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FPSC Classic Work In Progress / [LOCKED] Slaughter in Haditha

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lilgamz
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Posted: 28th May 2006 15:00
From the same people that brought you "Massacre at Mai Lai" comes "Slaughter in Haditha"

You are US Marine supposedly freeing the Irais, your mission is to murder every last woman and child of a village called "Haditha."

Be carefull though! If one of them lives she might tell the story of how her entire family was killed at the hands of the American crusaders. You could wind up Den Hague!(level 21)

You are armed only with an assault rifle, 15 catridges of ammo, 9 law rockets, 4 boxes of hand grenades, a .45 and a pick axe, you gotta stop all the breathing in your quadrant...this aint gonna be pretty
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Posted: 28th May 2006 15:12
Kill every woman and child? Harsh.

Do not post if you don't have something to show! Got it?

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Posted: 28th May 2006 15:21 Edited at: 28th May 2006 15:22
And what? You dont think FPSC model pack comes with enough women and children for such a game?

Because there would have to be alot. And of course, for an accurate depiction, they would have to be individuals.

But here is "Screaming Child Number 1"

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Posted: 28th May 2006 15:24
And here is "a woman in a burka". (very low poly).

it could also be used as a badminton birdy.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 15:32
I agree with Nigezu it sounds harsh but its your choice .

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Those models didn't look really good. Well, let's see...

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Posted: 28th May 2006 17:16
the child looked like a duck

Just google pallmanni and get the history of me!

http://whatishl.ytmnd.com/ so friggin funny!
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Posted: 28th May 2006 17:30
lol. that kid looked like he had an afro!!

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Posted: 28th May 2006 18:20
so here is our first slaughteree in game...

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Posted: 28th May 2006 18:34
It looks kinda wierd

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Posted: 28th May 2006 18:46
what is that? you need to make the face less sloped!

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Posted: 28th May 2006 18:57
gee there in the fog of battle it is hard to tell if this one is a woman or a child. No difference to the US marines however...Its all just a notch on the bayonnette for them.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 19:03
dude. seriously. it's an amorphous blob.

why not scale one of the premade characters by 50% so they're smaller, then texture them like a child?

I'd just like to say, the concept of this game is sickening. It is neither funny, nor (as you may think) political satire.

Put it this way, If I made a game where you played a muslim suicide bomber, who had to kill as many innocent westerners as possible, I'd get flamed into oblivion. So from that perspective, your game is effectively racist propaganda.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 19:06
I agree with butters.

and 1 thing:
THOSE MODELS ARE NOT GOOD!

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Posted: 28th May 2006 19:36 Edited at: 28th May 2006 19:37
Racist B@5t@rd!

Why is it always the iraqis? What have you got against them? "I know, i'll make a game where i express my racial prejudices by blowing the heads off some man-formed blobs and call them Iraqis!"

Is this meant to be a funny game?

I think you should listen to this (the whole way through)...

AE

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Posted: 28th May 2006 19:48
someone close this thread, it's um.... kinda 'sick 'n' twisted'
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Posted: 28th May 2006 19:59
Those models suck and you seem to have some personal issues about killing women and children. The Americans wouldnt kill women and children, only sick taliban bastards would.



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Posted: 28th May 2006 20:05
no its not a joke and its not satire, but really I didnt make this up.

of course the first thing they teach a marine is to FOLLOW ORDERS.

Why is this game any sicker than any other "shooter game"?

The Army uses these things to train their soldiers and even for recruitment.

They use these things to desensitise people so that they will do this in real life.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 20:10 Edited at: 28th May 2006 20:12
"Americans wouldnt kill women and children"


You need to run down to the cornershop and buy a paper.

Or you could google "Haditha."

Edit: better google "Murtha" and "Haditha"
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yes but in games such as Grand theft auto, (which itself was a highly controvertial title), the player can kill innocents in numerous ways, but that is rarely the way to progress.

what I'm saying is, slaying innocents in most games is frowned upon, and in the games where you can, it is usually something the player can do, but not essential to the mission.

In your game however, the whole objective is to kill women and children. That's different. It's like making Sim Rapist.

With regards to the military training thing, last year the US military spent 32million dollars having full spectrum warrior modded, but not so the marines could kill innocents. It was to train for squad tactics etc.

As with any war there are attrocities, and people will be killed, but ethnic cleansing on the scale your game (lamely) attempts to simulate would never be undertaken by a UN country. period. so don't try and justify it with your "simulator concept".

