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Phaelax
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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 17:56
For most of us, I'm sure the first thought in your head before these kids jump is "that doesn't look like a good idea". Is it cruel to say they got what they deserved?

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/341.html

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 20:18
It's a bit disturbing what watching WWF or whatever can do to poorly educated kids.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 21:47
Well that gotta hurt!

Not really what I would do but still, Nice!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 22:08
OMG my ass just fell of from laughing too much...


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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 22:49
Yes, alot of kids are stupid. But these are stupid kids who have some balls. God have mercy on their souls.


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 01:01
Quote: "God have mercy on their souls."


He won't though, will he? He'll point at them and laugh and call them names. Not even God can bring himself to treat people like that with respect.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 01:29
Ya that couldnt of required to many brain cells to know that wasnt a good idea.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 02:24
Quote: "Is it cruel to say they got what they deserved?"


Nnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo

Y'see, I thought it was pretty obvious jumping off a roof would hurt.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 02:47 Edited at: 30th Aug 2005 02:49
Oh c'mon, how f***ing retarded do you have to be!
"oh I know I'll body slam my friend from a 15ft drop on to a table with metal legs with only very hard ground to break our fall without the proper training of either throwing, falling, or even having the muscle tone and/or bulk in order to take such a shock to the system."

Hope to hell he did some long lasting damage to have learnt his lesson but you know full well he'll be in some backcast for 6months, austopathy for another 3 and be right back on that roof claiming he knew what went so badly last time.

And American's wonder why the rest of the world thinks it's a nation full of people with less intelligence than a barrel full of retarded primates.

[edit] you know what really gets me... his friend using the camera sees the blood, see's him holding his back screaming in agony. what's the first thing he asks?

"ARE... YOU... O.K?" DOES HE F***ING LOOK OK?!

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 12:57
Quote: "or even having the muscle tone and/or bulk in order to take such a shock to the system.""


The bigger they are the harder they fall, so muscle has nothing to do with it.


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:02
Quote: "The bigger they are the harder they fall, so muscle has nothing to do with it"


That's something said to people who are puney in order to make them feel better before getting the ever lovin' snot beaten out of them.
While yes someone who is 250lbs will fall slightly harder than someone who is 110lbs, fact is that the person who is lighter is less likely to have muscles as developed.

I'm not just talking the noticable bicep area or such either. I mean punch a nerd in the gut then punch jock in the gut.

I'll bet you the nerd will be slightly winded from it and he's gut will feel like punching something squishy.. yet the jock will just tense his abs and it's like hitting a brick wall; sure it still hurts a lil but it's more like when someoen punches you on the shoulder. Again with more muscle tone, the better you can handle other pain too.

The idea with a fall like that is when your trained BOTH people know what to do in order to avoid injury. You ever see that tournament that WWE has where it shows you wrestlers in training for getting a contract. Those people are fairly trained to begin with, and doing it on a quite forgiving cavas or hitmat flooring; they STILL come away in one hellova lot of pain if they don't learn to fall correctly.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:14 Edited at: 30th Aug 2005 14:23
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That's something said to people who are puney in order to make them feel better before getting the ever lovin' snot beaten out of them."


No, that's something that's been proven for many years. Ever heard of 80-year-old Japanese Martial Arts masters who are 5"4", 108lbs taking down a group of up to 8 brutes?

Quote: "I mean punch a nerd in the gut then punch jock in the gut."


Some people, regardless of size, train their abdomen to take kicks of any force.

And yes, I know what Breakfall training you're talking about. I've seen a trained muscular 190 pound guy fall from 5 feet onto his shoulder and break it while these light guys control themselves while falling and do it properly.


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:23
Quote: "Ever heard of 80-year-old Japanese Martial Arts masters who are 5"4", 108lbs taking down a group of up to 8 people?"


