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Diablos
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i couldnt figure out where to post this but this seemed about the closest.

A large quantity of drugs has been discovered in a Catholic church in North Dakota. A Priest has been arrested on suspicion of drug smuggling.

linky

just click on 'recent news' on the top bar.

its hilarious. although this is the only link i could find, cousins in the police in North Dakota have confirmed that its true
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I really like your avatar... I just can't stop looking at it!

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Don't mind SirFire, he's just your typical irc nerd

Honestly, a yellow bikini with... pigtails? the girl has no sense of style


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Oh, right, didn't notice her head, yeah she needs to lose the pigtails.

[edit] And the bikini

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Surly those are bunches not pigtails? Wouldn't pigtails be plaitted(sp?) ?

Anyway, don't get me started on how corrupt the Catholic chuch can often get away with being...


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Did you guys even look at his link?

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no.

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hey I know where you got that avitar from! i love that site. kiddies dont you dare look!!!

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rofl rofl rofl. When you can say that about an avatar

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Yes, the administrators in the Catholic Church may be corrupt, but the people of the Church (I'm not saying all) are people of Jesus Christ.

Please don't insult them for then I shall be personally offended. Thank-you.

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Posted: 2nd Feb 2006 19:08 Edited at: 2nd Feb 2006 19:10
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People who are members of any church are usually good people, I'm not insulating any particular religion or belief. The trouble is that people in charge of any church/religion often don't actually believe in the religion ("practice what they preach") and use a religion as an excuse to boss people around and take advantage of them, be it for monitary, physical, or psycholgical gain. Because the staunch catholic beliefs are stronger in their limitations of human rights than many christian religions (ie they believe in "original sin" and everybody should be constantly apologising for being human therefore not perfect) it allows gaps for some people to take advantage of that and get away with stuff an average citizen wouldn't be able to do (and when foudn out, its often coverred up, "do as I say not as I do" style.)

I'm not insulting Catholics for a second, and I'm not insulting people who go to any church at all - in fact I think it is enviable to have the strength of character to believe in something so strongly. I'm just stating that there is a LOT of corruption within the higher ranks of the catholic church itself, thats common knowledge. Its exactly the same in other many other religions, it is evil as it preys on the vulnerability of average people, and that just sickens me. It doesn't mean someone is bad for being catholic, that would be like saying that because a politician makes a bad decision it is the fault of the people of the country, its simply not the case


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Quote: "The trouble is that people in charge of any church/religion often don't actually believe in the religion"

not the mormons, trust me, our leaders believe 100% in what they teach

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and he managed to be the first person on the forums to get their avatar image blocked by me

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It's a sad fact preachers have many problems because they too are human... if they truly read/follow The Bible the problems won't exist.

My first experience with a preacher that wasn't up to par was when I was a kid. Our church had just elected a new pastor and the very first time he preached he talked about the evils of TV... he eventually stated "You'll NEVER see one of those in my house!". A few days after that my family had dinner at his house... right there in his living room was an "evil" TV.


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and there-in lies my point

"not the mormons, trust me, our leaders believe 100% in what they teach"
Peronal (but trying to be non-objective) opinion which any mod is free to delete if it goes beyong the terms of the site:



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Thank-you for clearing that up

I do agree with you. But us meager mortals can only pray to God and hope that this evil is rid of us soon.

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Kangaroo i totally agree, i was on the wrong side of a church corruption and i was clueless for about 14 years. I dont go there anymore but its owned and operated by my grandad and now theres no connection any more. :\ kinda sucks but yea that stuff happens more than people think. Not just catholic either, any religion/denomination.

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Quote: "and he managed to be the first person on the forums to get their avatar image blocked by me"

Are you gay?

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Posted: 2nd Feb 2006 22:35 Edited at: 2nd Feb 2006 23:11
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HWT - thanks for not getting offended for me questionning your views, I do respect the religion and people, just sceptical about how some individual churches choose to run themselves

"Kangaroo i totally agree, i was on the wrong side of a church corruption and i was clueless for about 14 years."
Thanks OddMind

Wow I'm glad people didn't take my rantings the wrong way or get this thread locked lol

Benjamin - Lots of religions discorage sexual thoughts outside of marriage and or the degredation of women through "sexy" promotional work. Can't say that I agree, but he's allowed his right to follow that without being called gay. I know you were just joking though


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Quote: "Lots of religions discorage sexual thoughts outside of marriage and or the degredation of women through "sexy" promotional work"

Suuuure, bring religion into it. It's a good point though.