You should re-think your gameplay, because, as you can see from the responses, people don't want to play this. If you must base it on ethic cleansing, why not have the player play as an iraqi defending his village from insurgents, or an american hostage trying to escape from an extremist death camp.

to quote Joey Tribiani

"You've crossed the line, infact you're so far over the line... the line is a dot to you."

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Posted: 28th May 2006 20:28
Please I hope you change the theme of your game. Yes, innocents do die during war. But the U.S. marines do not target civilians. This is the difference between us and terrorists. Please do not create propaganda for anti USA terrorists. I am sure this is not what you intend but thats what it will become. I'm sure you are a good guy and don't want to make our soldiers look like murderers. They are not.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 20:38
those models looked quite funny. That woman reminds me of the ghosts in Pacman
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"don't want to make our soldiers look like murderers. They are not."

Right. They are just bringing a big helpfull dose of democracy to them.

But NOT bringing democracy to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE et.al....

Not murdering people. Well, not on the TV you probably watch anyway.

What do you suppose "Shock and Awe" was about? Probably means the same to you as any other advertising campaign.

Actually, I am hoping to sell this game to the pentagon for a trillion dollars. That way Cheney, Rumsfeld, Myers, And Bush can live out THEIR sick fantasies and hopefully they (and the american taxpayer)wont notice the difference.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 21:31
i gotta agree this is a totally sick idea
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Posted: 28th May 2006 21:41
What kind of person makes a game where you kill babies...?

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OMG this is sick and twisted tottally i agree with AE killin babie and innocent woman is sick and i agree with who ever it was about GTA well that is actually aposed to do that you are a gangsta but this a marine killin inoccent ppl not even i would do that and it is tottally rasist where is a MOD shut this post down quick plz befor it drives me mad

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i think it is a great idea, but the models blow, i mean come on, they gotta have just a little bit more detail, then it would be a great game

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Posted: 28th May 2006 21:49 Edited at: 28th May 2006 21:50
What kind of person would actually DO it?

I dont mean to make light of the attrococites committed last November (or yesterday).

Im just trying to draw attention to them as it seems to be pretty widely ignored in the US news. How that search for Jimmy Hoffa goin BTW?

This is not propaganda. Propaganda is when you say something that is not true. If you are telling the truth, your just...well,.. telling the truth.

Speaking of telling the truth, watch this video of the girl who had her entire family killed by US soldiers and only survived by playing dead.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m23573&hd=0&size=1&l=e
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@Spudling

Use full stop FFS! Dont you ever learn?

@lilgamz

This is the wierdest i have ever seen.

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Posted: 28th May 2006 22:02 Edited at: 28th May 2006 22:03
But you are not telling truth! Marines won't kill civilians intentionaly! Of course if civilians are rebelling against them (then they are insurgents). But if they are innocent, marines won't kill them!

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what the hell is this?! this is crude and evil killing babies?! thats mean and they look wierd.

so basicly...you shoot inasent people?

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If you could call those things people...

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Its one of those thing that shouldn't be made into entertainment, you understand? Out of pure respect for the one survivor i think this should be banned, blocked, locked etc.

Its like saying:
"I'm going to make a flight-sim game based in the taliban hide-outs where you train to fly aircraft and then, as a final finale, you have to fly into the twin towers on 9/11. There's a 2 player co-op option that allows you to bomb one tower while your friend flies into the other. Extra points for hitting the sweat-spot (The 80th floor)."

Sick, retarded and wrong. Don't tell me you're trying to be serious about this because if you were you'd have done more than given a shuttle-cock a crappy window-paint-made texture.

(not impressed)
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of course you would have a CHOICE of whether or not to follow the orders or not. Maybe there should be a option for fragging the superior officer as well...

Because "just following orders" isnt an excuse right?

The first the teach a marine is to follow orders. The second thing they teach is the chain of command.
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I hope Keith comes along soon to shut you up lolgamz.

Quote: "and a pick axe"


Iam just wondering, can we see an image of this pickaxe you have?



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i am not criticising your ideas, by all means everyone has their type of games, but why did you choose innocent woman and children as your enemy?

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I just want Keith to come and slap him.



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ok lets step back a couple thousand steps. Assuming this was actually made, and you were going to sell, what exactly would you say?

"Whats better than killing people? Killing
Quote: "every last woman and child!"


Do you know how fast you'd possibly be thrown in a mental hospital>?


Quote: "gee there in the fog of battle it is hard to tell if this one is a woman or a child. No difference to the US marines however...Its all just a notch on the bayonnette for them."
What fog? ur in a room.

