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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Worried about the CD

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Jack Nukem
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Hi,

I Just bought Dark Basic Pro and I really like it.
The problem is that I need to use the CD to run DB Pro and I'm worried because I'm afraid it may harm the CD in the future!

Is there a way to run the program without the CD-Check?

Jacob
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MrTAToad
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Hmmm, yes, but its probably not legal...

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why not legal ?

it is not mentionned on the notice that you must use the cd every time you run DBPro !
it is just a copy protection that is a bit worrying.
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Jack Nukem
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All I want to do is put the original CD in the closet and
keep using DB Pro.

Jack

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Freddix
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I think it's the same for many people due to the fear to see our CD explosed by an error or dysfunction from our CD-rom drive !
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MrTAToad
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Indeed - the problem is that you can't do a normal copy (because of the protection).

I dont know, but possibly using a program that copys the CD properly could be deemed as illegial as it gets around the copy protection system.

Come to think of it, has anyone seen any Terms & Conditions for DBPro use ?

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Freddix
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I'm sorry but for me , in france ( I don't know if on USA the law is the same )

But In france we are allowed to make a safe copy !
then we are allowed to have original and 1 copy !
because in france we know that CDs are fragile and use a copy instead of the original itself preserve from Original cd destruction !
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djlaptop
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Indeed, here in the US we are legally allowed to make a single copy for backup purposes.

HOWEVER, the problem is the CD is physically incapable of being duplicated because of the Safedisc protection.

You can burn a copy if you like, but it won't work!

Apparently you won't need the CD once patch 2 comes out.

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Freddix
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yes , they say it , but if it is like the post :
'How to stop the CD check'
can we be sure it work ?
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Martyn Pittuck
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ok, you should be able to copy and CD with a bit 2 bit software (not a name of the software).

There are some out there.

The thing is, your bog standard CD R software copys the files from one CD to another and any copy protection is annonced.

Bit 2 bit software copys every bit and does not give a toss about an copy protection as it does not read any of the data from the disk.

The only way this can be done is if you have 2 CD drives on your PC.

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Just change your DBP shortcut from launch.exe to editor/editor.exe and all should be fine!

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i was just about to say am i mad or something, the post above this ( http://www.darkbasicpro.com/apollo/view.php?t=351&b=1 ) , says how to stop the cd check !!!!

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The One Ring
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That fix for the CD-Check doesn't work for everyone. Mine doesn't ask for the CD on load, but does every few compiles (if I don't have the CD in)...
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mine too
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Just make a CDR copy using CloneCD 4.

Then you won't have to worry about the original disc.

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Milamber
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Another program that works is blindwrite (http://www.blindwrite.com). Just ignore the fact that it takes a while to read it and says there are 70-odd errors on the disk (that's the copy protection) and don't worry, the copy WILL be good enough if your burner can write it properly. Mine can, and it's so old it doesn't even have buffer underrun protection. You will need 654MB of free HD space, but if you only have a burner you can still read and write with the one drive. Also, if you don't want to use the CD at all, and you have that 654MB of space free permanently, you can keep the image on your HD and use Daemon tools (http://www.daemon-tools.com/daemon_tools.htm) to mount it as a virtual CD drive, so DBPro still finds the CD any time it checks.

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Jack Nukem
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Damn, now I'm really worried!

Do you know the ugly noise when the CD DRIVE load
the disc?

I Tried to make backup copy of the CD maybe 4 times with
CD Clone 4 - it didn't work. Blindwrite doesn't work,
I Don't know why! What else can I do?

That's VERY annoying problem and VERY unfair - it's not
a game you can play, finish and put in the closet,
it's a programming language I hope to learn and work
for years!!!

Also, I can't sit many hours so I run DB Pro maybe 20-30
times every day!

Jacob

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swdave
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Since my CD got damaged I had to solve this problem for myself.

You can fix launch.exe by correcting the FullPath in launch.cfg to your correct install path. Then it will not ask for the CD everytime.

