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David R
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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 02:23 Edited at: 14th Jul 2005 04:09
After the tragic London bombs, and other terrorist attacks, a group of people hhave put together a site named 'we're not afraid'.

Its using images to represent the fact that Britain and no other country in the world are afraid of terrorism.

http://www.werenotafraid.com/

supporting a good cause, so please don't see this as external advertising.

See the site to upload your own image, and show that YOU are not afraid

Long live freedom!

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 02:30
What if you ARE afraid?

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 03:44
I'm afraid of...of monkeys!

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 03:52
I am quite very afraid of terrorists. Personally, I just try to avoid them.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 03:55
Quote: " What if you ARE afraid?"


Then we hide under out bedcovers; and knowing you Jimmy.. our OWN bedcovers...

I like the idea of the site, some of the photos are very comical!

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 04:07
The wording is rather odd. "We're not afraid of what happened in London"... surely should be "We're not afraid (even) after what happened in London."

Good site anyway

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 04:11
Yeah. I just thought was a nice cause, and is a clever way of (trying) to show terrorists, that their effort is in vain.

I also submitted my pic
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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 04:45 Edited at: 14th Jul 2005 04:45
Too plain.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:17
Terrorists aren't trying to scare people.

They're trying to kill people.

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Quote: " Terrorists aren't trying to scare people.

They're trying to kill people.
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Which IS scary.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:22
They are trying to kill people yes, but if they are able to scare people, they know their attempts are working (since they are trying to show how little control we actually have over them).

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:23
We have NO control over terrorists. You cannot kill terrorism, you just can't!

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:27
And you just can't shut up.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:42
Quote: "You cannot kill terrorism, you just can't!"


Suicide ones kill them self.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:46
that's killing a terrorist, not terrorism.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 05:50
I think everyone should beat up Jimmy

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 07:25
Quote: " I think everyone should beat up Jimmy"


I think Jimmy should, would and could beat up you

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 07:35
Quote: "You cannot kill terrorism, you just can't!"


You can make em think twice.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 08:02
Quote: "You can make em think twice."


You can make a particular terrorist think twice, but there will always be more.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 08:03
Quote: "You can make a particular terrorist think twice, but there will always be more."


And you can stop a murderer or rapist, but there will always be more. Does that mean it's not worthwhile to try to stop murder and rape?

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 08:05 Edited at: 14th Jul 2005 08:06
but do we waste hundreds of thousands of soldiers to stop a murder? Do we seek foriegn help to stop every murder?

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 08:45 Edited at: 14th Jul 2005 08:46
Yes.

I think what everyone has lost sight of is why these soldiers sign up. I know why, I've talked to my brother about it. Maybe you should find a soldier and ask him or her about it.

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Quote: "Maybe you should find a soldier and ask him or her about it."


I have talked to many soldiers that i know, in all branches of the military. Some like what they are doing, but most are strongly against it and do it only because they are desperate for money.

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Leys, you're an idiot. You have not talked to anyone. You just put "I have talked to many soldiers that i know, in all branches of the military. Some like what they are doing, but" on the front of your own opinion. Just shut up.

Quote: "This whole war only existed because we only fight when REVENGE is involved. Now we have had our revenge and we are sick of it. (And if you dissagree with the fact that wars are fought over revenge, talk to my am hist teacher. Some how he will convince you otherwise)"


I made that conclusion, FOR MYSELF, long ago. See, I have a brain that I use for thinking. When I use it right it is very seldom influenced by the opinions of others. Mind you, I take them into account, but the final decision is my own.

Frankly, I support the war, even on the basis of revenge.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 11:05 Edited at: 14th Jul 2005 11:06
Quote: " McDonnalds = Money
Military = Money + 90% Possiblity of Death.
McDonnalds <> Military."


McDonalds does not equal near the pay you get from joining the Military but don't be mistaken, there are also other reasons. Such as, College benefits. In particular one Marine I knew said that he will get his Bachelors degree in only 2.5yrs from the school of his choice, because the military has deals with many different schools.

