're quite different.)"
well i know you were replying to him but it seems almost pointless to fight over a post that CLEARLY says suggestion, and i know you were saying your oppinion and i respect that but like what nittrixik said sometimes mods are a little mean and need to just kind of chill out but this isnt going directly to you its going to every mod. so please dont get offended. again this post was not to fight but for my opinion and suggestion.

Edit: thats what im saying exeat, thank you!

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Some people just obsess far too much about how their favorite online community is handled. You see the same things in pretty much every popular forum; the Elder Scrolls forums and the Gamespot forums come to mind.

Meanwhile, another post with decent content is hidden from page one view so a few people have room to whine about a rule they don't like

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Frankly, I don't think we're mean or need to chill out. If you get a post locked by breaking the rules, you probably deserve a little of our sarcasm-- it's not like we make personal attacks or anything along those lines.

I have far more often seen the community beat upon someone they don't like and the mods have to intervene on that person's behalf.

(Edit: Two posts in a row, I'm very bad )

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Quote: "it's not like we make personal attacks or anything along those lines. "
well alot of poeple think that you are. i dont think that though. but again, i wrote this post as a SUGGESTION! suggestions mean that it doesnt have to happen. therefore theres no real reason for everyone to get all pissed off about this post!! but again i still think there should be some kind of lock that lets only the author of a post make a reply when its locked but ONLY one becuase it would be sooo much easier and again a suggestion doesnt even mean you had to reply or even read it. this whole give the author a last minute to explain thing is just a suggestion so please people, dont get so defensive over it and im not talking about just the mods either!
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Quote: "I'd also like to see these grossly irrational locked threads."


Okay...not sure about you, but I call this irrationally locked (compared to the second thread):

mine:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=52467&b=2

the thread I'm comparing mine to:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53378&b=2


Mine got locked, when in my oppinion, the thread that i'm comparing mine to says the exact same thing. Plus, if you look at the first moderator post in my thread, the mod only says nothing about me being inpolite (which in my oppinion i wasn't) but the mod says that "the concept" of having the board is already talked about and NO (not his words in the thread, but my translation put together with other posts about this)

If that wasn't an irrational lock, then please tell me what I should've done so that it became like the second thread, becuase in my oppinion, i don't see a difference.


Quote: "Well I wasn't replying to you was I"


that in itself is an irrational and mean comment, excluding the person who posted above. But thankfully Mouse included that smiley, which saved me from having to write another big paragraph about irrationaltility(word?)



I hate not taking both sides, so I'll post on the Moderator's side: "We're nice people, but we're humans, so we make mistakes"

A dual example of that statement along with a good example on what to do if you think a mod is being unfair follows: (the first thread originally posted, the second some time later)

Thread1:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=52378&b=8

Thread2(the perfect response to such irrationaltility):
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53578&b=2


(sorry to say, but I just realized it's locked...guess it was done with so it's okay, but there are some quotes in there by moderators that i'm not so sure of...)

Man that took forever.....wonder howmany posts went by?


wait, metzel, u talking to me?! i'm not defensive, just proving my point, no point going pointing fingers at random folks (okay, why'd i just write that? i don't mean to be mean....(or offensive))

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i didnt say you specificly Nitrixik, but i was saying that to everyone who does get defensive.

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Quote: "If that wasn't an irrational lock, then please tell me what I should've done so that it became like the second thread, becuase in my oppinion, i don't see a difference."


Don't post about team requests, period. The reason the second thread was allowed was most likely because the issue kept cropping up and we decided it was best to let people have their voices heard, now that that's done, any more posts about team requests will be locked on sight again. Seriously, the TR board isn't coming back, ever.


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correct? neofish doesn't count...neither does leys...and you wouldn't pick on yourself...yay! i actually get noticed for once!! I am happy ) ) )

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i have an idea 3 locked posts = 24 hour ban. how about them apples

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that's unfair...like the last link I posted, locked, but poster had nothing to do with it. And why lock posts? just delete them, makes it easier on every1, they think it was a server crash or something.