Marines aren't sick bastards. they wouldnt kill innocent people.
I really dont like the concept of this game, and it doesn't make much sense to me.
Quote: "You are US Marine supposedly freeing the Irais, "

... Irais? I.R.A.Q.U.I.S.
Quote: "your mission is to murder every last woman and child of a village called "Haditha.""


Those contrast each other (im not sure if that made sense- lol)
and ill bet even Bush doesn't wanna see them die.


Sorry to flame (well not really), but we cant let this pass. you and your game have problems.
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Posted: 29th May 2006 03:51
this game is based by a person own idea you should not discourage the human mind, but I will only say this, why does it have to an american solider ? america may teach us soliders to ((follow orders)) but we are taught to save civilians not kill them, this is going to make other countries think were savages here in the U.S

DID YOU KNOW ? THAT THE BINARY LANGUAGE 01000110010100000101001101000011011100100110010101100001011101000110111101110010 STANDS FOR FPSCREATOR ?

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WTF.

If I get banned for this, I don't really care.

You are a worthless piece of trash. It's little worms like you that really make me question my oath to protect all the citizens of America. I can pretty much guaruntee that if I ever catch you in the real world, I'll 'escort' you to the nearest military installation; there you will be indoctrinated by a couple of soldiers/marines on what it really means to SERVE.

You had better pray to whatever God it is that you pray to, that we do not go to War with Iran (read Russia and China). Because if we do, I guaruntee there will be a draft enacted; largely do to the fact that little girls like you are to busy wetting your bed at night to join. I don't remember the Marine Corps, or the US Army declaring War on Iraq...no, I'm pretty sure the President and his cronies took care of that detail. You have NO idea of what really happened there, other than what the news wants you to know.

I remember being in a tent in the desert watching FOX News on satellite; they were standing somewhere in our base camp telling the world that we were under attack. I looked at the guy sitting next to me, and asked him if he thought we should run and hide because FOX says that we're under attack (sarcastically). Someone was clearing their weapon in a barrel (like you're supposed to do when entering any camp) and a round went off. Big deal.

I hear things like this all the time from people who don't know what they're talking about. Sure things like this happen in War, and it's sad and wrong. But until you know what it's like to ride around in a convoy nearly everyday through towns like Nasyria, never knowing if that lump of trash up ahead is a bomb or not, or if there's a sniper in one of those MANY windows in the town you're getting ready to pass through for the 100th time.....then you need to keep your mouth shut.

I heard the same people get all over the Marine who shot and killed a 'wounded' insurgent in a mosque. Everybody was wondering how an American Marine could shoot and kill an unarmed man. What no one on the news was pushing, was the fact that a friend of his was blown up just days prior by a booby trapped "wounded" insurgent; and the Marine himself had been shot in the face a day earlier. So yeah, I think he was a bit on edge.

You don't hear much about the the American Servicemember who are on their 3rd, 4th, or 5th tour in Iraq/Afghanistan. That'll start to wear on anybody, not to mention fraying the ends of sanity for the family left back home. I never hear much about the torture of our own people on the news at all...go figure. There are bodies of dead soldiers/marines arriving in the cargo hold of civilian airlines....that's not showing respect.

The U.S. Military does not declare War...if you want to blame somebody, blame your elected officials. I sincerley hope that in the unfortunate event of another terrorist attack.....that you are right in the middle of it.

-SGT. Keith Caldwell U.S. Army.


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Posted: 29th May 2006 07:15 Edited at: 29th May 2006 07:20
*claps*...Thank You Keith For Telling lilgamz The True Meaning...*claps*

-Now this little worm can get rid of this unorganized game .

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"I'll 'escort' you to the nearest military installation"

Will this be a registered flight? Or a secret flight? Will this a be regular rendition? or an extraordinary one? The problem with extended vacations in undisclosed locations is that I never know what to pack.

I hope the nearest military base wont be Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. Ive seen how they treat people there...





Thank you so much for protecting me 14,000 miles away from US borders SGT but there is no need to protect me. I can take care of myself.


If you are in the military then you swore to uphold the constituion, against ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. (my caps)

If so then you perjure yourself when you defend this administration.

(Perjury is a lie under oath)

Because this administration does NOT obey the law. Any law. Not the constitution, not the Bill of rights, not the Geneva conventions...

You see I do feel sorry for all those idiots serving 3 and 4 and 5 tours but you see they volunteered. And they keep volunteering.

It will all stop when and if they ever learn to disobey direct orders.

If that happens the cowardly lions will stop dropping those bombs, and manning those remote controlled sniper stations etc.

Then the war will end.

