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JoelJ
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now I have to find all of jimmy's threads...


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Richard Davey
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heh..

Seriously though, be careful not to waste my time I will ban anyone reporting for the sake/fun of it.

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Does that add something to the posters information... can we get banned for too many abusive reports?
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You can be banned for just one abusive report (depending on its severity). Get too many and I'll just delete your forum account.

If someone is "nominated" as being abusive, they will know about it privately.

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lol, this will help.

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sweet


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Would you look at that...


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Heil Richard Davey, der Forum fuehrer!

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haha! ja, ja, Richard ist sehr toll!

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What I just noticed that is more shocking is Rich started a Blog!!


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Expecting people not to push red buttons for no reason is never a good idea.

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oops.
edit: is it a ip blocking script?

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That looks ripped from msn... you sure that's your smiley, rich?

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It's ripped from msn.

My smilies smile.

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haha rich. Is that site still up? (winchs link) I deleted it so..

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now to ban jimmy and joel... no as much as id like to , rich, i think you better take these down, before all those salted lunch meat vendors (joel in particular) abuse it and tear down this forum.

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Quote: "before all those salted lunch meat vendors (joel in particular) abuse it and tear down this forum."

that makes me REALLY tempted to press that button... but since I know you are a handicap, I will let this one slide...

Quote: "Seriously though, be careful not to waste my time"

I wont...

Hey look, jimmy posted in this thread just to make things easy on me


Dang, I keep thinking they're attachments, I keep almost clicking them after reading some posts


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red buttons... dont click them? psh... maybe you should make a placibo that makes red flashes and sirens go off, then warns the person that they should be ready to commit to a serious descision
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Rich - aren't those buttons copyrighted by lovely Microsoft?

Also - that point about them being close to download buttons, isn't that fgoing to cause an issue? Could the button not be places in the Back to top section (floated to the right of that cell?

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I do hate their locations as well. I almost cliked on them myself thinking they were new download buttons lol. Luckily I notced that they were everywhere first.

I noticed somewhere on this forum that a couple of people were complaining about the new post approval system again ... I though we had plenty of mods not to have to worry about delays in post approval Any idea what the min and max post approval times are or can you test it? Also is there a way to tell what times of the day have the least mod activity? If you can come up with something like this, people would have a better idea about when to post or know more about how long it will take anyway.

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That site is pretty good there. Acts as if it's been deleted. Must be cookies or session variables or something.

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Quote: "I do hate their locations as well. I almost cliked on them myself thinking they were new download buttons "


Who cares if you accidentally click one? Just hit the 'back' button and everything's all dandy again.


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Oh lol. I didn't know there was a confirmation page

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lol yea i didnt know either. was hessitating on whether or not to push it.. and finally i did. but it was myself i pushed it on.


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The forum look more colorful lately. Matches Flock's skin ^_^ Nice one Rich.

Does the abuse button link to a confirmation page first or something?

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lol i can see this getting a bit out of hand, but for the time being it's a good idea. just maybe move the button somewhere else cause i nearly clicke dit thinkin it was a download or view button thank god for alt text

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abuse buttons are good, its nice to know theres a way to report someone now without making yourself completly public to everyone.

I dont think they are the be-all and end-all though. I think they are very close, but the best method imho is sort of an inverse.

Many forums keep post counts and give a ranking depending on the count - its NOT a good idea and encourages people to post excessivly and usually complete nonsense. No, what i think would be a great idea is a "praise" button which could go near or on the oposit side of the abuse button. If someone has responded to a post in a thoughtful and helpful manner (like to a question or maybe someone new has made a wip, posted wrongly and been corrected in a non arrogant manner then the poster may get praise) then you should be able to clikc a little button which gives them a certain amount of praise or something, like a little thankyou. Their total could show above their nick or in their profile or something.

It encourages people to post usfully and politly but it doesnt encourage spam because people wont get praise for a spam post.

I would really like to see something like that on this forum one day, I think it will do wonders for giving people that extra incentive to take time out of their day and reply - and to also do it politly. Food for thought at least?

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The only problem I see with this system is that everybody is different. Meaning there are things that I consider abusive that others might not consider abusive and some things that I tolerate that other people might consider abusive.

I'm sure the Mods will draw the line somewhere... but how are we to know where that line is?
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It will be for Rich to decide


I think though Rich is faking it I reckon that Rich says they do so and so to make everybody think "Ohhh, better not do that else I'll be reported" but in reality it just orders another pizza for Rich

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Quote: "No, what i think would be a great idea is a "praise" button which could go near or on the oposit side of the abuse button. If someone has responded to a post in a thoughtful and helpful manner (like to a question or maybe someone new has made a wip, posted wrongly and been corrected in a non arrogant manner then the poster may get praise) then you should be able to clikc a little button which gives them a certain amount of praise or something"


Brought up and discussed many, many times before and I can't see it happening for quite some time, if ever. The last word on it was that we weren't so sure it's such a good idea - people can easily abuse a system of that nature.


Quote: "I'm sure the Mods will draw the line somewhere... but how are we to know where that line is? "


You don't need to know, just click the report button if you think someone is abusing you. It should be pretty evident because you'll probably feel offended in someway.


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Nice rich this will make the forum less flaming thanks

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Is it just offensive comments (abuse), or does it include anything that breaks the rules eg. blatent thread hijacking?

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I can't decide if what you have done here Rich is very brave or very stupid!

I imagine you will have your hands very full answering all the abuse requests. For many people a big red button is just too tempting and I think it will get pressed at the slightest hint of discent.