No, have you? Besides that just proves my point anyways. in the words

MARTIAL ARTS MASTERS

The key to Martial Arts isn't to learn how to dodge everything (although sometimes it helps) but learn how to take everything. It's very much about building up resistance and tolerance.

Quote: "Some people, regardless of size, train their abdomen to take kicks that are 2000 pounds in force. "


When you fall your not falling on your Abs, that was mearly a more clear example.

Quote: "I've seen a trained muscular 190 pound guy fall from 5 feet onto his shoulder and break it while these light guys control themselves while falling and do it properly."


Bollocks. The light guys would ALSO be trained, else they wouldn't know how to do it properly... obviously more so than the so-called trained muscular guy. No matter your size you can train to control your movements.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:27 Edited at: 30th Aug 2005 14:31
F = ma, and with gravity causing a constant downward acceleration (regardless of mass), the resultant force is directly proportional to the mass of the object. Newtons third law tells us that every action must have an equal and opposite reaction, so to stop the 'fool' from falling, an equal upward force must be applied and hence, a greater mass will result in a greater upward force (which will obviously feel harder). Also, I might point out that muscles don't act like suspension and that you're just as likely to break your back from a fall regardless of weight (it's more down to luck than anything else).


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:29
Quote: "No, have you? Besides that just proves my point anyways. in the words"


What? Yes I did, that's why I mentioned it. Why are you twisting my words.

Quote: "The key to Martial Arts isn't to learn how to dodge everything (although sometimes it helps) but learn how to take everything. It's very much about building up resistance and tolerance."


I've never heard of a Martial Art that requires you to wear out your opponent by taking every blow he gives you.

Quote: "When you fall your not falling on your Abs, that was mearly a more clear example."


You weren't talking about falling, you mentioned getting punched in the gut, which is what I replied to. At least try reading your own messages.


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:37
Quote: "I've never heard of a Martial Art that requires you to wear out your opponent by taking every blow he gives you. "


lol that's not what I ment.

Quote: "You weren't talking about falling, you mentioned getting punched in the gut, which is what I replied to. At least try reading your own messages."


yeah, but the more they develop thier abs the more muscle they get and the heavier they get as well as the more mass.

Quote: "F = ma, and with gravity causing a constant downward acceleration (regardless of mass)"


Yes, but there are many other factors. Over a reasonably short distance the difference in overall force is minimal. If they were about triple the height up, then that would make a HUGE difference.

Muscles WILL cusion blows. Alright so landing on your spine your likely to do damage no matter what; but someone who is more muscular is far more likely to actually have muscle protecting thier spine, so it's going to rip through that prior to hitting the ground. I'm not saying they're going to get up from it either, but they have a much better chance of not doing AS MUCH damage.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:56 Edited at: 30th Aug 2005 14:57
Quote: "lol that's not what I ment."


What did you mean then? I've heard of blocks, parrys, deflects in the usual "hard" styles of Martial Arts, but never a situation where you have to "take" blows with your body. (There are exeptions where a technique involves stopping a blow with the top of your shoulder but I think that's different)

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yeah, but the more they develop thier abs the more muscle they get and the heavier they get as well as the more mass."


People don't gain 10 pounds in muscle just from doing sit-ups.
(Er...unless you're on a different diet )


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 18:41
"muay thai", that's all I'm gonna say.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 19:24
Dear god... that was... disturbing... especially when the camera guy came up and said "ok dude what's wrong?"





WHAT'S WRONG??? HE JUST JUMPED OFF A FRIKKIN ROOF, THAT'S WHAT!!! Now I'm not going to able to sleep at nights, seeing that guy scream...

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 19:40 Edited at: 30th Aug 2005 19:42
i had the brains to watch that with the sound muted... what was that red thing on the floor at the end? looks like someone's small brain managed to roll of of someones nostril on the way down...

edit: dam i just found myself watching that over and over again... am i human?

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 20:06
I envy you guys. My soundcard is broken.


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THat's wierd...very wierd...