[edit] Talking about irrational locks by moderators, what about irrational posts? (this is linked because irrational posts tend to lead to irrational locks by mods)

Let's see who can identify this phrase by a moderator? I personally haven't seen a more irrational one...(i'm not trying to be offensive, but trying to prove my point):

Quote: "What DLL?"


This proves a few things:

1) Mods don't always read threads, when they get mad at people that don't read threads (don't ask me to prove it, just acknowledge it)

2) Who knows...I had it on the tip of my (would I say fingers or mouth? i talk with my mouth, but i type this message with my fingers...)

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@Nitrixik - In my post to your first link, what I said was very honest and true. There was NOTHING offensive in it at all. Maybe you should read it again

Quote: "just delete them, makes it easier on every1"


No this is worse. People will then create new threads with titles like 'Where did my post about x go!?'

Quote: "Let's see who can identify this phrase by a moderator? I personally haven't seen a more irrational one...(i'm not trying to be offensive, but trying to prove my point):

Quote: "What DLL?""


That was me. And what's irrational about it? Here, I'll link to the thread:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53889&b=2

I'm asking a real question. Black Shadow is asking for a DLL, and I'm asking 'What DLL?'. What's wrong with that!?! You should grow a spine, man

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And that thread wasn't even locked! What are you on about?

EDIT AGAIN:

Yes, I DID read the thread, and I know he was initially asking for a certain DLL. But toward the end of the thread, he's referring to instrument DLLs. Did you read that part? How do I know what DLL he's referring to now?


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actually i have a question, can the author of a post, can he/she request a deletion of a post they made??

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Presumably you can ask for your post to be deleted but chances are it won't be without a very, very good reason.


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...and if you do indeed have a very, very good reason, chances are it'll be seen and deleted by a Mod before you get a chance to ask for deletion.

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Quote: "Yes, I DID read the thread, and I know he was initially asking for a certain DLL. But toward the end of the thread, he's referring to instrument DLLs. Did you read that part? How do I know what DLL he's referring to now?
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I am very sorry about that...i've been having a bad day. But rereading that thread, I still recognized that he was only asking for that first dll.

To everyone:

I am sorry, been having a stressfull day and any1 who is/has been a teen knows what teens like to do with their anger...


Sorry,

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Quote: "can the author of a post, can he/she request a deletion of a post they made?"


I had this fight with a user in the Programming Talk forum a while back - he edited all the questions out of his thread once they were answered, making all of the replies I posted absolutely useless.

The point is that this forum isn't just for you. It's for everyone. I certainly don't want to have to continually post the same old answers to the same old questions over and over - that would be one of the results of allowing users to delete their own threads.

In reply to the whole thread - the current system works, and works well. It doesn't really need any changes of policy ... a few functionality changes, but no policy changes.

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So how exactly do you define the difference between a debate and 'bitching'?

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Quote: "Let's see who can identify this phrase by a moderator? I personally haven't seen a more irrational one...(i'm not trying to be offensive, but trying to prove my point):

Quote: "What DLL?""


I don't want to reinforce stereotypes here but you're picking the wrong people to try and have a cat fight with.

I try to be as lenient as possible - heck I resisted banning a guy called "cock muncher" because he posted something vaguely sensible - but everybody has thresholds. How somebody reacts will be directly proportional to what sort of impression they have of you. I know that is Ilya posted something borderling I'd lock straight away compared to, say, if a nice guy like Nick Thompson.

Mods aren't meant to be pillars of the community or people to be feared. We just clean up. And yes while some are probably more lock happy than others I think the forum would be in a bad state without us - in the past few days there's been a large troll attack. Any of you non mod people noticed anything really bad? Thought not.

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Quote: "I personally haven't seen a more irrational one..."


*waves*

Hey, I'm right here!

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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but here's my 2 cents.

I've never had one of my posts locked. It has been my experience that the Mod's have generally been helpful, and reserved in the use of their ability to lock threads. Most of the time their work makes the forum more enjoyable to read.

A very high percentage of the locked threads that I have seen have been just, and correct. For the small percentage that have a legitimate dispute, I have seen the Mod's make corrections, retractions, admit mistakes, and even reopen threads.

