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tpfkat
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why not just put in a " item not recieved " claim in paypal, they will give all his details and if he has a credit card on file it will take the owed money ( chargeback) from the credit card.
else paypal will pay out through insurance and paypal will take him to court to claim all the money back.
this happens on ebay all the time.

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Quote: "why not just put in a " item not recieved " claim in paypal, they will give all his details and if he has a credit card on file it will take the owed money ( chargeback) from the credit card."


It is over 45 days, we were duped with all the delay emails, and excuses on his forum, we trusted him, believe me, Sam reads these threads, thats how he knew Cobra One was going to phone, and just ignored the calls, we all need to complain to ebay to make them realize this is a con.


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I have also sent Sam an email:
Quote: "Are you going to do the right thing, and give us a refund, or we will get together and file a claim against you, this is your last chance."

And I sent it to: ninthlife@quikly.com


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Posted: 15th Apr 2006 23:15 Edited at: 15th Apr 2006 23:18
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i don't think sam wants you posting his e-mail on a public forum just e-mail back on the details you reieved it on he tod me in a quikly pm ages ago he didn't post it because it would get spammed alot

No offence just saying of course

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It is public, just go to whois, with the Quikly domain, and there it is, for the world to see.
And at this point, I don't give a cr@p what Sam wants, he has my money.


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Posted: 16th Apr 2006 06:20
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@Sunrise - You keep posting in here without offering anything of substance.

We should keep this thread on topic and on target with getting some answers and a refund. If anyone has anything cheesy/offtopic to add, then please keep it to yourself.

The WHOIS records are public for, like Aoneweb says, the entire world to see. He most likely already gets spammed on his email by robot crawlers/email harvesters--- at least I know I do.

Anyone know of a better way to get the money back than small claims? I don't want to have to pay more money to get the money back, and I don't think my local authorities will be able to claim monies from a foreign seller.

Looks like I'm simply screwed, here, and another month will roll by without a word.


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Hi,
I bought Quikly as well, we could all contact BBC Watchdog Programme
about what has happened to us.
Website:http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/
they might want to investigate.
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I have contacted BBC television Watchdog consumer complaints programme, website:http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/
if everbody complains to them they might investigate.
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Posted: 16th Apr 2006 21:26
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Dave can you paste in what you wrote, if you still have it?


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I haven't still go what I wrote but told, about the Quikly setup of early adopter,price,we received empty cd that connects to internet for install.
But the website was withdrawn, Sam Jones name and address and telephone number. About that fifty people had purchased the software from Spain,America Canada as well as the Uk.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/
I just submitted a complaint to watchdog, I used my London address, but I think it would have not mattered what the address was, so go on and do the same.
Watchdog is a very good consumer complaints TV program, for those who do not know.


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...christ sake, you've already complained to paypal, I'm sure they'll do all they can...any one you guys going to complain to? I understand why you want to complain, but its a risk of using the internet and well you contacted the people in charge, as for watchdog, I don't understand whats going on here, have you followed this idea that it is a scam and acted on it? Its too much effort for too little money when you have his phone number and address through whois.com and how do you know he isn't replying to his phone, because he literally and physically can't? I mean it would make more sense for someone to contact the authorities to A- see if alls well over there, or B- Do what you guys intend to do with watchdog

Plus I thought watchdog was only a program that televised police stories and not handling them themselves, but then again it has been a really long time since I watched it and pretty much forgot it existed

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@Musashi
If you have not lost any money from this, then butt out, it has nothing to do with you.
Some of us have been scammed before, and tired of it, so you see it is not money, as much as pride.


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well watchdog only seem to air interesting stories about lots of pensioners being sucked into getting some bodges plumbing or getting there drive re-concreted, or if loads of people complain about the same thing i doubt even if 10 of you did that wouldent cut it.

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Hey you guys ,have u tried to se if all of our install keys are the same?
Mine ends with ASDH, if they are all the same then we no or a fact that it is a scam.
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@ Aone, I haven't lost money but am awaiting his return for purchase, I may have not been someone who has lost money, but I have been paying attention to this thread waiting for his return and think some of the things you guys are coming up with a stupid, didn't Chris say he would wait until tuesday for any replies on his phone and if not he would continue trying, however its monday.

As for pride, there is no loss in pride in loosing money over the internet, I've been scammed for faulty goods and I lived with it, including a £50 graphics card, I tried to refund, no reply and I didn't over react by saying 'the bastard scammed me money' I thought its my fault for trusting someone over the internet and lived with it.