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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 00:37
Quote: "The bigger they are the harder they fall"


Not if you're on the moon.

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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 00:59 Edited at: 31st Aug 2005 01:01
I was trained to fall, I was 7 feet up in the air in mid-kick before I got knocked out of it, landed, not a scratch on me. Nothing broken, not even the wind knocked out of me(landed on my back by the way)...they should hav at least KNOWN how to fall, before they did anything. Stupidity.....I had to go through 3 training sessions of getting knocked off of higher and higher platforms....>.> All I have to say is that they are idiots and deserve what they got...

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Quote: "The key to Martial Arts isn't to learn how to dodge everything (although sometimes it helps) but learn how to take everything. It's very much about building up resistance and tolerance"

well, at least that's true ... in kung fu classes the instructor will walk around and beat you and your classmates with a stick...to build up your "resistance and tolerance"

Quote: "What did you mean then? I've heard of blocks, parrys, deflects in the usual "hard" styles of Martial Arts, but never a situation where you have to "take" blows with your body. "

Well, obviously you don't purposely allow them to hit you ...but when they do hit you, you want to be able to take it...instead of falling to the ground in pain

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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 02:30
Quote: "You ever see that tournament that WWE has where it shows you wrestlers in training for getting a contract. Those people are fairly trained to begin with, and doing it on a quite forgiving cavas or hitmat flooring; they STILL come away in one hellova lot of pain if they don't learn to fall correctly."


Actually, in the case of the WWE, the tables are fake, and precut, and they land, usually, into a nice padded section. Same thing with chairs (a very loose but formable material) and other objects they use. Everything about that stuff is completely fake.

Now in the case of backyard wrestling, well, these people are too stupid to realize that the items used in the WWE are fake. Thus they usually end up in the hospital.

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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 06:06 Edited at: 31st Aug 2005 06:09
Quote: "well, at least that's true ... in kung fu classes the instructor will walk around and beat you and your classmates with a stick...to build up your "resistance and tolerance""


You know that isn't what he meant.

Quote: "Well, obviously you don't purposely allow them to hit you ...but when they do hit you, you want to be able to take it...instead of falling to the ground in pain"


How about train how to not get hit so there is no need to fall to the ground in pain? I doubt there's many "resistance and tolerance" training methods that'll allow you to take a tegatana to the temple and not feel it.

EDIT: haha I just remembered one actually, but it won't happen in your life-time.


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Quote: "American's wonder why the rest of the world thinks it's a nation full of people with less intelligence than a barrel full of retarded primates."


Thats not nice . Plus whos to say thats American and they dont represent the intelligence of America. I bet there are plenty of crazy english people doing similar stuff somewhere.

What I want to know is why would anyone even think of doing that. To prove they're tough, hard to do when your on the ground screaming in pain.

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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 06:19 Edited at: 31st Aug 2005 06:19
BenDstraw's right. There's Japanese teenagers who jump of buildings onto thin railings like their favorite anime stars, yet they consider the education in that country one of the top in the world.


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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 11:38
yeh... but that's japan...

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Quote: "How about train how to not get hit so there is no need to fall to the ground in pain? "

well, yeah, you also train how not to get hit... but you can't always be perfect

if you can perfectly dodge every single attack in a fight than go ahead...but some of us can't do that

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You aren't trying hard enough then.


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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 16:21
Quote: "in kung fu classes the instructor will walk around and beat you and your classmates with a stick...to build up your "resistance and tolerance""


they did that in Ju-Jitsu too, while teaching you to do the splits; ours would come around and just knock our legs away. Amount of time my face smacked the floor was ridiculous.

Another favourite he was was with weighted containers... Buckets, Bowls, Cups, etc. with water in them; you'd have to strike one of four key poses mostly involving squatting for as long as possible.

once you get over the initial number of times of doing that, he'd then come around with a stick tap the backs of your calfs and such. you'd be walking funny for a week afterwards but you eventually got used to it.

it's the same with most things they taught though, you learn correct techniques to take a hit before you'd actually be taught how the hell not to be hit in the first place. or maybe the teacher we had was just sadistic heh

you should always be taught not only how to do a move, but how to block, dodge and react.

