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FPSC Classic Work In Progress / Game Publishing

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Shadow Storm Interactive
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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 18:20 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 19:40
Hello there im just wanting to make a quick post just to say that if you have a really, really, really good game and you would like to sell it on then our company is the one for you!

"shadow Storm Interactive" specialises in 3D FPSC games so you could be in luck!

Contact us now via the website www.theultimateingames.com And we could start a long term partnership.

If you make games with darkbasics or FPSC then we will pay you a lump some for the royalities of your game and then 20% of the profit made on every sale of your game that we do.

If you have a demo and want people to try it then e-mail us and we will stick it on our server where people can download it instantly without having the queue

All you need to know is on the website however you can also directly email me: mj_terriers@hotmail.co.uk

www.theultimateingames.com

Thanks Very Musch
Max Johnson

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 19:12
So basicly we buy the games that you make off you and everyone we sell you get 10%

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 19:21
This should be in the Chat Forums,
GREAT idea though, but ONLY 10% when we are the ones whom did all the work?
But still GREAAAAAT idea, thank you VERY much for this opportunity, Shadow Storm Interactice-You will DEFINITELY see some of my games! hehe

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 19:22
BTW, Tom. How's your game going?

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 19:25
SOS? I lostthat unfortunately when I re-installed FPSC because it kept going really weird with things like floors and walls missing. I am trying my best to re-creat it, but it is not looking hopeful. So instead I am working on a new game. Sorry to tall those who were looking foward to SOS-I was rewally looking foward to it as well...

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 19:31
Hey there yes its only 10& ill tell you what tom for you and for nigezue 30% plus the fact that you will get a one off lump sum in the first place partners

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 19:41
@ Shadow : what do you offer me that I couldn't do from my own website? Where do you advertise, who do you speak to, etc....?

Also, there are a few spelling (and grammer) mistakes on your web site, if you correct those maybe I can take you a little more seriously. Add to that fact that you have no postal address on the web site, just a hotmail email address (very bad) and a mobile, make me think that you are not really a tax paying company.

I admire anyone who wants to make a stab at games creation and related activities, but you need to sort these things out before I will take you seriously.

Don't mean to offend, just that every 16 year old with a copy of FPSC says that they're a developer!

repeat after me, you are not a developer.
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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:00
Hi there I understand what you mean and i am not the main editor of the website however I will look into it straight away. We do not advertise it is a word of mouth company. You present us with a game, we take a look at that game, we then offer you a lump sum say £50 then ontop of that, ever sale we make you get %20 profit, what more can you want! I I shall have a run through now of spelling mistakes and I shall also ad our location which you are free to look at on "Google Earth"

Because we don’t advertise you will think we wont get any sales, but on many forums we state that we give 30mb free space for people just to upload demos instead of using fileplannet and so ...By using us, your potential customer, reviewer does not have to wait hours on end in a big queue to start download your game and the can download as soon as they click.

I am going to contradict my self slightly and next month indeed we shall be advertising for 2 weeks on Google.co.uk simply because it is a new company.

Im sorry I didn’t explain properly Jacko101 I hope this helps. Don’t hesitate to e-mail me if you require anything else.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:04
Thanks for that, although I personally won't be using you. I have a web site, I have server space for uploads and I can advertise on google.

Best of luck to you though.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:08 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 20:10
Ok thank you jacko101 maybe we can become partners one day ive been on the "Digital Steve website" which is where i think you are from because of your logo. Its a good site just a bit too basic

Plus the only thing is that you wont deffinalty earn money on your game yet you will with us because we buy the game in many respects off you

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:15
Yeah, I am digitalsteve. It's not a company, just a personal web site.

I've not even started to think about selling any games yet, that little game I made was just to see what I (and FPSC) could do, did you download it?

I'm more of a writer to be honest and I've got loads of ideas, as well as working on a screen play at the moment, but I've still got loads to learn on that too......

repeat after me, you are not a developer.
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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:23
30 megs? thats not a whole lot considering most single level demos will be atleast 25 megs (thats if they are stripped down)I have a 10 gig storage limit and a 400 gig band width per month allowance on my website and I do not charge people to use it if they have a game and want me to host I do it no matter what the size of the game is and I do it for free. Another note on top of that I fail to see how anyone who works on a game can except 50 pounds for their work. granted most people will never sell a large volume but thats not the point. your paying for their time and creativity. I hardly think 50 pounds is worth that. also 10% is a bit low in fact it's robbery. you take other indie game companies (garagegames.com) and they give you like 60 or 70% profit (I know I own three licenses through them) if a game is royalty free to begin with (meaning we can sell them and get 100% profit)why would I chose your company (as you call it) who gives me 10% royalties and then says to two users that they get 20% on an open forum? What is the risk your company is taking? what ever it is it's praportional to the risk taken by the game creator (who cares what level of skill they are)
I have been working ona level for well over 6 weeks now and there is no way I would sell the finished product (the game in it's entirety) to you for 50 pounds you had best add another 0 to the end of that 50 pounds at the minimum. I really do not care if this makes you mad. I am just tired of cons. and that is all it is.
And I feel that not only are you ripping people off your enjoying it as well.