And considering I respect Sam as a forum member and it is my business in the sense if Dark Coder here was in the same position as Sam. Also if this is a 'scam' then he did a crap one, he could have got more money out of actually releasing the product, I mean paying for the publications of the disks and cases, the webhost and all the time and effort into producing a product is a stupid way to scam people, which is why I don't believe he is scamming you dudes (As John Y did post his number and address, if Cobra managed to get him by phone before then he would realise we have the ability to trace him)

As for trying to get your money back I don't blame you, but the rest is just a load of b*llocks to me

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As for trying to get your money back I don't blame you, but the rest is just a load of b*llocks to me"

Then don't read this thread, it's that easy, you are in no way helping with your comments.


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Quote: "so you see it is not money, as much as pride."


Pride is a sin.


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Well I am trying to help, by pointing out, even if it was a scam its not a big deal it happens all the time, ones of the rish of using the internet, however I think it is a stupid idea that it is a scam, my comments are supposed to point out that you should do what your doing simply because A- You won't get much out of it, as the chances of watchdog doing anything are slim to nil B- There are smarter ways like contacting the authorities to check if he's okay or if your suspicions are correct, as it is what they are payed for, to see if people are okay and/or help them or to bust people for a crime.

And if I'm not helping, what exactly are you doing thats helpful? If you read the last post you would see that I am trying to help by pointing out some of the reasons why it cannot be a scam, how you're being ridiculous and my post before that suggest a more helpful alternative to watchdog that can really be much more of help.

Even if I haven't said things in a constructive manner doesn't mean I haven't done anything to help with this. Plus I am helping Sam in the fact I am trying to express a more skeptical and un paranoid view over this.

Quote: "Pride is a sin."

So is poking a man made of marshmellow in the stomach making him laugh

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@Musashi - Seriously, like we've said already, don't post if you're not here to help. I realize some of you may be all "put out" by some of the accusations, but I'll give you the same advice you're trying to give us--- deal with it.

I don't think it was an intentional scam, but there is absolutely *no* justifiable reason for Sam not posting anything on his site or in these forums. Actually, there is only one valid reason I can think of, and you all know what that is.

Therefore, all we have to go on is the fact that we have useless paperweights that cost us $50. I would almost be less concerned if it were some nobody fly-by-the-night operation, but Sam was an active member on this forum. And his website still says March 20th, which is a complete and utter joke by the way (and I truly believe he took off his forums because there were too many complaints.)

Since Paypal will most likely not answer our pleas, we only have so much we can do, so this thread is a good way for us to vent (and should be a warning to anyone else who tries to pull the same kind of stunt in the future).

Musashi - You still want to purcahse Quikly when Sam resurfaces? Would you like to buy a bridge from me too?


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Quote: "Seriously, like we've said already, don't post if you're not here to help"

The point of my posting is to intentionally help, whether or not it does, I'm trying to keep absurd accusations and people acting on them simply because I don't think its right when you can't prove what you think what has happened which is why I suggested something better than watchdog, however what I should have done is not put it into a ranting format.

Quote: "I don't think it was an intentional scam, but there is absolutely *no* justifiable reason for Sam not posting anything on his site or in these forums. Actually, there is only one valid reason I can think of, and you all know what that is."

Theres one possible reason, but I hope thats not the reason.

However you're right, but we don't know the reason why which is why I am condemning these conclusions being drawn.

Quote: "Since Paypal will most likely not answer our pleas, we only have so much we can do, so this thread is a good way for us to vent (and should be a warning to anyone else who tries to pull the same kind of stunt in the future)."

Only things I can think of to do is, contact the UK authorities and to check out his address to see if he is okay, to see whats going on and that people are really beginning to think its a scam and will act accordingly...

Or wait until I get the money the tax office owes me (Still gotta write out that form) and I'll go down to the post office during a break at school and post him a letter explaining as much as i can of the forum activity here and what I suggest he should do and a load of other stuff, and ask him to mail back within a certain time either by post or email for a full explanation, and if he doesn't reply I'll stop trying to defend him and will let Aone do whatever he wants.

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Quote: "Musashi - You still want to purcahse Quikly when Sam resurfaces? Would you like to buy a bridge from me too?"


Depends on how much I have left over from a purchased on Hexagon, but I won't buy from you, would be cheaper to get it from Roo if and when he gets back as he lives in the same country.