Reacting doesn't always mean stand there and asking someone to punch you in the face but it does mean that you learn rather than to avoid something to take it in a way that won't hurt as much; with training you can learn to phase out quite a bit of the pain from entire blows.

I mean again the example above of 'blasting you abs' so they're strong. Someone who has developed abs doesn't needs to dodge someone hitting them, simply tense them at the right time. To the person attaching it's like hitting a brick wall, to the person taking the blow it will sevearly disappate most of the effect.

It isn't always a good thing to constantly be dodging in a fight, sometimes it is better to be able to take a blow to provide you with the oppertunity to strike back.

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Quote: "I bet there are plenty of crazy english people doing similar stuff somewhere."


Indeed there is, there was something on t.v. about it a few years ago.

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My... god... raven, that was spot on. Amazingly. Must be a sign of the aploclypse. Either that or the distructionz0rz of all propz spellnk

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Quote: "[quote]I bet there are plenty of crazy english people doing similar stuff somewhere."


Indeed there is, there was something on t.v. about it a few years ago.[/quote]

Yeah, but you never really hear or see things quite AS stupid. I mean you'd think with the internet you'd hear and see more, but the last one I remember hearing about was; hmm a few months back when those people were doing something with fire in Hemel. They were trying to re-enact the light saber fight or something.

I mean you get retards everywhere, but America just appears to have an exceptionally high number of them.

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Quote: "I mean you get retards everywhere, but America just appears to have an exceptionally high number of them."


Quantity vs Quality. Sure, the US might have a bunch of crazy kids doing this crap, but the UK has.... um.... YOU! j/k

It actually has little to do with muscle mass. Sure, muscle WILL help cushion a blow more than "lack-of-muscle" will, but that is not even close to being significant with something like this. Teaching your body how to absorb/deflect a hit what matters. One of the first things that you should learn as a martial artist is how to fall. The size of the person has no bearing on if they can fall properly (other than being too big interfering with proper technique). It is AMAZING some of the "landings" that a well trained martial artist can do with break-falling and rolling through. That is regardless of if they look like a "nerd" or a body-builder.

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Yeah I remember reading about this dude who fell off a concrete pillar 20ft high, walked away with a handful of bruises and scrapes. No broken bones. That was luck; what isn't lucky is when I broke my arm when I was ~6 or so. Fell off a fallen tree limb, couldn't have been 5 inches off the ground

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Those kids deserved what they got IMHO: if you're so stupid you will jump off of a building, you dserve teh hurtz.

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Answer me this - is my shin likely to break if a 10lb objects hits it at around 30mph?

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What if it's a 10lb bag of sand?
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Quote: "Answer me this - is my shin likely to break if a 10lb objects hits it at around 30mph?"


Depends. How much of your weight is distributed on that leg? What is the angle of impact?
Even if those situations are against you, you are much more likely to mess up your knee.

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Quote: "Sure, muscle WILL help cushion a blow more than "lack-of-muscle" will, but that is not even close to being significant with something like this."


yeah but in my original statement i did mention it was one of a number of factors that would help. m-cat just seemed to focus on that one particular thing.

Quote: "That is regardless of if they look like a "nerd" or a body-builder."


If they look like a body builder on the outside is more determined by how they train than how much they train. Many Martial Arts training requires far more physical endurance that builds up muscles in a more balanced mannor; where-as weight training focuses on very exacting areas.

There is often very little difference in the muscle strength of either tough. Bruce Lee was a very good notable example of this, very very powerful little man; but didn't really look it.