Quote: "Leys, you're an idiot. You have not talked to anyone. You just put "I have talked to many soldiers that i know, in all branches of the military. Some like what they are doing, but" on the front of your own opinion. Just shut up."


I suggest you don't make a weak attempt at flaming unless you actually know what you're talking about.

Quote: "Really... unless you know the full story of many wars, you might arrive to the conclusion that we do it because "We are the 'Good Guys'". Easy to believe just as it is easy to believe after 12 years of your BabySitter of a teacher tells you "Ohh... the indians LOVED the white man, they cherished him and gave him food and sat with him all happy and nice." I blame the school system. It is run by the government and the government wants to make a strong impression of us being good before telling you that we are bad to the core. Just hiding behind the mask of "Goodness", brainwashing it's citizens."


That somewhat makes sense. However, when fighting a war there is no universal good and bad side. The side your on(whatever side) is always the "good" side as long as you believe what your fighting for. The ones opposing you will always be the "bad" side. The governments isn't trying to corrupt anyone through school systems, they are simply stating things from THEIR point of view. Likewise, if you lived in another country, they would always say they were the "good" people in wars.

Quote: "Thus being said. I doubt that people would fight a war that they dissagreed with only for money."


Such as prostitutes doing what they do because they think it's morally right? Same type of thing...they do it for money. People will do amazing things if they need money.

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Quote: "Quote: "Leys, you're an idiot. You have not talked to anyone. You just put "I have talked to many soldiers that i know, in all branches of the military. Some like what they are doing, but" on the front of your own opinion. Just shut up."

I suggest you don't make a weak attempt at flaming unless you actually know what you're talking about.
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And I suggest that you don't make a weak attempt at avoiding the truth. Take another look, that's not flaming. Calling everything a flame won't be the solution to your problems. Locating the intuitive portion of your brain might help, you stupid zombie.

I give up. You're so frickin dense, I don't want to waste my time anymore.

Good day, young skywalker.

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Quote: "that's not flaming."

Quote: "Leys, you're an idiot"


Quote: "And I suggest that you don't make a weak attempt at avoiding the truth. "


First off, the was no truth in you trying to prove me wrong as it was just what you "thought". Secondly, simply because someone has a different view than you does not make them wrong about facts.

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It does when you lie about talking to members of the military.

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Quote: "I give up."

Then why keep posting?

Quote: " It does when you lie about talking to members of the military."


Yes, it does when you LIE about it. But in this case, there is no lie on my part. So once again, please don't speak against me unless you have the facts. By the way - opinion does NOT equal fact.

Now chill out and go sit in the corner.

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Quote: "You are contradicting yourself."


Having more than one reason in doing something does not contradict the first reason.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 11:38
so I worded it wrong, my mistake.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 22:55 Edited at: 14th Jul 2005 22:56
Leys isn't the biggest idiot here. (No offence David)

Quote: "Military = Money + 90% Possiblity of Death."


First of all, there is no 90% death rate in the majority of wars, especially in Iraq for the US soldiers. (Unless the entire US arrmed forces consist of 1500 troops) And never was, even in WW2. I do not know where you got this number.


Quote: "And if you dissagree with the fact that wars are fought over revenge, talk to my am hist teacher. Some how he will convince you otherwise"


Wars are fought for various reasons are not all for Revenge. Did Japan invade China for Revenge? The Allies didn't strike back against Hitler out of revenge, but out of the mere fact that they could no longer sit there while some madman took over Europe.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 23:04
Quote: "Terrorists aren't trying to scare people.

They're trying to kill people."


You better lookup the definiton of 'Terrorism' then.


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Hehe, revenge must be a great teaching tool in history...

Why did the Germans invade poland? - REVENGE
Why did the Chinese build the great wall? - REVENGE
How did Napolean loose his hand? - REVENGE!

You can pin 'REVENGE' onto any argument for war and make it stick because countries usually have reasons to be pissed at other countries, at the end of the day though wars are fought for a variety of questionable reasons, revenge is probably the best excuse we have.


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Posted: 14th Jul 2005 23:11
Quote: "We're not afraid!"


