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Monster
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 12:05
kraM
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 12:08
Very Nice Monster! Thanx

Any chance your going to release any more packs? I got the super pack last week and love it.

Thanx
Mark

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LostSoul54
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 17:35
Great looking model!

Good to see you are still involved in the community, with all the abuse you have been taking lately

It's easy not to get lost when you have no idea where you are going
Seth Black
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 17:42
Monster,

Greetings. Very nice gesture on your part. The model looks great. Keep up the good works!

Thanks,

Seth Black

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madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 17:46
great looking Dobbie. I bought the other two packs and like the a lot.

Question - I change the FPI in the FPE to chase but all I get is a running dog frozen in time (which is a good effect in itself if you are time traveling in your game..but..)

When he/she/it is in COWARD.FPI it does the head back and forth thing...good for guarding the any nasty temple or building...but I just can't train the dang dog to run on command.

OK..blast me...come on...I can take it....what am I doing wrong?

PS - Monster? Ignore the kids who are raking you over the coals.

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
Pulsar Coder
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 17:57 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 18:04
I've seen that dog somewhere else ... in the place where I saw it -don't remember where exactly right now, you could also find at least 3 more animated meshes: a rat, a zombie and a ninja ...

Edit: found it ... http://www.psionic3d.co.uk

Moster, are you psionic3d?
madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:20
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:32
omg...

madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:36 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 18:37
Of course he never said he MADE the dog...just reconfigured it and offered it up.

So, are we all looking a gift horse in the mouth or being made into jack-asses?

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:37 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 18:40
knowing monster...its probbably "borrowed"

[edit]

heres the exact link....bad...bad...monster....

http://www.psionic3d.co.uk/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?direct=Free%20Stuff/3D%20Models

madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:42
well the least you could do Monster is do the rat too...

Killer rats would be a great thing.

Now since you pulled the wool over our eyes (and I WAS a paying customer) I think you owe us the killer vermin...you know...as one rat to another.

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
Seth Black
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:44
Monster,

Ultrahead is making a very valid point. The free dog you are offering seems to be identical in every way to the one offered @psionic3d.

Just a suggestion: posting items for DL on your site that are someone else's work might be detrimental to your credibility online, and might not be the smartest thing to do. This gives one the impression that you created the item for DL. Perhaps a link would have been a better idea.

If you have talent; if you have skill use them! Why taint your reputation by borrowing someone else's work?

This is not a flame. It is not a bash. My words are meant to alert you to the fact that your actions are giving your critics fodder, and your identity in this forum a blackeye.

Thanks,

Seth Black

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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:49
hes done it before with peoples scripts on this forum, and frankly, i dont think he cares...

Pulsar Coder
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:51 Edited at: 28th Oct 2005 05:57
Quote: "... Perhaps a link would have been a better idea."


Worst than that, the readme file says nothing else than "accode" (no mention to psionic3d).

That a set of models is free for any use doesn't mean that one can re-distribute ir or omit to say that they were built by a third-party.

I've said this a lot of times: if someone is planning to make a commercial game then that person should be really careful with the third-party assets that will use in the game (media, etc.), no matter how awesome they look.
madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 18:56
well..its the last of my money he gets for anything..I dont care if his next pack includes the cure for the common cold...

Hell hath no fury like a scorned sucker!!!!!!!!!!



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JimB
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:06
To be fair Psionic has not put any restrictions on the use of his models only this

"If you use this model credits would be nice but arent essential!!"

So if monster guilty of anything its lack of courtesy in not mentioning that they are Psionics models.
Always be careful wiyh free stuff.
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:12 Edited at: 28th Oct 2005 05:59
Quote: "hes done it before with peoples scripts on this forum, and frankly, i dont think he cares..."


Well, this time is not about other people's ideas, right? It's about what I was afraid of the first place, other people's products, free or not.

So, if Monster is Psionic3D, then I don't see a problem. If he's got Psionic3D approval, also no problem. If Psionic3D eventually takes the position that he doesn't really care, well then no problem but still one should care a little more about Monster products.
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:14 Edited at: 28th Oct 2005 05:59
Quote: "So if monster guilty of anything its lack of courtesy in not mentioning that they are Psionics models.
Always be careful wiyh free stuff."