Quote: ". I know you were just joking though"

Yes... that's right.

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Quote: "They honestly believe that Joseph Smith wrote the book of mormon down just as god told him, and then when his wife didn't believe him, took the book off him and said "if god told you that he can tell it to you again and it will be the same" and he went away and came back with an entirely different book becasue god was to "angry" to tell him the same thing twice?? "

sorry, you have the "twisted" version of this story, almost completly wrong.

Joseph Smith's wife did belive him.

There was a man by the name of "Martin Harris", who was helping Joseph Smith translate the Book of Mormon, his wife didn't believe what he was doing during his time with Joseph. So he borrowed 100 and something pages of the book, and showed her them, she then stole them and gave them to the mobs, who changed the wording to TRAP Joseph Smith and see if he could retranslate them to be exact, if he did, the old ones were changed so the mobs could say "Look, we have the orriginal of this, this man is a fake", so Joseph, (either being really smart, or in my opinion, God told him) didn't retranslate that section of the book. He didn't come back with "a different book" he came back with THE REST of the book.

And if you really really really want me to, I could point how SEVERAL reasons how Joseph COULDN'T have written the book, that he HAD to have get them from an ancient source. It has been PROVEN by Mormons and Non-Mormons that he COULDN'T have written it.

so your statement there was not correct.

And by my statement of "not the mormons, trust me, our leaders believe 100% in what they teach", i do not mean the leaders of different areas (Bishops, different teachers, etc), but i mean The [B]President[/B] of our church (Gordan Hinkley) and his Apostles. You can NOT say they're corrupt, they personally don't receive any of our tithing money, it's all given out to build Temples, more churches, etc.
They do not recieve any of the other donations, those are used to help the homeless, and the less fortunate.

I do however KNOW there are corrupt bishops and other "smaller" leaders throughout our church, which is a very sad tell, which is why we are taught if we think something is weird, to look it up in our specific documents (Book of Mormon, and other scripture)

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"she then stole them and gave them to the mobs, who changed the wording to TRAP Joseph Smith and see if he could retranslate them to be exact, if he did, the old ones were changed so the mobs could say "Look, we have the orriginal of this, this man is a fake""
Fair enough thats a good save and makes it more believeable I guess its the same with every religion that it takes a degree of believeing stories which have been past down rather than gaining the knowledge from a personal level, which means all religions will always be down to scrutinising by scinics(sp?) and will take a degree of faith.

You will notice that even though I was skeptical about it (just as I am also skeptical about the founding stories of the christian, hindu and many other religions) I still pointed out that whether I believe it or not is immaterial, from my experience mormons are very nice people and I agree with a lot of their morals and philosifies on life, so please don't be offended by my post

I didn't say the President of your religion was personally corrupt I just pointed out that in all religions there are leaders of certain churches (bishops, preists, vicars, whatever) who are corrupt, as you said yourself. And yes, its very sad that any religion can be missused, the point in religions is to give people hope and morals, not to control them


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I hate utah...

No offense Joel, but there are a lot of things about the mormon church that seem corrupt and hypocritical. Like the fact the church owns stock in companies of things that they ban by their religion (not that most followers actually follow these bannings... coffee and tea (hot drinks as they call them) being banned? And you actually bother to go to england and say "Become a mormon! but you can't have teatime anymore...).

When/If the mormon church relinquishes their stock in the Pepsi and CocaCola companies, it'll be a good day.

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Quote: "Benjamin - Lots of religions discorage sexual thoughts outside of marriage and or the degredation of women through "sexy" promotional work. Can't say that I agree, but he's allowed his right to follow that without being called gay. I know you were just joking though "


There have been many misconceptions about this and Catholicism/Christianity, so I'm here to present the fact. Sorry if this gets a little touchy, but it's my duty to address it regardless. PLEASE don't think I'm some bible preacher or something. I'm just a guy like the rest of you. I sin alot too. I kept starting at Diablos' avatar too (my imagination running wild at the same time - you really should take that off - it's distracting; nobody will ever read your threads ). So don't think of me something special.

Fact#1: Sex is not evil. Sex is the natural act of consumating a relationship. It is not evil; in fact, it is holy. Very very holy.