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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:48 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 20:58
Hi there, I can tell that you’re out to try and offend me as much as you can.
The company policy has been reviewed around 30minutes before your post and we give 30% profit on every game. you state that £50 isn’t alot, well i can tell you mate that many, many people wont ever, ever, ever get £50 from an fpsc game. Then you also go on to say you charge them nothing as if I do? It clearly states that i do not charge for 30MB i don’t want to hear you constantly showing off about how much space you have bla bla, you’re moving away from the point and what this thread is about! You also state you wound not sell it for £50 that’s nice good for you, but let me tell you something an fpsc game, lagging alot, using up system requirements that the average pc cannot cope with is a flipping good deal! Then finally you top it off by calling me a con.

Everyone makes a living am i wrong? Everyone has the write to their own say am i wrong? Everyone has the opportunity in life to do and to go with things that they want to do and to go with and not to be under the influence of others am i write again? i think so. You are portraying my and my partners company in a bad way when you haven’t got your own facts write. Selfish or what

Maybe £50 and then every sale at %30 profit is not alot to you but to others it is, to under 18's out of work it is, to those unemployed it is and to those who make games for hobbies it is. Just to see your game being sold on a site for me would be enough i wouldn’t want the money, just knowing that my creation is availed to buy and that people are looking at it.

Please do not try and influence other people this is not a con, for some people it works for others it doesn’t. in your case it obviously wont do because your to big headed that no money in the land is good enough for you and your game. Fair enough,

I understand that a lot of hard effort goes in it is the same with me, but I read time after time of people saying they will release theirs for free and blab la bla so why bother company when our company is offering to buy them.

We pay a starting fee off around £20/25 we then give 30% profit so if something is priced at £8 you will earn your self £2.40 We pay the 18.5% Uk V.A.T fees, we pay for the advertising of our website to create a wider audience to buy your game. What more can you ask for?

So please rethink sir before you jump to conclusions and portray this thread and indeed the company in a negative way.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 20:56
Are you a UK LTD company?

Not being funny, but the more I read, the more I think it's just you and you are trying to be something that you are not. If you are a one man band, then that's fine, but don't try and convince us that you have 5-10 people working with / for you. Are they full-time staff by the way?

Oh and there are two ways to spell right and write. Please try and keep it professional if you are a company.

repeat after me, you are not a developer.
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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:04
When you were talking to me earlier we didnt really discuss the money that would be paid up front but now that I hear that you are only offering 50 pounds, thats chump change. I was thinking more like 3-4 hundred pounds. I know the quality of my game and it would not go for anything less.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:06
Hi there we funded earlier on in January so there are 4 of us that are joint owners we see to the running of the website well i dont Mick does that, we see to the running of everything basicly, we then have an advertiser who works parttime he posts in forums so there are 5 of us however we hire more when we need them, last week there was 7 of us in a meating. we are not a uk LTD company no but it still doesnt mean we cannot see and distribute games.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:08
i understand Nik can we talk on msn

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Conjured Entertainment
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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:24
Quote: "you will get a one off lump sum in the first place partners "

...Interesting...
Quote: "You present us with a game, we take a look at that game, we then offer you a lump sum say £50 then ontop of that, ever sale we make you get %20 profit, what more can you want!"


How much is £50 in US Dollars?
Can you pay it via PayPal?

I was thinking of partnering with other distributors.
I might try one game with you guys and see how it goes from there.
Try my demo , or game, and see what you think. (They're at my website - follow the link below)
The game should give you a feel of what I can do.
I am also creating original skyscapes now, which the game does not reflect.
My next release will be a Sci-Fi and I hope to do more in that Genre.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:26
Quote: "Then you also go on to say you charge them nothing as if I do? It clearly states that i do not charge for 30MB"


I'm not showing off by any means but am stating that giving someone 30 megs is like giving a dying man in the desert a cap full of water. (think about it and you may understand it)

Quote: "Everyone has the write to their own say am i wrong? Everyone has the opportunity in life to do and to go with things that they want to do and to go with and not to be under the influence of others am i write again? i think so. You are portraying my and my partners company in a bad way when you haven’t got your own facts write. Selfish or what"


I respond to your company the way it is presented. And you presented it very poorly. If you can not take the criticism then do not present your company in these forums. And I still think it's a shady deal.

