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Chris Franklin
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look at the vids

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Quote: "also a lil more peeved my controller also felt more poorly built."


If you mean it broke quickly, join the club... I've so far gone through about five PS2 controllers. But even though they break after limited use, the design of them far surpasses that of any other console's controller I've ever seen, in my opinion anyway... it conforms to the hand better.


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Wow... I started a huge post!

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You stole Data's walking disc guy


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my vote goes to the rev.

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is the reason you need LED faceplates that show you which game you are playing because nearly every game on the 360 is samey?
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How can you say that the ps3 isnt even out yet and the reason is because it has bugs lol

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Yeah, but they're fixing their bugs, hence it not being out yet


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Quote: "the design of them far surpasses that of any other console's controller I've ever seen, in my opinion anyway... it conforms to the hand better."

that's a joke

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Quote: "[quote]the design of them far surpasses that of any other console's controller I've ever seen, in my opinion anyway... it conforms to the hand better."

that's a joke
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It actually does... its the most preferred controller out of the 3 core systems.
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Quote: "the design of them far surpasses that of any other console's controller I've ever seen, in my opinion anyway... it conforms to the hand better."
that's a joke
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It actually does... its the most preferred controller out of the 3 core systems."

that's a joke

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You already said that... and im not kidding, either.
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Quote: "If you mean it broke quickly, join the club... I've so far gone through about five PS2 controllers. But even though they break after limited use, the design of them far surpasses that of any other console's controller I've ever seen, in my opinion anyway... it conforms to the hand better."


Well there is that, broke it within a week of purchase... damn Tekken Tag! But I also ment that the plastic seems more flimsy, lighter on the whole and just kinda like a cheap knock-off of what it's hardware should be. Both of my brother's, one who owns a 2nd Gen UK PS2, and the other who has a PS2 slim both still have thier original controllers which feel high-quality. Just my 1st Gen JAP machine seemed to be horrible quality; same goes for alot of the other hardware that came out until recently for replacement.

While the controller for the most part is comfortable, it is a little on the small side for my hands. Find it causing them to cramp up, especially when I'm trying to hold a ciggy in my hand while showing my mates why the game is called KILLzone

Most comfortable controller I've used, without a doubt is the X-Box 360. Seriously, if you've not used one; I'd strongly suggest getting a-hold of one to test out. Over the past 3months I've been using it quite a bit due to my current projects, truely love using it. All of the buttons are in the right place, and it has basically identical button set-up to the PS2 Dual-Shock.. with the added bonus of it being just the right size for NORMAL HANDS! Not small Japanese hands or Sasquash sized Microsoft designer hands, normal hands. So far everyone I know who I've got to test it out have loved using it.

Sod the X-Box 360 for the moment, everyone should just get the controller (which is compatible with Windows XP/MC/Vista basically out of the box)

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How bad of a beating will I get if I say I thought the N64 controller was the most uncomfortable peice of dog$hit there ever was, and the big original xbox controller was pretty comfy?

And I don't even own Xbox, though I've owned a N64.

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i think the 360 controller is the best to date....very comfy, nice layout, not bad lookin, and its a reliable wireless with a healthy range

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Posted: 4th Mar 2006 17:51
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No, it's not. The PS1/ PS2 controller design is, in my opinion, the most comfortable out there. I think the worst controllers in the history of time would have to include:

1. The original XBox controller ("Duke" or whatever)
2. Atari Jaguar (so many buttons, so few fingers)
3. Sega Genesis (I always had cramps after an hour of playing)

I've tried the 360 controller and I don't find it comfortable. Then again, I hate the XBox and so naturally my bias made it uncomfortable


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Quote: "I've tried the 360 controller and I don't find it comfortable. Then again, I hate the XBox and so naturally my bias made it uncomfortable "


i think xbox has the MOST comfortable controllers ever made. it takes a lil to get used to it from a ps2 but once ur used to ir. its amazingly comfortable and u dont get any cramps after an hour of playing.