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If it is not a scam, why doesn't Sam reply to the messages on his answer machine and emails,why is he trying to hide. what authorities
are we suppose to contact, mostin England would tell us to go away and not to bother them.
Watchdog is our only hope
Sam checks out on his address and telphone number his whois account runs out May 24th 2006 not long to go.
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I didn't loose any cash, I didn't buy the thing, but I could have, and making an issue of this, may stop people being ripped off in the future, so I say, do what you must, and others should learn from this post.
Remember, don't part with your money, even if you do wanna help.
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@Catking read some of my posts, it says some things why I don't think it is a scam, no one would be dumb enough to make this sort of thing into a scam. If it was the authorities would track him easily, plus he didn't make enough money to pay for an escape route where the police couldn't catch him, so it doesn't make sense to me, but I understand why some could think it is a scam when looking it straight on.

Authorities would be the police, and whatever you dudes in other countries would use to sort this out, like I said, when I get money I'll send him a letter and well, I can't be bothered to repeat myself so read my last post.

Watchdog isn't your only hope yet, I think there are better solutions out there than going for something that are unlikely to be of use (Think if they dealt with this sort of thing they would be crammed with it and will be able to put less into more serious issues)

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Well there's bound to be excuses he'll make when he comes back--- the Quikly forumers heard nearly half a dozen excuses, causing delay after delay *prior* to him pulling everything off his site.

Some of you have short memories--- this isn't about March 20th--- it's about Feb. 14th.


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Yeah well, I decided I'll leave it up to you lot, those who purchased it, I'll ignore any comments that I think are stupid and will keep looking to see if Sam is back.

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Quote: "Yeah well, I decided I'll leave it up to you lot, those who purchased it, I'll ignore any comments that I think are stupid and will keep looking to see if Sam is back."

Check back on May 25th, and we will let you know.

Do you guys remember Pie In The Sky, they released GCS V3 I think it was, the Windows version, as opposed to the DOS version, then after a few months, the creator disappeared, wouldn’t answer any emails, we were all left with buggy software, and no answers, was that a scam, I mean we had software, it just didn't work.
But at leased he did give us the program.
I remember on the Quikly forum, Sam said if Quikly was dead, he would make it open source, What Do You Say Sam, stop the problems now, make it open source, and let us repair it, and make it available to the others.


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Pie in the sky, I remember that, almost bought the software, from what I understand people have made games with it now, because I remember seeing an FPS that was made using a sketched style texturing.

Quote: "Check back on May 25th, and we will let you know."

Yeah sure, can't remember there something significant about that date, now you got me trying to remember, prolly an exam or something

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According to whois, his site is up for renewal on the 24th.
Quote: "Pie in the sky, I remember that, almost bought the software, from what I understand people have made games with it now, because I remember seeing an FPS that was made using a sketched style texturing."

Yes, the author was Lon, a member of the fpsc forum, well all these forums, GCS was very buggy so the developer ran and hid, left a lot of people very upset, and out of pocket.


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Quote: "Yes, the author was Lon, a member of the fpsc forum, well all these forums, GCS was very buggy so the developer ran and hid, left a lot of people very upset, and out of pocket."


Oh right I didn't know that, glad I found Dark Basic before I thought I'd buy his software then

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Just to clarify, what Aone is saying:
Lon is the author of Pencil Whipped, a game made with GCS; Lon is not the author of GCS.
Hope that's clear now.
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Oh I see, sorry I kind proof read what he said, Lon made Pencil whipped, that looked kewl, perhaps I should look for the download again, I didn't download it last time because I was on 56k then

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Quote: "Just to clarify, what Aone is saying:
Lon is the author of Pencil Whipped, a game made with GCS; Lon is not the author of GCS."

Thank you NE, thats what I ment.
36 days left, and no responce from Sam.


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I have tried ringing Sam again twice today and all I get is his answer machine. He didn't reply to my last message I left so I can only assume he is now not answering his phone. I will keep trying and let you know how I get on.

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Can you block your number, or use a pay phone, he may have user ID, and wrote down your number.


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Aren't there more of you guys in England who can try to call? Or do you have to pay for local calling or something like that??


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In England, you have to pay for all out going calls, unless things have changed since 2000.


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Quote: "Can you block your number, or use a pay phone, he may have user ID, and wrote down your number"


Already tried blocking my phone number but still get no answer.

Quote: "In England, you have to pay for all out going calls, unless things have changed since 2000"


Yes we still have to pay for all calls even when his BT answerphone kicks in.

Quote: "Aren't there more of you guys in England who can try to call?"


If anyone else wants his phone number to ring him then email me and I will let you have it. I have just tried him again, still no answer.

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The number that you're calling, did you get it from the whois record? Or is it a super secret direct line to the batcave?

Quote: "Can you block your number, or use a pay phone, he may have user ID, and wrote down your number."

It's unlikely, but not impossible. Caller ID is quite new here in the UK - it's a monthly subscription service and you need to sometimes need to buy extra gadgetry to get the number displayed. You can however block your number from being sent when you dial ....