Quote: "Quantity vs Quality. Sure, the US might have a bunch of crazy kids doing this crap, but the UK has.... um.... YOU! j/k"


¬_¬
I'd still say the level of stupidity hear from the American nation still out-weighs that I've heard closer to home. Most of the stuff I've heard from European kids though, often sounds far more urban legend than reality.

Like I remember a story going around when Quake had just been released about some kid (5yo or something) in Sweeden going around a Supermarket with a Shotgun shouting 'noise' after playing the game. Was a very popular story around college, but never found out if it was true or not. I'd suspect not.

What gets me more is american's seem to believe not only doing stupid things but video taping them too. heh
So ya know we get documented proof of thier actions.

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Never seen anyone cry and moan in pain like that before. I think shouting a few cuss words would be more than sufficient to express pain.

Anyway, I think this "absorbing the pain" stuff should be left to the likes of Spongebob.

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Quote: "Depends. How much of your weight is distributed on that leg? What is the angle of impact?"


Ok, here're the stats.
- Weight distribution even. (Just over 6 stones (about 38kg, about (80 lbs)
- Standing up straight.
- Hitting my right shin half way down at a 70 degree angle off from facing forwards.
- Object hits with a thin area of contact (about 1 square inch) weighing about 9lbs, travelling at about 30 mph.

Is my leg broken doctor?

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 14:22 Edited at: 1st Sep 2005 14:30
If it isn't, finish it off with a crowbar I say.

What Raven said is mostly true. Martial Arts is not like lifting weights. It gives you flexibility, hip power, faster movement (that has nothing to do with muscle, but with stance) and tougher skin/muscles.


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probably, but it's just as equal what would happen is actually it'd dislocate your knee. As I understand both are as painful as each other, but as I've only dislocated my shoulder before can't say.

Barring that some peoples bones might actually literally shatter. God now that would be horrible and nasty. :x

The human body is a very peculiar thing really. I have a friend who can fall off objects at just such an awkward angle and break his arms and legs all the time.

I've fallen 50ft from a building before and the worst that happened was I winded myself. Fell out of a 20ft tree once onto sheet metal again I simply sliced open my hand; have a lovely scar too from where you could peel back the skin, was kinda gross. Weird thing was it wasn't bad until I saw it then was like 'AHHHH! **** MY HAND!' until I looked at it though I thought I was alright.

Classicly my mate was like 'Don't look at your hand!' lol yeah like what am I going to do right after someone says that?! heh

I'm so damn accident prone it's not even funny, but always survive just fine. So it really does more depend on the person. Though there are probably some medical reasoning behind why I can withstand a nasty touble with a few grazes yet my mate can harldy fall to the floor without damaging himself. Would have to ask Jo, she'd probably know

Though it's probably similar to things like why some people are naturally thin and others are more huskey. Different bodies do different things. I think it's a pretty pointless debate over what would physically hurt everyone.

I've seen a few people scream like that before. On friend did when he broke his back. When I was still in Basic a guy shot himself in the foot (had the rest of us in stitches)... god some blood curdling screams though. Again that's also down to who it happens to, as I accidentally shot another friend (we were hunting at the time on his grounds) he just swore a bit and told me if I didn't phone an ambulance then I'd learn just how painful it was.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 14:33 Edited at: 1st Sep 2005 14:36
Quote: "I've fallen 50ft from a building before and the worst that happened was I winded myself."


Do you expect us to believe you fell 6 floors without a scratch?


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Raven
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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 15:04
Doesn't matter what you believe, some graces, scratches and such... I couldn't breath for like a minute but other than that not really much else. It hurts like hell, don't get me wrong; I mean the pain of landing on my side, being unable to breath for ages (the anxiety of that alone isn't pleasent).

That said since then I've been unable to breath properly, my left lung is dodgy now; but nowt wrong with my bones.

Megaton Cat
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Posted: 1st Sep 2005 15:13
A 50 foot plummet. You were supposed to break your hips and one of your arms.

Very dodgy, even from you.


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