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Given a choice between the two, I would choose the PS3 simply because I would have to weigh the exclusives between the console (I mean, let's be frank...there's going to be at least several hundred identical ports between the two). In my mind, the Xbox 360 can only offer games like PGR (which GT beats the crap out of, IMO) and Halo, while the PS3 has some more interesting exclusives like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid (reason enough to buy a PS3 right there, IMO), and Killzone (which, if some flaws are fixed, will truly outshine Halo in every aspect).

Not that I don't like the 360 though. I got a chance to play some demos, and loved King Kong (CoD2 was okay, but not breathtaking). The T-Rex sequence was awesome, and some of the effects were very cool, too. I just don't see any killer games that justify the purchase right now (PDZ was possibly one, but Rare managed to make it mediocre instead of great).

Of course, I really could care less about the 360 or PS3...I'm much more excited about the Revolution, simply because it's going to be different, and not the same-old, same-old.

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Maybe all system manufacturers should go back to the tried and true rectangle controller that was the NES.
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The chances of the PS3 having alot of bugs are very small, the predecessors had very little bugs as well (if any). Sony is pioneering new technologies for the PS3, so it shows that they do care about the quality of the PS3.

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Quote: "The chances of the PS3 having alot of bugs are very small"


Quote: "Sony is pioneering new technologies for the PS3"


so.....you think new technology eliminates bugs? you got it backwards buddy, new technology causes bugs

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Right, but at least their fixing their bugs before releasing. I don't trust Microsoft. How many problems has/does XP had/have? Didn't TechTV declare it the buggiest OS ever? (I miss the REAL Screensavers... I hate the two goofy dorks they have on their now, they're NOT funny, although that show might not be on the air anymore because I don't watch it now)

I hope Sony's people aren't trying to "Dreamcast" the 360 If they were, it wouldn't work, I'd hate to admit


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TDP, thats not what I meant at all. Read the rest of my post.

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do you mean pioneering new technologies to prevent bugs?

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No, I mean fixing the bugs in their "pioneering" hardware/ software. Microsoft releases software and hardware expecting the average schmo to patch/ upgrade it, and contrary to popular belief, most people don't understand the how's and the why's (not everyone is a programmer or understands the workings of games, don't forget). It's silly. Most game companies that release stuff on the PC do the same thing. How many times have you downloaded a patch for a game? Every one of those could have been avoided if it weren't for the mainstream industries "crunch time" policies, and the two biggest offenders, in my opinion, are Microsoft and EA. Microsoft released the 360 with all sorts of problems and that's why a lot of people have ended up with broken consoles. Sony is being smarter and fixing the problems with the PS3 before they release. I think they learned their lesson with the problems that the PS2 had (although I've yet to experience them).

I'll bet a nickel to just about anyone that the PS3 is going to outsell and outperform the 360. That's probably because I love sony, but eh, sue me


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the industry watchers were wondering if the "average schmo" would be willing to spend $400 for a 360, i can noly imagine what theyll be saying with the cost of the ps3. and im not anti ps3, if i had the money id really really like o have one

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I really don't think it's going to be as expensive as people are making it out to be. Sony hasn't put an actual price on it to my knowledge and I'd hope they'd be smart enough to release it at the standard $400 starting price. Consoles usually start around $400, then go down to $349, then $249, then $199, then $149, then $99, then (bargain bin) $49... then e-bay for $15. Most consoles anyway. The people who break that trend (*cough cough* 3DO *cough cough* Turbo Graphix 16 *cough*) usually crash and burn.


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*blech* The PS2 controller has got to be the *worst* controller.

@Everyone - I find it incredibly hilarious those of you who say the only reason the PS3 isn't out yet is because they're "fixing the bugs". Do you have small memories? The first batch of PS2s were problem-ridden as well. DVD drives were malfunctioning and not playing movies, system overheating, etc.

And according to recent interviews, they still don't have a PS3 prototype that fits in the PS3 case, so there's still a *lot* of work to do before the PS3 is released.

I swear some of you put certain companies so high up on a pedestal that you forget all the times they've screwed consumers over.