Quote: "In England, you have to pay for all out going calls, unless things have changed since 2000."

That's pretty much the case. Certain cable providers let you have free local calls provided you're calling someone who uses the same cable provider. :S

Here's a possibility for the silence:

I don't know how "seriously" Sam was taking this little venture, but it's possible that he wasn't properly registered as a business, and he's been caught by the inland revenue for not declaring income. As far as I know, banks and the inland revenue work closely to try and make sure all consistent revenue streams are accounted for.

Not quite sure what the knock on effect of that would be (in terms of him not answering his phone/emails) but it's a possible cause.

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Quote: "The number that you're calling, did you get it from the whois record? Or is it a super secret direct line to the batcave?"

I used the one from whois.com
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Quote: "I don't know how "seriously" Sam was taking this little venture, but it's possible that he wasn't properly registered as a business, and he's been caught by the inland revenue for not declaring income. As far as I know, banks and the inland revenue work closely to try and make sure all consistent revenue streams are accounted for."

He would have to be taking orders for a year or two, then not pay taxes on them for an investigation by the IR.
Then he would have time to pay or dispute, the estimate taxes owed, his accountant would then step in to freeze the process, while they dispute the amount and offer the correct return ti IR.
Anyway, he would have to be taking moneys over a period of a year or two.


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Quote: "He would have to be taking orders for a year or two, then not pay taxes on them for an investigation by the IR.
Then he would have time to pay or dispute, the estimate taxes owed, his accountant would then step in to freeze the process, while they dispute the amount and offer the correct return ti IR.
Anyway, he would have to be taking moneys over a period of a year or two."


That would be if he were here in the USA, where our tax people are lazy.

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If he's in the UK it takes 4.5 seconds for the revenue to find out you haven't been paying some stupid tax and 10 seconds to be fined, stripped of everything you own and thrown in prison head first. Tax is very strict here, especially the infamous walking down the road tax and the breathing tax.

But back on topic, I believe quite a while ago I remember Sam vanishing from the forums for like 6 months... think he was working on an RPG or something at the time. Maybe its a common occurance.
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Yeah... Maybe he will come back as "Kangaroo3 BETA3"

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By the way, I ran my own Electrical contracting company, in London, for 12 years, I know a lot about the Inland Revenue, ask any contractor.


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I managed to get hold of Sam tonight and he informed me that he, his mother and uncle have all been ill! He also said we will all be getting an email either tomorrow or tuesday and that he has got help with the new website and it should be up and running in a day or two.
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From Cobra_one, posted earlier today on my forum:
Quote: "I got hold of Sam this evening and he now says he, his mother and uncle have all been ill but we should all be getting an email either tomorrow or tuesday.
He also said he has got help with the new website and it should be up and running in a day or two. Lets see if he is true to his word!
He wouldn't talk to me for long because he was on his way out but I did tell him he owes it to us to keep us informed."


Thanks for making the effort Chris.

sorry, didn't see chris had posted already


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Regardless of what happens, I am still going to request my full money back. I feel very bitter, and nothing will fix that.

Sam's a great guy, but business definitely does not mix well with pleasure.

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And see this is what really irks me. Sam was at home when you called, and had time to talk to you. Yet he couldn't even do a single post in this thread to let us know that he's fulfilling our refund requests.


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I personally don't see any point in asking for a refund. No one can get a hold of him, and he's no more obligated to refund money than he is to provide the product he was supposedly selling. Assuming he does return and finally makes Quikly available (I still think he's been working on it all along) isn't that good enough? Had none of these disappointments happened wouldn't you still want the product originally promised? I know I still do.
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Quote: "I personally don't see any point in asking for a refund. No one can get a hold of him, and he's no more obligated to refund money than he is to provide the product he was supposedly selling."


Well, you're not me. If I order a chair to be delivered from IKEA and it takes them three months to deliver, I will promptly ask for my money back. Then I can turn around and give the money to, I dunno, Costco to get the chair. We received NOTHING from Kang, so it's only fair to get the money back so I can put it to use on something that exists.

Quote: "Assuming he does return and finally makes Quikly available (I still think he's been working on it all along) isn't that good enough?"


You're living in a dream world if you think he's been working on Quikly, yet not letting us know. And even if he was, why would you want to reward someone for doing this? Go ahead and spend your money.

And no, it's not good enough. I requested a refund over a month ago, and I will not forget it until I receive one. I am the kind of consumer who, if I get screwed by a company, will not choose to do business with them ever again... period. That's not such a profound ideal if you ask me.


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