One thing is courtesy; however, in the readme file Monster's provided it says "accode". I would't call that "lack of courtesy" ...
madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:15
If he hadn't put his name on the readme.txt I would tend to agree. Though nothing illegal was done... it is still...well...I don't think I need say anymore. Later

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
Krazykris
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:15
Whoa! Monster...That is excellent!!

PLEASE! accept paypal...I want to buy your other excellent work

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madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:18
Too Funny

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Seth Black
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:24
@All,

Now boys....fight nice! (LOL)

Thanks,

Seth Black

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JimB
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:30
Quote: "One thing is courtesy; however, in the readme file Monster's provided it says "aacode". I would't call that "lack of courtesy" ... "


Fair enough I had'nt noticed that
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 19:48
someone maybe needs to contact psionic3d....

Benjamin 2005
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 20:07
I was going to buy some of monsters pack, but seeing this dog made me think twice. I instantly recognized it as not being his own, it was too familair.

Who can assure that the content packs he's selling are really his own? I don't want to user 'stolen' work. I'm always careful with free stuff, I rather buy stuff. But I'm not sure if someone who gives away others stuff for free, claiming it as his own, can be trusted witht he stuff he sells.

I'll postpone buying his stuff until someone can confirm with certainty that he owns the copyright on it.

If I do use FPSC to create a FPS? What's a FPS supposed to be anyway???
Seth Black
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 20:18
@BULLSHOCK 2,

Quote: "someone maybe needs to contact psionic3d...."


It is done.

Thanks,

Seth Black

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Seth Black
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 20:25 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 20:32
@BULLSHOCK 2,

Quote: "Thank you for letting me know, I have already contacted him!!

Thanks again,

Psionic"


Just got a reply. One can safely assume that Psionic is not pleased, and that the dog isn't Monster's.

Thanks,

Seth Black

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Seth Black
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 20:28 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 20:30
Sorry for the double post.


Seth Black

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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 20:36
Shouldn't he be banned from selling anything further here now? Seems like bad business.

-Keith
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 20:42
Not trying to be neither devil's advocate or the ultimate righteous paladin, but allow me to share this with you all:

Taken from Monster's Dog FPE file

anim0 = 26,60
anim1 = 26,60
anim2 = 2,14
anim5 = 16,24

Taken from Psionic's 3D Dog Animation Info file

2-14 = walk anim
16-24 = run anim
26-60 = idle anim

I'm really speechless.

Like on many other issues involving Monster, he didn't do anything wrong in legal terms, but he sure stepped on the line of decency. I've tried up until now to see both sides of it. Personally I've done my best to believe that he is only using a market hole to sell his products.

Right now, this is really messes up with my stomach. What if I heard a music of mine somewhere?

I've contacted Monster sometime ago for a paid job. He replied nicely, I answered back. Until now, no reply, but he did get some info on my project.

What if that info is being used by him right now? It wouldn't bother me in commercial terms, but it would really annoy me. And I guess that's what annoys people that have been pointing some issues regarding Monster's behaviour.

@Monster

I do believe you have some skills. I really don't understand why you behave that way. I find it almost impossible that what I downloaded from your site isn't Psionic's art and that is simply gross. Please rethink your strategy and methods for your sake and to be part of a community, instead of some mysterious shadow monster that is loosing credibility.

V
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 21:01
I did buy stuff off this little &*%$# and my only recourse is to contact my credit card company. It is only 20 bucks but its the idea that bugs me. A lot of people work hard and to have some stooge walk in..put the stuff in a package then resell it. Man I feel foolish. And I was sticking up for his right to fill the void left by FPS lack of a package.

(madhouse now does the sign of the cross and confesses all)

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
JimB
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 21:38
Quote: " couldn't even finds the statement that JimB quoted.
"If you use this model credits would be nice but arent essential!!"
"


Its in the model(s) text file.
madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:18
Conjured

Legally your right..ethics are another matter.

He should have said, 'I found this great model...changed it to work in FPSC and now have it on my page for all to download.'

That is the way it is done plain and simple.

Again...there is the matter of that readme.txt. Hard one to get by.

It also reflects badly on his reputation. Its hard to get that back once u pull a questionable stunt.*

*Monster - Make note of that.

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
John Y
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:26 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 22:26
I'm looking into this; is the model available for free download, and is that model part of one of the DarkMatter packs?