Fact#2: Sex before marriage is not good (except if you're engaged). This has nothing to do with the act itself. The fact that many couples just get together to have sex is wrong. Sex is not purely physical as many people have grown to believe (thanks to obvious reasons; having sex before marriage promote this lack of respect). It is a spiritual unity between man and woman. The power of this can only be understood when you have experienced the true love of your partner and of course, the purest love of all, the love of God.

Fact#3: Lust is evil. It corrupts the heart. Think of it this way. By lusting after one another, we begin to lose our respect for sex and think that it's just some 'casual' thing that we humans do - WRONG! It is and always will be a very very powerful spiritual act. Continuous lust causes us to 'see' people naked and comitting a sexual act with us - don't you think (in common sense - no religious boundaries whatsoever) that this is kinda disgusting and perverted?! It sure is! It's not difficult to prevent lust but it's possible. #

Fact#4: Doing it for pleasure is not wrong so long as you participate in it respectfully (by the ways I mentioned above).

Fact#5: (This is a sensitive part) Pornography and masturbation are outruled by the Church not because 'God said it's bad'; people back in the day (of Christ or before) may very well have masturbated but God didn't punish them for it. The reason our Pope made it out to be sinful is again common sense. Times change and times during or before Christ are different than they are now. If you have never had a sexual experience and start once - it takes a lifetime to stop thanks to all those 'Ooo, Ooo, Ahh, Ahh' stuff on the TV and other sources. Porn is always bad since it causes lust (think about it; after watching those movies/pics for so long, don't you start to want to feel like you ought to be or can be doing something like those in the movie?).

Another thing about marriage. IT IS NOT A DOCUMENT THAT SEALS SOME LEGAL CONTRACT!!! It's a very powerful (yes, 'very powerful') bind between the man and the woman that lasts for eternity.

Also about the Church's traditions and stuff. Those are just man-made traditions. We do them only to remind us of the real thing. That is why we have statues and pictures and stuff - to visualise and direct our focus on to the person we are praying to. When saying "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee..." it should be like we're saying it to Mary herself. Some people (*raises hand*) find that difficult sometimes, so we have the pictures/statues to remind us and keep us focused.

Q&A: If you live a good life without praising God and going to Church you will go to Heaven. WRONG! You must go to Church to receive the body & blood of Christ, to praise God and also to confess our sins and cleanse our selves
Q&A: If you live a good life, praise God and all that, you will go to Heaven. WRONG AGAIN! You must carry out your mission too. Remember, this tiny earth that we'll be living in for, oh I don't know, say, 75 years on average is just a small pit-stop. We came from God, we've gotta go back to Him soon. This world is nothing compared to that. Having said that, don't go jumping off a cliff or killing yourself because you've still got a race to run and it must be run by you if you are to win back God's kingdom.

Also, with regard to corruption in the Church. This is purely my opinion. Forget them! Forget all the officials (be it priests, mormons, whoever; I'm NOT saying they're corrupt though). Forget them all and focus on yourself. Don't go around in life nitpicking everything your neighbour does. Instead, make yourself a better man/woman/child. Just focus on completing your mission and on God. Your mission can be as simple as being nice to each other, or settling down and teaching your children good values etc.... Whatever it is, it is VERY special so don't EVER turn your back on it.

A few other things have to be said about this but I can't fit it all in here. Maybe I should start my own thread on the subject...Anyone think that's a bad idea? Please don't be shy - tell me

Thanks for reading and God Bless

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Quote: "Are you gay? "

more than likely. but that's his problem.

my religion preaches these tennants:
think about what YOU want
think about what YOU need
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May I ask, what is the name of your religion?

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May I ask, why are you making this topic flaimbait, HWT?


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so I was right in saying catholics would "discorage sexual thoughts outside of marriage" or certainly thats acts

Its entirely up to you to believe what you wish and entirely up to others to believe what they want too, thats wats so great about society, we can all preciate each others views respectfully.

Probably best not to open a whole thread about it though, you'll get some very predudiced responces and I think it would get lockled very quickly. I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked really, I'm pretty sure discussions about religion are discouraged here as they lead to heated arguements


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Quote: "Sex before marriage is not good (except if you're engaged)."

uhh.... i would just like to point out that i (and every christian i have ever met) don't think sex is okay "if you're engaged"...

i agree with about %75 of what you said... (you sound catholic, from the mentions of "hail mary", and that's not bad, i know plenty of catholics that are on the same wavelength as me) but i think we'd disagree on a few points

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Quote: "uhh.... i would just like to point out that i (and every christian i have ever met) don't think sex is okay "if you're engaged"..."