Quote: "Maybe £50 and then every sale at %30 profit is not alot to you but to others it is, to under 18's out of work it is, to those unemployed it is and to those who make games for hobbies it is. Just to see your game being sold on a site for me would be enough i wouldn’t want the money, just knowing that my creation is availed to buy and that people are looking at it"


Your right 50 Pounds us alot of money if you don't have it to begin with, but those people are called children and live at home with their mom and dad (way to target the youngsters)Other wise they probably would not have FPSC.

Quote: "Please do not try and influence other people this is not a con, for some people it works for others it doesn’t. in your case it obviously wont do because your to big headed that no money in the land is good enough for you and your game. Fair enough"


Your right you can call it influence or you could call it being informative, which ever you prefer will work I guess. But the fact of the matter is your pissed because someone doesn't agree with your sales pitch and you do not like it. that's ok though. you don't have to like it but you should listen to it and maybe learn from it. open your eyes there is a way to do things other than your own.

Quote: "I understand that a lot of hard effort goes in it is the same with me, but I read time after time of people saying they will release theirs for free and blab la bla so why bother company when our company is offering to buy them."


There may be a reason they want it released for free. uhm maybe to give back to the community or perhaps to see if they are on the right track as far as creativity goes, but I could be wrong, though I doubt it. Where is the proof that you sell anything? where are the statistics? where is the lega proof that you area company?


Quote: "We pay a starting fee off around £20/25 we then give 30% profit so if something is priced at £8 you will earn your self £3. We pay the 18.5% Uk V.A.T fees, we pay for the advertising of our website to create a wider audience to buy your game. What more can you ask for?"


Ok providing that all of your games were made by someone in the UK there might be a VAT but 17.5%(I just checked via direct.gov.uk
Quote: "from direct.gov.uk--Businesses that may not charge VAT
Businesses with annual sales below £60,000 don’t have to register for (and therefore charge) VAT. If they don’t, the price you pay for their goods or services may be cheaper than if you bought the same goods or services from a VAT-registered supplier"
So I see you would use the VAT ticket jsut like ebayers use the postage scam. it's amazing!

What advertising are you doing in your first post you said it is a word of mouth company? interesting...where does all that money go for advertising? also I will state it again you present your company very poorly. In fact my friend you should get your facts straight before you post again on this matter.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:33
Hi there pal, your trying to show me up well done it was a commen mistake and it is 17.5 which is what i meant to say, being informative or tying to ammuse people one way or the other they are both bull. Listen please do not post here and cause trouble if you do not like my idea and my company. 30meg is fine for a demo but ohh yess you offer more your better at everything so lets mock "Shadown Storm Interactive" i havent got a problem with you but you must have one with me, if you want to talk more please add me on msn mj_terriers@hotmail.co.uk ands top clogging up this space thanks.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:33 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 21:39
Conjured Entertainment i shall get somone to e-mail you straight away and thank you for showing an interest. Also please could you post me your e-mail address or e-mail me @ mj_terriers@hotmail.co.uk as i can not find any contact details on your website. We shall test your demo and maybe get back to you tomorow thanks

With responce to
Quote: "How much is £50 in US Dollers"
the ansewer is $86.3 aprox that was taken just now from http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

Quote: "Do you accept paypal"
Yes we do we have their logos up all over our website and it is mentioned on the homepage should you care to take a look www.theultimateingames.com

Thanks

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 21:37 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 22:03
Your welcome.

As some might find it better to advertise their own games, others may need someone with webmaster skills.
Other still may just want to focus on the creating of their games instead of the marketing aspects.

To each his own, but I can see the need for this.
Good luck.


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Quote: "the ansewer is $86.3"

Then I agree with NIK. ( "you are only offering 50 pounds, thats chump change" )
The upfront money is what makes your proposal sincere.
Make it £ 100 then the 20% is sounding better.

2nd Edit
Email sent...awaiting reply.

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Conjured Entertainment, please forward me your e-mail

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Nope I will post everything I have to say here for all to read. But you still failed to answer a lot of questions. I have checked out your website and there is nothing there. There is no solid business plan to speak of. You also have only one game listed for sale on your site, which I do not believe generates over 60,000 Pounds in revenue per year. Therefore, I ask again, why are you charging VAT? In addition, I was not trying to show-off when I listed my storage and bandwith specs. I was merely trying to let you know that many users have these type of resources available to them and are therefore better off hosting the game themselves. So what do you offer the game developing hobbyist that they cannot already do for themself? I will end with this....If everything works out for you, great....