It looks familiar to me too, but keeping an open judgement for the time being.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:38 Edited at: 27th Oct 2005 22:44
The point is not on the dog model ... think of this: no one noticed that the mesh was not created by Monster until someone pointed that out. And in the provided readme one can infer it was created by accode.

So, what if the meshes in the model packs weren't created by Monster but "borrowed"? If this is the way he usually proceeds, can some tell he created them for sure?

Let's be fair, not all of his products should be "put in the same bag" for this practice. For instance, DBP plug-ins he offer, which are impressive and handy -like the one related to animation blending and so on.
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:53
in my opinion...

monster released that dog model to make up for the bad rep that spread around the forums after he "borrowed" merranvos jetpack script and merranvos menu creation idea.

and the fact that he didnt say it was or wasnt his kindof bugs me.

he didnt say it was his: so some people will be on his side because technically, he didnt do anything wrong, but like madhouse said, ethics is another issue...and monster has been known to play dirty to get some cash...

so based on the previous happenings, i dont think it was for the good of the fpsc community, i think he just wanted more people on his site...

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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:55
i just lost a big old post ...

oh well...

what i wanted to say was that based on monsters previous doings, i think he didnt mention anything because he wanted to clean up his rep from the jetpack incedent...

and he wanted more people to visit his site, hence buy his stuff...

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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:57
Conjure

Your missing the point...he lead everyone to believe it was his by A) putting it on his site as he puts his model packs and B) changing the README.TEXT.

I guess we agree to disagree. Fact is I am a business man and if I did this and was CAUGHT and said, "Hey..no one said I couldn't" ..I would be outta business.

I am all done now. I can go back to smelling the roses in my half full glass.

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
JimB
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 22:58
Quote: "Well, your Read Me file must be different than mine"


Yeah I downloaded Psionics dogcatrat model pack to compare and its in Psionics doganiminfo.txt file.
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 23:41
Monster never said he made it. He surely implied that it was his. But by doing so, and with his background and with the stuff he has for sale, that would make some people think if his goods are his.
madhouse
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Posted: 27th Oct 2005 23:52
Thank you Vlad...thats the point.

Not if its legal, Conjure. How bout this...it is just BAD BUSINESS on his part.

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Vlad
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Posted: 28th Oct 2005 00:15
Conjured

I like you mate. I really do, but you are a bit stuborn with legal matters.

Once upon the time, while I was in the army, a sergeant told me "Why are you convinced that you are right when everyone is marching with the other leg ahead."

In this case, you are right, but we are all marching at a different parade.

Legally, you are right, he never did anything wrong. I'm 100% with you on this.

But everyone is talking about ethics. Defending common sense and decency with the law is like making a man to man mark with basketball players in a golf tournament.

We are just speaking different subjects here.

Cheers.
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Posted: 28th Oct 2005 00:25
Why you getting so heated Conjure...you are right...I understand your point legally but...

It is just bad business on his part.

"It was a bad call, Ripley...it was a bad call"

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madhouse
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Posted: 28th Oct 2005 00:40 Edited at: 28th Oct 2005 00:45
Again...we are on the same page just looking at it from different angles.

Quote: "It disturbs me when the innocent are falsely accused."


From past track record this guy ain't so innocent. But looking at it from him doing a nice thing then I would say he is innocent. Maybe we did jump the gun. Maybe he just shoulda put in a credit. Who knows. Heck..I may use the dang dog. Ruff life.

So it goes. I got a real issue to go deal with.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2005 00:48
excuse me while I go grab my torch and lighter...

You smell something burning?

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...lol... no posts by monster since you said it wasnt his model lol...

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Posted: 28th Oct 2005 01:07
Well I see we are back to court TV.

This is really an issue between Psionic and Monster, why not let them hammer out what needs to be done, if anything.

Regards
Mark

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Posted: 28th Oct 2005 01:13 Edited at: 28th Oct 2005 01:22
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Well, I was gonna say that it's not exactly legal, but then saw it's free on his site...

I ALWAYS have flame proof jacket...just in case...and a shotgun. If you want any, just ask!

We are all nice,except for that one who's name starts in a m and ends in erranvo.
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Ya, I know now.

I ALWAYS have flame proof jacket...just in case...and a shotgun. If you want any, just ask!

We are all nice,except for that one who's name starts in a m and ends in erranvo.

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