Agreed, but you'll find yourself with an entirely different situation if you step into a public high school... I remember one dude saying, "yeah, they had to stop the school uniforms thing, everybody starting having sex a lot more and so several couples got caught at it, so it [school uniforms] was trashed."


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Quote: "so please don't be offended by my post "

none taken I just wanted to point out that the story you posted was wrong

Quote: "Like the fact the church owns stock in companies of things that they ban by their religion...When/If the mormon church relinquishes their stock in the Pepsi and CocaCola companies, it'll be a good day."

no one ever said Pepsi/Coke where banned. who said we can't drink either of those? no hypocrasy there...

Quote: "And you actually bother to go to england and say "Become a mormon! but you can't have teatime anymore...).
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but yet... they STILL send missionaries there, and they STILL get converts... wow... amazing. There must be something more than meets the eye?

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Quote: "Also about the Church's traditions and stuff. Those are just man-made traditions. We do them only to remind us of the real thing. That is why we have statues and pictures and stuff - to visualise and direct our focus on to the person we are praying to. When saying "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee..." it should be like we're saying it to Mary herself. Some people (*raises hand*) find that difficult sometimes, so we have the pictures/statues to remind us and keep us focused."


God does not like us to worship idols (graven images)... and the only person that hears our prayers is Jesus. So praying to Marry (or saints) and praying to a brick wall are the same thing.

Only Jesus can hear our prayers and fogive us of sins.


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Yeah, I've never understood why catholics worship Mary.

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Mary is a sex icon, why else.

Quote: "So praying to Marry (or saints) and praying to a brick wall are the same thing."

What about talking to a brick wall?

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Quote: "Only Jesus can hear our prayers and fogive us of sins."

If that's what you believe

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Quote: "but yet... they STILL send missionaries there, and they STILL get converts... wow... amazing. There must be something more than meets the eye?"


Well, if you send people all over the earth for some time, and tell them "Do nothing but ride on your little bikes, go around in suits, and talk to people about the LDS", odds are likely your gonna get a few.

Quote: "no one ever said Pepsi/Coke where banned. who said we can't drink either of those? no hypocrasy there..."


Well they aren't banned, but it is suggested by church officials that you do not drink them, is it not?

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it is suggested that you do not become addicted to anything.

the second you have to have a Pepsi to think, a coke to drive, and a coffee to wake up, that's when it's become a problem.

it's not like they own stocks in Budweiser or something

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What does this mean please? Thanks

Quote: "so I was right in saying catholics would "discorage sexual thoughts outside of marriage" or certainly thats acts"

Yes and do you know understand why?

Quote: "God does not like us to worship idols (graven images)... and the only person that hears our prayers is Jesus. So praying to Marry (or saints) and praying to a brick wall are the same thing.

Only Jesus can hear our prayers and forgive us of sins."

But Mary is the Queen of purity and the one with the power to crush the devil. Remember when Jesus said "Here is your mother" etc.... Shouldn't we pray for and to our mother? Note this that we Catholics DO NOT worship the saints, we DO NOT worship Mary or Joseph, AND we DO NOT worship Jesus Christ either. We only worship GOD but we PRAY to Mary, the saints and Jesus Christ for strength to do the right thing and avoid wrong. Praying to Mary or the saints invokes strength and support whereas praying to a brick wall does nothing.

Quote: "Mary is a sex icon, why else."

That is highly offensive. I pray for your forgiveness.

Some people choose money as a god. Some people choose sex as a god. Some people choose power as a god. I choose God as God. I know He will never let me down or do me wrong.

In the end, the only thing is that we live in peace and love each other. This is not much to ask and can be done by anyone as we are all human and have love in us to give/receive.

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Just imagine, if Mary woulda put out, the whole story would be different...

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Forget all of this - let's change the subject. How about "Why are some actors / actresses called 'superstars'"?

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How does anyone KNOW that Mary wasn't just raped or had an affair? Back in those days in that situation, if she had have admitted it she would have been stoned to death. By saying she hadn't, it was a "miracle". Um I'm only asking that to provoke thought, I'm not disrespecting anybody's beliefs - lets say for the case of arguement Mary WAS telling the truth and it was a virgin birth. Why didn't more women use it as an excuse? Many more women nowadays claim to have gotten pregnant by touching a dirty toilet door handle than is actually physically possible....