From:
[LAUNCH PATH]
FullPath=C:\Documents and Settings\Lee Bamber\My Documents\My Projects\Dark Basic Pro

To:
[LAUNCH PATH]
FullPath=C:\Program Files\DarkBasic

Since it was announced patch 2 will remove the CD check I will let you know it checks this value in the registry and asks for the CD every 100 compiles.

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Info]
"fileinfo"="1"

I dont know why they throw this silly copy protection at a bunch of game programmers but thats life I guess.

Dave...

P.S.
I think with any other language 100 compiles is enough to finish a whole project but with DBPro it will only last me one night.

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Jack Nukem
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Dave,

I Think it's really UNFAIR! You PIAD for this CD,
I think you should demand the company will give you
a new CD since it's their fault!

Jacob

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MrTAToad
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In what way is it their fault ?

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Jack Nukem
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It's THEIR fault (the company that created the product) because they FORCE us to RUN the CD in the CD drive everytime we want to run Dark Basic Pro!

For me it's mean something like 20 times everyday!

Do you know that when you take the CD out of the drive and
find it HOT like a hell?

Jacob

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I'm sure if you asked for one and have proof of purchase they might give you another. If you still have the CD shards then they will see you have prove (go dig `em up! )

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On my computer DBPro ask me only sometimes to put the CD but when I modified the key given by swdave , I put a value of -500000 !
Now It no more ask me for CD !
I can Use DBPro without the fear to have my cd destroyed by my CDrom drive !
Thanks swdave for your tips !
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Jack Nukem
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>when I modified the key given by swdave , I put a value >of -500000 !

Sorry, I didn't understand, how I do it?

Jacob

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the key react like this :
0 or 100 mean : Compiler must be validated by CD
1 up to 99 mean : you can compile and every time you compile the key increment .
simply put the value -500000 ( or another negative value )
With that value I can compile 500000 times before DBPro ask me for CD Validation.
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Milamber
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Why not simply put it to 101? Then it will NEVER ask for the CD as it will NEVER be either 0 or 100

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Rodro
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Imagine that --- one of the few things which actually work in DBPro is this stupid CD check. LOL!!!

Hey!! You talking to me?
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Rodro
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What a joke........

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Milamber
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And in patch 2 they're removing it, I believe. :lol: :lol:

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MrTAToad,

it is their fault that something more fragile than a thin wine glass costing $69-$99 and an investment to almost every programmer who shucked out the bucks so early on the buggy DBPro, cannot be BACKED UP.

I have two children who can be very sneaky and if I turn my back my 2 year old boy might get lucky and throw the DBPro CD down the hall like a frisby...? who knows.

NOW, you tell me... if you paid for your COPY, why should you be denied the right to reach in your closet and pull out a backup.

And I highly doubt the DB team will snap to attention if it came down to them having to send you another copy of the CD after you returned the damaged one. Look at all the downtime.

DB and DBPro is not just a toy to some people. In fact, people are making some serious stuff with DB, and depend on it to be there, CD SCRATCHES or not.

From all I hear... DBPro is very buggy, and can't be backed up. Thank goodness for that!

I'll stick with 1.13

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I just went Program Files->DBPro folder and copied the Launch icon to Desktop. You can rename it to DBPro if you want to make it look standard. Just use the new Shortcut and it should work without ever askin' for the CD again.

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Milamber
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And patch 2 removes the CD check, so you don't have to use the CD. Backing it up is simple, Blindwrite can even copy it so the CD check is passed with the copy.

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CDs cannot be damaged when they're in your READ ONLY DRIVE! But, if there is such a threat, you have your CD reader manufacturers to sue, 'cause I've never heard of a CD reader that damages CDs. That's a new one.

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Milamber
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Well, once one of the stabilizers briefly failed in a CD drive I used to have, and the CD got scratched, but other than that, CDs can't even be damaged in CDRW drives, because there is protection preventing it from even trying to write to a read-only CD.

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Patch 1 removes the CD check, but if the CD didn't have protection, less honest people wouldn't buy it.

http://www.getafile.com/cgi-bin/merlot/get/DARKBASIC/darkbasicpro/dbpro_patch_1.zip

Most software today goes by the fact that you are buying a licence to use the software, not the CD itself. The CD is just a means to an end of transporting the software.

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smart!

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