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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Cool Programming Language im making works with dark basic

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WarWolf
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2003 21:58
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Ehm Jim, there is loads of other differences between Basic and C++. For example, Basic is a line-based language, C++/C is a statement-based language. Not to mention that C++ is OO...

I didn't steal it!
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WarWolf
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2003 22:00
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Why doesn't my messages post?

I didn't steal it!
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Posted: 4th Mar 2003 01:00
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Maybe I should write a Binary to to DBPro super scripter.

I always Felt C was a very easy language to pickup. I struggled with object oriented programming for a short while. In some ways, yes it does make life a lot easier. But when you get soooo used to structure programming it almost feels like a backwards concept. But once you start using them, its almost a different world.

VB6 has an amazing IDE and the language near perfect in many ways. I've invested a lot of time in VB just because it seems like that is one of the directions M$ has been pushing.

When working with DBP it feels like I'm walking backwards.
It seems like there are just so many things you can't do, but then again, you probably can but a lot of the documentation seems lacking. Where as in VB/VC you can almost start programming right away without ever looking at a manual because the IDE guides you and everythings pretty well documented.
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Richard Davey
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Posted: 4th Mar 2003 15:58
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"I've invested a lot of time in VB just because it seems like that is one of the directions M$ has been pushing."

Don't rely on that for ever, I'll give VB 3 to 4 more years before it's faded out (from MS, not from use, whole careers can't change overnight). C# is infinitely more powerful and just as easy to use (if not more so). Times are changing!

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Rich

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Posted: 4th Mar 2003 23:35
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That may be true, but from my understanding of .NET all the languages pretty much compile to the same thing now. They should all be just as "Powerful". I've yet to really look at C#, I kindof thought that it was basically a cheap attempt at recreating Java. But still, if VB is around for another 4/5 years, thats pretty good. Yet I tend to think it'll be around much longer since BASIC has been a standard in computer programming for a long time now.

MS comes out with new operating systems Server based operating systems every 5 years, and we've seen an update in their programming standards around the same time. ie, VB6 with win 2000, .NET with the .net server and so we may just see some sort of murge of the .NET languages into some universal windows language in 2005. It might happen, but its too difficult to tell with things like the ever growing popularity of Linux servers in the business environment. A lot of that has to do with the strong IBM backing. Its very possible that we see it bite into MS's share of the market.
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Electron
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Posted: 5th Mar 2003 20:52
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This is an amusing thread, keep it up

If you don't work for it, how do you expect to get it?
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Rob K
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"Don't rely on that for ever, I'll give VB 3 to 4 more years before it's faded out (from MS, not from use, whole careers can't change overnight). C# is infinitely more powerful and just as easy to use (if not more so). Times are changing!"

Don't ever mention VB in these forums (grrrr... insane mumbling ... )

I have had to code it in the past and it is awful It is an easy language for beginners to learn but really just doesn't even begin to compare with the competition (Delphi I mean - I am discount lower level languages such as C.)

Current Project: Retro Compo. Entry.
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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 6th Mar 2003 00:42
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.Net was/is Microsofts Integrated version of Java (only not as stable yet) ... ALL of Visual Studio .Net's programs have been updated to utilise .Net Framework - however you can actually use 6.0 with Service Pack 5 and the .Net Framework SDK 1.1 and have essentially the same updates.

If you haven't yet used C# - i'd seriously recommend you do, because about a month or so back i'd not touched it because i remember being told it was to replace Java ... cept after checking it out, you can see why it retains the label C

rather than upgrading the language to accomidate OOP and .Net the whole thing is intergrated as well as the MFC functionaility ... it makes the language as Application versitile as Visual Basic, yet have the programming power of C++

slightly longer learning curve than a Basic language, but definatly worth it. personally i'd like to take a course on the major languages soon - perhaps recent events will give the opertunity to grab certificates within them and learn them in a classroom rather than in my spare hour everynite

but one things for sure, the day of the Basic language at a professional level appear to be dwindling and making way to the C generations ... even C is finally seeing the wear and tear of being a 22year old language, and i don't doubt that Microsoft will push C# and C++ as the only viable options for application and software development (but thats more because they own C# outright and C++ in its present as part of MSVS is really as good as thiers too )

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One block follows the suit ... the whole suit of blocks is the path ... what have you found?
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Posted: 6th Mar 2003 22:32
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Raven, apprechate the info, Its definatly worth taking a look at.
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