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That's QUITE ENOUGH! BOTH OF YOU! I am disgusted at what these forums have become! It's time to play nice, and if you all don't like it...
then I will go drink some coffee

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black or with cream and sugar?

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ok then how about this, i sale games for you off my website not buy them just sell them and the profit is split the owner of the game (you guys) would get 60% and us the sellers would get 40% sounds good

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 23:13 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 23:19
Dude,
You ask for my email, which I gave you explaining that I like the up front money as a show of sincerety.
Then, instead of emailing me back, you post here retracting your intial offer.

Okay, Reality Forgotten. I am convinced.

                                   

Now, it seems this is mearly a team request in disguise.

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hey conjured entertainment get your facts right i have e-mailed you pal

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 23:24 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 23:26
So it appears you did. It is there now.
I had not received it when I posted that message.
It seems there was a delay in the email servers. (imagine that)
You still retracted on the up front money in the email.

No upfront money = no deal .



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cream and sugar

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 23:41 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 23:41
Quote: "everyone we sell you get 10%"


Quote: "ever sale we make you get %20 profit"


Quote: "and we give 30% profit on every game"


Quote: "(you guys) would get 60%"


Sorry, just found this entertaining.

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Posted: 11th Mar 2006 23:43 Edited at: 11th Mar 2006 23:47
LOL that's 120 % total from every sale.

We'll be doing pretty good!


I still want my upfront money.

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Quoth the raven: Nevermore...

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Quote: "Quote: "everyone we sell you get 10%"


Quote: "ever sale we make you get %20 profit"


Quote: "and we give 30% profit on every game"


Quote: "(you guys) would get 60%"

Sorry, just found this entertaining."


Very entertaining indeed....

Shadow Storm Interactive, I think you better stick to finishing your game, Royal Regiment, and leave the publishing business to people who know what they're doing and get their figures right.

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Quote: " I think you better stick to finishing your game, Royal Regiment"


            (friendly advice)

That one game you have in progress (Royal Regiment) is going to upset you later.
Your frame rates will be horrible the way you have it designed.
One giant room with 30+ dynamic entities?
How many polys you plan on rendering whilst you call all those scripts each cycle?
Try breaking it into seperate rooms with a few hallways, and use less dynamic entities per ...area.

Good luck.

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Well I think this isnt worth it at all... because he only had 150 ppl visit.. and my site gets that much per day.. (or alot more) so there aint much advertising.. and you said we keep 10%???? what kind of rip off is that!

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uhm intuition is a great thing.

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lol well ill just stick my head back up my arse (Where it origninated) and thanks Conjured Entertainment for that word of advice, i shall deffinatly sort that our.

Quote: "Well I think this isnt worth it at all... because he only had 150 ppl visit.. and my site gets that much per day"
The site has only been open today and so far 224 people have been on matey.

Sorry everyone for wasting your time i wont do it again and hopefully no hard fealings "Reality Forgotten"

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lol and you also use the logo from freewebs....... and you got all these people from this thread.. not google.. not yahoo.. not nothing... so its not worth it

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That was funny to read.
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hes just tryin to help id trust him but first i need the whole save and load features before i get a hoster...

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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 08:26
bloodeath, read this thread iun its entirety before you say he is just trying to help.

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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 11:39
Quote: "ok then how about this, i sale games for you off my website not buy them just sell them and the profit is split the owner of the game (you guys) would get 60% and us the sellers would get 40% sounds good"


I can't believe you've just changed your entire business plan. I guess that's because you had no business plan and just wanted to make a bit of money. That's fine, but don't pretend otherwise.

As for the VAT thing, if you're not VAT registered then you cannot charge VAT and you must show your VAT number on all documentation including the web site, do you have one?

You are obviously just starting out and thought that this would be a good idea, bad news is, there are people around here that are wise to these things and are more professional than you probably thought.

One more thing that's really bugging me, from your web site "funded in early 2006".

Do you mean founded? Or do you really mean funded?

Anyway, I've had enough of this. To me, there are too may people with a copy of FPSC that start a web site and say "I'm a business now". Rubbish............

Let's hope you're better at making a game than selling yourself!

repeat after me, you are not a developer.
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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 13:10
ok well maybe it isnt worth it i made an honest mistake of trying to help out and i won't do it again!

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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 16:03
ok we'll leave it at that

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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 17:03
I have a deal for you all, give me your games, ill sell them, and keep 100% of all the profit for my self. Hows about that
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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 17:06
or higgins you could stop trying to be funny that would be my advice

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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 17:09
higgins chill, this has already been worked out man

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Posted: 12th Mar 2006 17:44
I still thing this thing is a RIP OFF.... no advertising on google, yahoo, or anything else....

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