I understand the Catholic point of view that Mary should be worshipped for 2 reasons, 1: she was the one that God chose, so she must have been special and 2: Motherhood is a sacred and precious thing, a selfless godlike act to propogate the species and continue life and "gods" plan. But from what I read of the bible, I'm 99% sure that it doesn't say anywhere in there that she should be worshipped, certainly not as much as she is in the roman cathloic church, she's mentionned more than Jesus in many prayers, hymns etc. Infact doesn't it say that you should only worship god (and therefore Jesus being the the human incarnation in the holy trinity)

Again I'd state that I have no religious bias at all, I'm just interested in how different religions appear and stem from the same base ideas and principals. (essentially 99% of "religions" work on the same aspects, just using different names and imagery for the same things, all boiling down to a belief in good and positive focusing of thoughts)


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Posted: 3rd Feb 2006 14:02 Edited at: 3rd Feb 2006 14:02
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HWT - Sorry I posted at the same time as you, I wasn't ignoring your post

"Why are some actors / actresses called 'superstars'"
Originally because they had more talent or gift in a particular area that could bring entertainment and happiness to people. Nowadays thats seriosuly blurred, and almost every celebrity boils down to the same formula - its very easy to become famous for doing very little nowadays, but more difficult to stay popular. We don't have any real "superstars" nowadays, even the hollywood A list don't have as much of an "awe" factor as Marilyn Monroe, Elvis oir the Rat Pack had back in their day. Of course, the only true stars worth "worshipping" are Tiffani Thiessen, and me (after my world famouse 30 seconds on PopIdol ) Having met many celebrities with my older job I can say with certainty that they are no better or worse than anyone else


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Since this thread has been allowed to continue, I will now post my thoughts on the current subject:

God is not a man, or anything remotely resembling a man. God is you, you are God, your keyboard is god, everything is God and God is everything. Some people personify God into having human-like qualities, but the truth is that the universe is God. You will probably strongly disagree with this idea, b/c you have been conditioned to do so. That is fine with me, whatever floats your boat. Just telling you like it is. Organised religion is a business, they are in business to get your money, don't fall for the hype that the money is for God's work. God doesn't need money. Modern christianity is a mind-numbing propaganda scheme crafted by government to train you into submission.

In short, God is real, but religion's conception of God is narrow and limited. You probably won't go to hell for having misconceptions about God, but you will have wished you knew the truth after you're dead, you could have led a much more fullfilling life on earth.

Someone is going to be very adament when responding to this post, that's expected. But keep in mind these are my beliefs, just as you have yours. That's why this subject is forbidden: it is a big chunk of flamebait waiting to happen, b/c everybody believes something a little different, and they are absolutly sure they are 101% right.

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im god

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Quote: "Forget all of this - let's change the subject. "


Isn't this the christian way, find your point contested, suddenly have to change the subject because YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. Etc.

@Sirfire, I'll reiterate my IRC praise- I'm laughing.

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"For more information on the truth, send your donations to 123 Main Street, Cashtown, CA 54321"
Nice finish, sheer class


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Quote: "God doesn't need money."

you are right, God doesn't need money, the people who are SICK, POOR, etc, DO.
and I, for one, donate 10% of my income GLADLY to my church, because i KNOW exactly what it's being used for. and I'm not being conned or anything. just LOOK at what the LDS church has done during natural disasters.

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Its fair enough to donate money to any organisation that will use it for the helping against mankinds struggles. I may not be a religious person but I would donate to the church if they used it for helping the sick/poor etc.

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Posted: 3rd Feb 2006 20:52 Edited at: 3rd Feb 2006 21:17
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my religion is benderism
and about the thing about premarital relations....
you wouldnt move into a house without examining the neighborhood would you?
you wouldnt buy a car without driving it would you?
hell, you probably would want to play a demo before buying a game right? so what's the difference, your just examining the goods

Quote: "you are right, God doesn't need money, the people who are SICK, POOR, etc, DO."

but IM sick and poor and etc. what about what I want and what I need?
hey! anybody every watch that show moral orel?