More times than not, I'm suprised that certain threads aren't locked sooner. I have a feeling (IMHO), that Mod's try hard to give threads a chance and do not rush to quick judgement. But, If it clearly is just spam or breaks the common sense rules; I can usually see the lock coming from a mile away.

Mod's aren't going to be perfect, but with the volume of posts, I think they do the best they can. I don't think they are out to get us, nor do I believe that they get a kick out locking threads for no reason. It doesn't seem to hard to e-mail them????

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Quote: " Presumably you can ask for your post to be deleted but chances are it won't be without a very, very good reason."
well then not deletion so other people CAN view them but what about locked?

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You can request for your post to be locked. Sometimes it will be; for example, if it's your game announcement. Other times it won't be. Remember you don't own a thread you write, it's part of the community discussion

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heh,

Another one of Metal Artz's posts just got locked.

(Kind of humorous given the topic of this thread.)

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I dont see the problem with allowing one "explanation post" by the author of the thread after it is locked. Ive had 4 of my threads locked (oops ) ), and out of those, 1 i wanted locked (a team request gone bad on the no longer existant board), 1 i can partially see why it was locked, but i dont think it was bad enough to get locked (http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53578&b=2), 1 a person decided to be a jerk (http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=45396&b=1), and 1 was actually unlocked after i proved it shouldnt have been locked through a new thread (http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=53578&b=2)(which was later locked ), and this could have been prevented by letting me have an explanation post. The worst result of an "explanation post" by the author could be getting mad at the mod, who could then just ban them for a day or two and let em calm down. The best result would be that the person would explain himself, and the thread would be unlocked (as i have shown with one of my own thread).

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Posted: 18th May 2005 05:27
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I hate to be the pessimist, but....

Unfortunately Gil, I think we would see many posts like "Hey why did you lock this?", rather than an explanation such as the one's you have expressed.

That would use up their one post. So they would still start a thread saying "My post was locked...". Then I can see a debate in the forums between Mods and Users.

I think these things are better handled via e-mail to save the rest of the community from having to be a part of every dispute.

Then again, I could be wrong. And I can see your point. Perhaps it could work, but I don't think the policy will be changed regardless.

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Posted: 18th May 2005 05:35
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I understand what you mean but if they did start a "My post was locked..." thread then they could just be banned, and then, if they werent stupid, they wouldnt do it again .

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Posted: 18th May 2005 06:06
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I like your thinking Gil.

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Posted: 18th May 2005 06:09 Edited at: 18th May 2005 06:10
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thanks

EDIT: btw...its nice to be able to have a friendly discussion with someone without it turning into a raging debate .

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Posted: 18th May 2005 08:31
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Funny how it's normally n00bs who bitch on about this sort of thing all the time. Or is it? Perhaps some new IDs for oldies who would rather hide behind a different name than grow a set. I mean grief, it's a bloody forum, not your life or anything amazingly important; get over it. And have you noticed there is always one person who is constantly locked, then dissapears for another to appear. It's like the Sith, but only one....

IMHO the logic should be changed to allow one more post from the author only. This would make the author happy, plus we could all have a good laugh at 99% of them

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Posted: 18th May 2005 08:39
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Which author? It may not be the original poster who caused the problem ... but then again, it may be ... or maybe even someone a few posts back. Which one gets the final reply? Is that fair to (potentially) the person they are flaming?

I can't see any fair way of doing that. I don't even think it's necessary.

Besides, everyone knows that the mods always like to get the last word in

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Posted: 18th May 2005 08:55 Edited at: 18th May 2005 09:06
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hmmmm, possibly a First Person Shooter Idea...

Setting: The Forum
Baddies: Mods who walk around with Locks, and snicker at the helpless peasant users.
Mission: Save all the threads regardless of content. It's you against the Mods, let your weapon be the final word!

Will you be brave enough to save the free world?

That Flinstone fella has got to be an easy target.

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Quote: "Is that fair to (potentially) the person they are flaming?
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Well, thats when you ban them , if they just use their last post to flame, ban em for a day or two .

@zenassem: Nice idea, lol.

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