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thatd be smart of them because the average consumer would be more likely to buy it, but theyd alos take an enormous loss on each console, has anone else noticed that the first blu-ray player is going to cost $999?

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That's a lie... Or then your hands must just be very small... Back at the time when I owned an PS2 I always ended up gettings cramps when playing, because they were so damn small... The xbox 360 has a perfect size, and I never get cramps with it! W00t!

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that's exactly why i said his statement must have been a joke

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Actually micrsoft has more game developers on their side now and final fantasy isnt a sony exclusive any more xbox360 is having final fantasy online. The xbox controllers have always been strong, more comftable and functional than anything else. It just takes a little bit of getting used to.

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Not entirely true, although they do have a crap load -more- support now, which is good.. i wouldnt say they have -more- support.

The creator of the final fantasy series seperated from Square-Enix and created his own company called Mistwalker studio's which will be creating games for the xbox 360, two of those games are Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey.


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Quote: "The first batch of PS2s were problem-ridden as well. DVD drives were malfunctioning and not playing movies, system overheating, etc."


Like I said, I have a first batch PS2 and I've had it since the day they came out, and shy of my controllers breaking a lot, I've never once had a problem. In fact, it reads my scratched up copy of "Die Hard" and our regular DVD player won't.

Quote: "That's a lie... Or then your hands must just be very small... "

First of all, how can someone's opinion be a lie? That's silly. Secondly, this forum is the first time I've EVER heard anyone complain about the PS2 controller. I know plenty of people who own both consoles and hate the XBox controller. One of my friends, who loves xbox but hates the controller, is trying to figure out a way to make a PS2-style controller for his 360 (which is impossible, I'm willing to bet, and he's sure to fail). I'm definitely not alone in this opinion!


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Quote: "Like I said, I have a first batch PS2 and I've had it since the day they came out, and shy of my controllers breaking a lot, I've never once had a problem. In fact, it reads my scratched up copy of "Die Hard" and our regular DVD player won't."


That is a moot point. Obviously not *everyone* had problems with their first batch PS2s, much like not *everyone* is having issues with the first batch 360s.

Quote: "Secondly, this forum is the first time I've EVER heard anyone complain about the PS2 controller."


Let's put it this way. I worked for two years as a game tester, so we had to play the 3 consoles for 15 hours+ a day. The GREAT majority of us preferred the Xbox S controllers to anything else. It depends on how long and how HARD you play.

The S controllers were much coveted. People were even bringing them from home because they didn't want to use the original Xbox controllers. And the PS2 controller's cheap analog stick's rubber was always wearing off!


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This is why I'm not buying a ps3. heh.

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I have to admit that the 360 controllers are much better than the original xbox controllers (they got rid of those damned black and white buttons) and their range is good for wireless, and I'd have to say I really do like the new 360s. I've also been a big fan of the ps2 controller (I got an adapter to use it for my PC as well), with my only qualm (besides the flimsyness of certain controllers) being that the left hand analog stick was too far inside and should have been replaced with the D-pad. However, looking upon the new ps3 controller, I'm not too sure how that one will fit my controlling needs, as it seems that the 360 controller will much better fit the hands than the new PS3 controller. Can't say till I've tried, though.
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As I've agreed countless times, the PS2 controllers were poorly manuafactured... but I'll stand by my claim that their far more ergonomically comfortable than any other controller out there. I used the xbox controller for about three hours while a friend forced me to sit through Halo 2 (one of the worst three hours in the gaming portion of my life, I should mention, for reasons I've stated a zillion times), and in my opinion the xbox has the worst controllers around. I think I hate it more than those silly "ergonomic" keyboards that are split down the center... silliness! Okay, I can't go that far. But I think it's ergonomic keyboards, Dave Matthews Band/ Yellowcard/ most modern music, and then the xbox controller on my list of my least favorite things. Sorry xbox fans, but I can't help it, the xbox console has nothing, absolutely nothing to offer me, and I don't like their controller in the least. It's not an attack on anyone here, everyone's entitled to their opinion... it's an attack on the chumps at Microsoft for what in my opinion is a job done bad. But hey, you're not paying for my opinion so you can't complain