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Please, read the following VERY VERY carefully and don't be offended by what I say

Quote: "How does anyone KNOW that Mary wasn't just raped or had an affair? Back in those days in that situation, if she had have admitted it she would have been stoned to death. By saying she hadn't, it was a "miracle". "

If you wish to believe this, it is your choice. We do have freedom of choice you know. But my Church teaches me to respect the virginity of the blessed mother Mary. I choose to believe the good side not just of Mary but of many people and thus far, there have been no problems.

For example, let's say that the vending machine in the place you work/study purposely gives you Fanta instead of Pepsi or something like that. You could easily assume that the thing is broken. No? Or you could hatch up this elaborate coincidence that the guy in charge of the vending machine just happened to go on leave on the very day he knew that the vending machine wouldn't work so that you couldn't blame it on him. Or better yet, maybe he rigged the machine because you didn't do something right earlier. Maybe he's trying to poison you? All of these are possible. Which you choose to believe is your own affair - nobody else can be responsible for your choices. All I'm saying is that *I* take one side. The side that says Mary was a holy virgin who became pregnant by the power of the Holy Spirit. My soul is lifted on high when I just think about the great life of Mary and what a great example she should be to others. Alleluia!!!

Also, the world is just 1 world. In this small, tiny universe, our world is just one tiny insignificant one therefore I don't really care what happened in the past or what might happen. All I want (and I think this is good advice to those who say "my life sucks") is to complete my mission and return to my father who is in heaven. Amen?

I don't know how to state this clearly enough despite having tried every possible means: WE DO *NOT* *WORSHIP* MARY!!!!!!

We only pray to her to pray on our behalf. The whole version of Hail Mary is "Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen".
In this simple prayer that we pray, does is say anywhere that she is to be worshipped...? NO! All it says is the truth about her life. We just pray to her to pray for us sinners since we will need all the help we can get if we are to survive the evils of the flesh and this world.

True, we do tend to have a lot of prayers addressed to Mary but a prayer is just words compiled by some good person to address an issue. You can make up your own prayers too. You can easily ask for wisdom by praying "God, almighty creator of heaven and earth, I pray to thee for the gift of wisdom. Wisdom to see light when there is darkness, to understand thy holy word and to share in thy kingdom. I pray for the Holy Spirit to come down upon me and fill me with the ardour of wisdom. Teach me to understand true wisdom and do right and banish wrong in my life. I pray this pray through your blessed Son who's flesh and blood saved the world. Through the holy name of Jesus Christ Thy son who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit forever. Amen." It's that simple! And I just made that up right now, right here!! You must pray with your heart of course, if you are to really achieve the prayer.

I would very much like to continue this discussion if there are anymore points to question. However, this being a developer forum (and since I don't want a locked thread or something like that) please send your questions to my e-mail address.

Don't worry about anything you want to say or ask me if you e-mail - just say it. So please don't hesitate to contact me at helloworldtomorrow@yahoo.com

Peace be with you, friend.

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@ Benjamin

When you talk to a brick wall... nobody hears you.


@ Joel

Yup.


@ HWT

Where in The Bible does it say Mary has the power to crush the devil... it only talks about Jesus doing that.

We should pray for our mother... but not to her. Our mothers are just human... just like Mary. They have no Godly power at all... being able to give birth is not a Godly power. If giving birth makes a person high enough to pray to that means you can pray to all female animals that give birth too. Lets pray to Fluffly the cat and ask it for forgiveness of our sins... do you think that would work?

You don't think that Jesus is God? God the Father, Son, and holy spirit are all God. It scares me that even that is believed in the Catholic Church.

The main reason why you shouldn't pray to Mary or any other human (the saints) is because they have sinned at least once. Jesus is the only person that has ever lived as a human on this planet without sinning. Only through him are we to get forgivness... only through him are we to get into Heaven. Not though Mary, not through saints, not through your churches father (that too is wrong refering to an earthly man that is not your Dad as father... it replaces God the Father). You can't get forgiveness by saying "Hail Mary" 20 times. Only praying to Jesus.

I decided to add a little to "graven image". Back when people worshiped idols God of course didn't like it. The Catholic Church now makes literal shrines to Mary (and many people do in their homes) and they flock to people that say they saw the image of Mary in a wall, door, toast, whatever. This is part of Satans plan to again keep our eyes off God and worship these things instead of God.


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Quote: "God doesn't need money. Modern christianity is a mind-numbing propaganda scheme crafted by government to train you into submission.
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Hahahaha... which government? Our current governments or the ones that were around thousands of years ago when the verses in The Bible were written that state we have to tithe our money to the church?


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