Sounds like something out of Donnie Darko.

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Were not afraid!! of the terorists, that is, just of the mods

I'll be back, but only after i get my ice creem!
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Quote: "We're not afraid!"

When I did see the site, I thought it was a joke. But I think now really that some people only see the consequences of such actions superficially.
So those guys really think that terrorists would have such thoughts : "Oh, they are not afraid, so it's pointless, let's stop the agression" ?
(I have to admit that I exagerated, but the guys who made that site have not much sense of psychology or sociology)

Fear was always a biological defense, being afraid saved the life of many animals. I just imagine these guys in war, standing weaponless in the field, shouting "I'M NOT AFRAID". Should I tell how it ends ?


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Quote: "Why did the Germans invade poland? - REVENGE
Why did the Chinese build the great wall? - REVENGE
How did Napolean loose his hand? - REVENGE!"

I can only Quote Timesoft : "Your wife is death. How? NO idea. But it is murder. REVENGE!!!!!"

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hahahah...who is timesoft
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Quote: "Why did the Germans invade poland? - REVENGE"


Revenge? For what?

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if terrorists wanted to kill people they'd have bombed right in the middle of the crowd at glastonbury or live-aid.

the point of what they're doing is scare people into giving into their demands.

i already have a whole rant about this, i could copy and paste it into a post here, but i'll just link you to it for now:

http://www.tinnedhead.net/home.php

what a lot of people dont realise is that this whole war on terror could be over, without firing a single bullet- spain figured it out, but we're british and arrogant... and friends of the US, hence a lot of bullets and stuff have to be involved, or it wouldnt feel right- eh?
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Quote: "the point of what they're doing is scare people into giving into their demands."


Just curious, but WHAT are their demands? For all to who oppose to die?

Quote: "what a lot of people dont realise is that this whole war on terror could be over, without firing a single bullet-"


Well, if you don't fire a single bullet, the terrorists will think they are succeding and keep on attack until their personal goals are set. If you do fire a single bullet, well...thats just not enough. If you fire many bullet, that will just cause them to retaliate as you said. Either way, the war on terrorism cannot just "be over", say you take out all of AlQaeda(sp?), other will just come out seeking revenge, take them out...and more terrorists will come. Its an endless cycle. I say, every country protects themselves and quit trying to beat an unstoppable force, that's just my opinion.

As for Jimmy's next post, let me beat you to it:
Quote: "well your opinion is just stupid, and you Leys, are an idiot"


Ok, end of post.

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Quote: "hahahah...who is timesoft"


Timesoft was/is a forum member, the quote I wrote was his plot for a game. That was all he did about his game, this sentence.

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Quote: "Well, if you don't fire a single bullet, the terrorists will think they are succeding"


are you retarded?

im not even gonna start saying where you gone wrong with that statement.

anyways. looks like im gonna have to post my entire article, then people will be forced to read it...

back to the question- am i afraid?

who of? terrorists? no

the police and government with all the ways they're handling terrorism? yes.
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A funny quote my retarded friend said one evening:

"They should make Terrorism illegal"

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Making terrorism illegal will not solve anything.

If you make terrorism illegal they will think they are succeding.

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July 11, 2005 - Yet if we bombed Bagdad we'd expect them to be thankful for "liberation"?

I'm writing this now because I'm getting fed up with our government and media being so arrogant in response to the London bombings which happened last Thursday.

When the government proposed a war in Iraq, Britain's population protested against it, no one wanted it to happen, especially as more lies and deceit were uncovered. When a population is unjustly brought to its knees, like an animal trapped in a corner by its preditor, there's only so much it can take before having no choice but to fight back. If the animal has taken so much beating that it cannot fight back, the animal will have to depend on a nearby member of its species to come and defend it.