My predictions for the PS3:
* They'll keep the goofy new controllers and make me extremely angry
* They'll release at $399.99 (to the cent, not including tax)
* It'll start out of the gate with extremely high sales numbers
* Microsoft will release Halo 3 at the same time hoping to divert sales... the tactic will fail
* They'll start charging for their online service like Microsoft does about a year after the console comes out

Also, I'm willing to bet that Microsoft is going to try and release a handheld to wage battle with the PSP... that, too, will fail.

If anyone disagrees with these predictions, I'm taking bets


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Matt Rock> About the handheld bit... Microsoft is waay ahead of your predictions. Have you heard about Origami? They new "handheld" from Microsoft? at least that's what people are calling it... It looks more like a tablet PC to me.

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Hmmm thats weird I think the xbox has everything over the playstation . More power, new technology,better games , most comfortable controller ever you must have tiny hands if the ps2 controller is comfortable for you geez its a tiny flimsy peice of
&%$# i mean you can barely press the buttons not very manly at all.

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The GameCube controller is perfection. Pure perfection.


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Personally i think that comparing the controllers is like comparing apples whit oranges, it's a question of personal taste.

In my opinion every controller are good and comfortable enought. None of them is "perfect" as i want things to be changed a bit on every type of controller.

If i had to pick a favourite then it would be the GC controller becuse it fits into my small hands well.

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Quote: "This is why I'm not buying a ps3. heh."

am i the only one that figured out that both the orignal xbox and the 360 BOTH have parental controls??? you can set to what rating games you want your children playing etc etc etc

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I like the Kempston Joystick best. Never been happy about pads. The problem is putting more buttons on a Kempston. There must be a way somehow.

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Quote: "Hmmm thats weird I think the xbox has everything over the playstation "


Except that (A) PS2 has a far bigger catalog of games, (B) You don't have to pay anything to play PS2 games online...

Quote: "better games"


You're joking, right? Besides the fact that Playstation gets the Grand Theft Auto games first (because the folks at Rockstar prefer the Playstation, and rumor has it the next GTA won't even release on the 360), we've got games like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Socom, God of War... How many xbox-exclusive titles can you think of that are as good? Halo? Fable? Everyone keeps saying this'll change soon and xbox will take the throne from Sony, but so far it hasn't happened yet and they haven't announced any games other than halo that pose a serious threat. I'll admit the xbox has better graphics... but that's it. And even then, I'll trade graphics for better gameplay anyday.


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I won't say that XboX is a bad system, but it is certainly not the best. I've found that all 3 systems have had their strong points as far as titles and playability, GC was the family fun machine and so lived up to that name, the PS2 had the unrivaled category of one player and realism games, and the XboX was good at first person shooters and sports games. Not to say a certain one didnt have a certain quality, but some were just better than others and therefore were more popular. However, this topic is more or less one of sheer opinion as the PS3 isn't even out yet, so this debate will never be settled or swayed one way or another.

and besides who would waste their time on a console PC for life
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Posted: 5th Mar 2006 18:47 Edited at: 5th Mar 2006 18:48
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Quote: "because the folks at Rockstar prefer the Playstation"


I wouldn't say that, although not the next GTA it is Rockstar.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/693/693369p1.html
IGN: Why an exclusive Xbox 360 game?

Sam Houser: The power of the new hardware and the higher resolution of new televisions really allow us to give the game an immediacy and physicality that wasn't possible on current-gen hardware. Rudimentary ball and racket physics would have been possible but we wanted to wait for the 360 because it allowed us to bring a completely different level of production and technology to the game

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Posted: 5th Mar 2006 19:19
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Quote: "am i the only one that figured out that both the orignal xbox and the 360 BOTH have parental controls??? you can set to what rating games you want your children playing etc etc etc"

i was only joking, hence the " " smiley...

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Posted: 5th Mar 2006 19:22
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