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Wasting Rich's time by repeatedly reporting unnecessarily will result in a one week ban for the user doing the reporting. Users should exercise caution when reporting, but honestly, it's obvious when someone's abusing you so there should be no need to have to question whether to report or not.


Quote: "Is it just offensive comments (abuse), or does it include anything that breaks the rules eg. blatent thread hijacking?"


One of the examples on the abuse page reads: "Someone repeatedly hijacking / spamming a thread you have started".


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hmm! hows about a clever sod who makes an offensive post and then edits it before you can respond?, or do you have a "history" you can check back on to see what was originaly posted?



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i think they have history on it and it would say edited on : time day e.t.c

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I think the abuse button is too much responsibility for some people here! i mean come on, you have 13 yr olds in here! but anyway.. it would be nice if everyone on the forum could rate another forum member once per day, so we could get rankings

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What would stop someone linking to the abuse button, giving the link a seemingly harmless name?

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the fact you have to confirm....

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Getting too serious 'round here.
Never see threads like this anymore:

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Brought up and discussed many, many times before and I can't see it happening for quite some time, if ever. The last word on it was that we weren't so sure it's such a good idea - people can easily abuse a system of that nature.
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How, may I ask?

It is one of the only few systems that DOESNT encourage abuse. Its certainly no easier to abuse than an abuse button, so if people abuse it they can get a 1 week ban for that just like they can if they abuse the abuse button. I don't see why you would be willing to do one but not the other

There are plenty of examples online of a working and successful implementation of such a system and really they bring more good than bad as they are a genuine incentive into stopping users from even wanting to post crap which really does address the problem at the root whereas 24/7 mod watch pruning posts (which still has to happen, granted) is more trying to tackle it one leaf a time.

The most full example of a praise system in action would be www.expertsexchange.com off the top of my head, addy may be wrong xD (incidently thats experts exchange.. not expert se.. yeah)

Anyway, it would be nice to see it in the future

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@ Flashing Blade: I had almost forgot that one, seems like people had linked to it from all over the web, god that was funny, reading it again seriously cracked me up .



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Quote: "The only problem I see with this system is that everybody is different. Meaning there are things that I consider abusive that others might not consider abusive and some things that I tolerate that other people might consider abusive."


Sure, but if you feel like YOU'VE been abused, then you will know about it. If that other person "didn't mean it to sound that way" then they'll learn from it too (because if we agree it was abusive, they'll have a week ban to think it over). It's time to be a bit more considerate to others around here.

Quote: "hmm! hows about a clever sod who makes an offensive post and then edits it before you can respond?, or do you have a "history" you can check back on to see what was originaly posted?"


Doesn't matter, I have all message histories stored. Every edit is logged. You can't hide it.

Quote: "What would stop someone linking to the abuse button, giving the link a seemingly harmless name?"


Click it and see.

Seriously - if anyone is still thinking that by just pressing the button it starts off some automated report process, you're wrong. If you still think this - click it now and read what it says carefully.

Accidentally clicking it is NOT a problem. Just hit "back". You won't have done anything. In fact, if you've not read the abuse page, I urge you to do so now.

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for those too chicken...

Quote: "Report Forum Abuse

We take personal attacks on our forum members seriously. If you feel that this message has attacked you unfairly then this is your chance to report it.

We consider abuse to be any of the following:

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Personal attacks directed specifically at you
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Comments putting down your work, for no obvious reason, in an aggressive way
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Comments of a threatening nature
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Comments that promote or encourage personal violence (even in jest)
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Sexual, political, nationality or religious discrimination
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Direct swearing (even when starred **** out) at you
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Someone repeatedly hijacking / spamming a thread you have started
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Forum Harassment - someone constantly slagging you off, regardless of thread
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- This list is not definitive, it's just an example -

Remember that "abuse" is NOT a 'difference of opinion'. If someone thinks about something differently to you, this does not qualify as abuse unless they have expressed their opinion in an abusive manner.

When you submit this form we will investigate your claim. If we find your claim valid, we will ban that user for one week. Repeated offenders will be removed from the forum totally.

If we feel that you are simply wasting our time, causing trouble, or trying to make an issue out of nothing, we will ban YOU for one week. Repeated offences will have you banned from the forum totally"


And then it has two form boxes, one with the quoted message, and another for your message to rich.

At any rate, this should immensly helpful

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I think a "Praise" button would be stupid

Quote: "Getting too serious 'round here.
Never see threads like this anymore:"

I wish that thread would get deleted, it's really not that funny.
if you can't tell, he was joking.


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Well you would never get any thats for sure joel.

Praise is good, its just a way to thank someone for helping you out and an incentive for people to even bother, as oposed to all the sarcy and dry posts that people tend to post these days. I dont see why it would be "stupid" - it certainly doesnt do anything /bad/ - but in some peoples eyes it may do something good.

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No, it's not that, it's that then newbs start only looking at your "approval" rating and still start ignoring/treating w/o/ respect people who actually know what they're doing.

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Sephnroth: have you ever been to a form where they have POST COUNT and USER RATINGS and stuff like that?

people join the forums, and start posting in EVERY thread, and starting all this spammy crap.

it doesnt work, trust me


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There will be no karma system implemented here - at least, not in the capacity you're all expecting. They are (on the most part) useless, but I do have something in mind.

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For a Praise button, there must be some result to praise, i.e. stars. But on this site there's nothing to differentiate each user. If you want to praise somebody, why not send them an email?

Also, praise can be subjective. Something awesome from one member might be sub-par to another. But abuse is pretty black and white (hopefully). If you break the rule, then bang, you're punished.

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