This scenario was realised last Thursday. The endangered species fought back for survival, killing (as the current figure stands) 52 people, and injuring around 700 more. 752 of Britain's innocent population were directly affected by the bombings which were in a retaliation for a war these people never wanted. We all kow who to thank:



I would have thought that these bombings would teach us a lesson. I thought it would make people think like Iraqi's. Sure, a large number of us now live in fear not knowing when the next bomb's going to be, or where, or who will be taken down as a result of its explosion and sure, a lot of us are thinking "but we're innocent people, we don't deserve this". But people fail to care about the fact that for the last few years, people in Iraq have been living like this every day. Sure we're innocent, and not only are the Iraqi people, but think of all the people currently in Palistine, Dafur and Guantanamo Bay. Even though we're innocent, London had just as much reason to be bombed as any city in Iraq. The people who were killed had just as much right to be killed by terrorists as people in Iraq have the right to be killed innocently by us.

Let me add the fact that even though both groups of people have had equal rights to death, I'm not saying that they deserved to die in any sense of the word. They had by far greater rights to live, just on the count of being innocent civilians; neither parties have deserved what came to them. I'm not a pasifist, but I firmly believe this slaughter of both side's shouldnt be happening, but we're going to be terrorised for as long as we terrorise other, and for what cause?

Why would I have thought these bombings would teach us a lesson? Well lets look at the Madrid bombings:

In 1442, the Spanish ruler decided to be make Spain a strictly catholic country, like what was going on in Britain at the time. As s reult, Muslims and Jews were forced to either convert, or were killed/exiled.

When the police arrived in the car park outside the Madrid bomber's place of residence, they blew up the appartment block with themselves in it. Among the wreckage, the police found a recording of 3 hooded men, saying "this is for 1442". What did the Spanish government do in response? They pulled their troops out of Iraq. They relaxed immigration laws against North Africa and the Middle East. They gave more religeous freedome to everyone, including non-Muslims and non-Jews.

As a result of this? Spain hasn't received a single bomb threat, and many immigrants in Spain, particularly morrocans, now say (and Iquote from a morrocan): "I used to have extremist views about spain, as have many others, but now I respect it as a nation".The way i see it, both sides have succeeded in this case. The terrorists got what they wanted, and Spain is now at peace, and will probably never hear from terrorists again.

Spain has had an identical history to Britain as far as terrorism goes. We've never been attacked by middle easterners, or "Islamic extremists" until this one off occasion, but we've always known terrorism in the form of the IRA (Irish Republican Army). Spain has never been attacked by middle easterners or "Islamic extremists", but has always known terrorism in the form of ETA (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna), a group of people who want to see the Basque country become a republic, free of Spanish and French rule.

The difference between the two nations is how the nations responded to the attacks in their capital cities. Spain got it right, we however, have fallen down the same line as the US did, and it is for what i am about to mention that got me started on this rant.

I'm fed up, sick and tired of seeing and hearing the government, politicians and the media saying that the people that bombed London are a group of terrorists who are jealous of us, jealous of our civilization, our freedoms, our way of life and our democracy. What do they try to achieve by this arrogance? I know that these are not the reasons. The reason we get bombed is because we're bombing others. they're trying to show us what its like. It's because we've screwed them over. These "terrorists" are probably people who as kids had their families killed and homes destroyed by our actions across the world.

There's one thing that these people should be jealous of: our security, the fact that we're perfectly safe because the western world is the tough kid on the block. they are'nt jealous of our way of life. Look into Iran's political system and tell me the middle east envies ours. It's identical to ours! They too have two houses, like we have the house of lords and house of commons. They have an elected leader picked every five years. Take your head out of your arse and learn something about culture and civilization. You will learn that the Middle East is far more cultured and civilized than Europe. Afterall, the Middle East is where civilization started.

And what are we going to achieve with this arrogance that for some reason the middle-eastern population should be jealous of us? I know what, just more and more bombs, more innocent deaths, until something clicks, and someone with some power reaslises that we now know what it's like. If we just listened to the terrorists demands and adhered to them, we would be like spain is now. Instead, our government and media insist we live our lives, carry on screwing the world over, and make it look like our victims are the bad guys.

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Yes, so we sit and do nothing, peace will find its way in. Not saying I have a problem with doing nothing, i just don't think that's the answer to stopping terrorism. No, I have not read your large article, so feel free to point out what is wrong with what I say.

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