Iraq didnt attack the WTC and neither did Iran. The only people who believe that are ignorant, gullable, illiterate and /or just plain stupid.
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Nowhere in my post did I say the Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. I thought going into Iraq was a mistake, and I definately don't support President Bush (as I am no longer in, I do not take orders from any government entity anymore). I also don't remember defending this "administration".

It's pretty laughable that you obviously have no fear of reprisal communicating through a medium such as this. But that's OK, I understand that you're weak. People disobey direct orders all the time; if someone told me to kill an unarmed man women or child, I would disobey as well. I have a problem with someone lumping all servicemembers in with a few who may have crossed the line.

Quote: "Thank you so much for protecting me 14,000 miles away from US borders SGT but there is no need to protect me. I can take care of myself.
"

I seriously doubt that.

Quote: "...manning those remote controlled sniper stations etc."

Could you let me know where one of those is located? I think you're taking your video games a little too seriously.

Quote: "Iraq didnt attack the WTC and neither did Iran. The only people who believe that are ignorant, gullable, illiterate and /or just plain stupid."

I agree.


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Am I afraid of reprisal? From military nutcases?

Maybe.

How dare I exercise freedom of speech? How dare I imply that people (even soldiers) have free will and dont have to obey all orders.

Indeed, soldiers swear to DISOBEY illegal orders, which, in the case of this war, would be all of them.
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Dude lilgamz, you need to shut up. realy and in all fairness are you useing a computer in a mental isilum or something? becouse that is just sick. honestly who in there sain mind even thinks something like that? listen to what keith has to say. please just say its a joke wile you still can.

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can I get back to the concept of your game for a second?

As much as you're both vehement about your own opinions validity, you both seem to have missed the point.

Keith has the experience of war, Lilgamz has the opinion of a liberal-media educated civilian. You are unlikely to agree on this point... ever.

Before this became horribly political, it was basically about the fact that lilgamz was proposing to make a game where the objective was to murder innocent WOMEN and CHILDREN.

Frankly I don't care if the player is a US marine, a taliban terrorist, or a homosexual in a gimp suit, the fact is, the objective of your game was to kill innocents.

Aside from the fact that it is ethically and morally wrong, that'd just make a CRAP game.

Where's the fun in hunting through a village to kill people that pose no threat to you? It'd be like playing space invaders, but the invaders cant shoot back. Or pacman with no ghosts.

What I'm getting at, is Keith and LillGamz can argue ethics until they wear the letters off their keyboards, because politics and philosophy have no final answer. But video games have to be fun. and your game just wouldn't be.

-butters.

BTW. Nice anti-patriot stance keith - legend.

BTW2. thanks for causing such an interesting debate lilgamz.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 11:18
so its jus the killing of women and children that you find appalling?

Killing full grown adult males is ok? When do you people stop caring about iraqi males? adolescence?



Is the idea sick? You bet. But I didnt invent it. The story of Haditha is true.

Was it an isolated incidence? Only in that there is proof.

In the end there will be just two kinds of people: Those that think it is sick and want it to stop, and those that want it to carry on.

I think it is interesting that the ones that are opposed to the video game support the actual war.
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Posted: 29th May 2006 11:38
Ok Ok , But you do need to make the models better , its just like a cloth with a flat head sqiaushed in.

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lilgamz,
While we are on the subject why make him an American soldier.Why can't the soldier be from another country?Why go to Iraq?There are plenty of other countries on the face of the Earth.
I am not going to tell you how to make your game.I will tell you that the concept of your game makes me sick.
You are wrong about one thing for sure.I don't support the war or that clown President Bush but I do support the troops.They are dying so that people like you can talk your sick smack.
You give the word "liberal" a whole new meaning.
I personally hope you run into Keith one of these days so he can thank you for your support of the U.S. military.
In my opinion you are rude and disrespectful to all of the soldiers and innocent civilians who have died and continue to die in Iraq.
Hey,great timing,too...It's only Memorial Day weekend here in the United States.
I hope this thread gets deleted.I think I am gonna puke.

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Posted: 29th May 2006 12:41 Edited at: 29th May 2006 12:47
Quote: "Iraq didnt attack the WTC and neither did Iran. The only people who believe that are ignorant, gullable, illiterate and /or just plain stupid"


i believe it was the taliban wasent it just george bush jr blamed it on iraq because he after there oil

anyway thats according to faherhiet 911

anyway back on topic

dude the game sucks big time you aint doing your self any favour a us marine or british soldiers would not kill children unless that child was holding a ak47 and bearing down on the soldier even then most of them i think wouldent take the shot

the us marines and the british army are the best bunch of guys in the world i should know my brother was injured in iraq

get your facts right and come up with an orginal idea or get of these boards

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