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Geek Culture / Windows Vista demo is now available!

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 09:21 Edited at: 8th Jun 2006 09:30
[edit]This is actually a beta(2) forgot to include that[/edit]
It doesn't require a key but it expires on June 1, 2007

located here(3gb iso's) http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/beta2/en/x86/download.htm
also here http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx



If i had somehting more than dialup I would download it and try it...oh well

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 10:48
thanks for telling us but

Quote: "Thank you for your interest in Windows Vista Beta 2.

We are currently experiencing a high level of demand and cannot process your request at this time.

Please check back later for availability. We apologize for any inconvenience.
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as the download page now says, typical m$ that is; ofcourse there is going to be a high level of demand its a time for everyone to test it


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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 10:50
what, do they have all this off one server

they should have mirrors like sourceforge

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 11:31 Edited at: 8th Jun 2006 11:33
They always underestimate the number of people who want to access new things - most internet companies are the same...

I want it NOW

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 11:45
Why dont they provide bittorrent?
That would ensure that everyone gets it. It might even be faster. Bittorrent is great for legal large downloads, I always prefer them to mirrors if download is more than 50 meg.

OFFTOPIC:
Ubuntu Linux 6.06 was just released, I think I try it more likely than new windows. Could I even install new windows to slave HD second partition keeping my two other OS' and bootloader?

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 23:50
They seem to have a sort of system like that now in place - only 4 hours to go

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 23:57
yay exciting

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Posted: 8th Jun 2006 23:59
Indeed - I'll be installing it on a test machine tomorrow - need to see if my works program works, as well as Pevasive, DBPro and various other bits of software.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 01:20 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 01:23
You will need to grab an activation key, you need a microsoft passport for this.

Bittorrents.

32-bit Windows Vista Beta 2

http://isohunt.com/dl.php?id=11793203

Windows Vista x64 Beta 2

http://isohunt.com/dl.php?id=11717859

Make sure you have your virus checkers online and updated, bittorrent and bittorrent sites can carry viruses through their adverts and through the torrents itself sometimes.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 01:25
Isnt bittorent illegal?

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 01:30
not as far as i was aware, i was already downloading it before i popped onto the forums and hope to have it installed alongside my other os's sometime toorrow
can wait to give it a run and see how much my system slows up lol

i mean, since when was 1gig of ram a minimum requirement for an os. and i thought 256 for xp was a lot

AMD athlon 64 3000+, 1GB ddr400, 400GB total hdd, ati radeon x700pro 256mb (pci-e), onboard nvidea graphics (6100 chipset, sharing 128mb ram) 3x17" tft(@1280x1024).
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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 01:33
Filesharing isn't illegal in it's own right, it's the content which is illegal. Windows Vista 2 is a time limited demo, so completely legal to download, though you will need to sign up for an activation code.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 01:33
Bittorrent is only illegal if you use it to download illegal stuff.

I assume that the Vista Beta's are not illegal since they are being given out for free.


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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 01:37
4gb for the 64-bit and 2.07 for the 32-bit, it's pretty slow, but will speed up as more people join in, it's a new download.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 03:49
I have one word to this


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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 06:41
May I make an announcement to the public? You know how Microsoft took over 4 years to develop the almighty 3d desktop, with amazing transparancy, and many glitches?

Novell did it in much less time, and matches vista's features basically. It is called XGL.

A good usable example for non-linux users is:

http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=static060318-181203

SuSe Linux also comes with it.

http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/

Meh, the polish of Vista doesnt seem so great (especially with OSX and Linux already murdering it..)

Featuring 3d desktops, true transparency, and shadows, and multiple desktops in a 3d cube enviroment.

Wii rules.
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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 06:55
Quote: "Time-limited software
Windows Vista Beta 2 (and RC1) is time-limited, pre-release software that will expire on June 1, 2007.
Beta support policy"


That sucks. Though, I wonder why it still sets us up to get ready to download it.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 07:12 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 07:13
uhh... mabey it is 2006?

How long do you think it will be, if not already, that someone hacks the beta.


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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 07:35
Oh wow another M$ product >,> gotta love that... whats this a new OS or something?

Waste of a good DVD R is what I say

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 10:18
Hmmm. Could shove that on one of my test machines. Out of interest is it ok to multiboot it? Have several free drives, so no probs, but don't want to ditch the main OS. Or find out that even on a seperate drive it can destroy the other OS on the other drive. Then again surely there is a way to be 100% sure and turn off the main drive? (without going to hardware).

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 11:14 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 13:43
The installer says that the computer needs to be connected to the internet throughout the installation process - wonder if that will change ?
The product key is needed almost straight away...
Its looks very similiar to a Mac- the installer looks very nice. You now see the percentage of each stage done (no more 'time left' texts).
Now its on the first reboot - the boot screen (where you can select the OS is rather different).
Continuing to expand files...
Second reset
The 'Prepare to run' window now has a blue border on the top and bottom of the grey screen.
For some reason, the installation program detects the escape key, and pops up a message saying the installation cant be stopped
No progress on the 'complete installtion' section, unfortunately.
Third reboot
No logo on boot screen (just get moving grey bars)...
Get a nice black screen (takes a while for the desktop to come up)...
Using the default drivers that Vista installs, and it looks pretty awful, so now I'm going to get the nVidia Vista ones...
After its come up with another black screen - and reset the machine...

Theres no sidebar by default!! Woohoo!
IE7 is included...
Cant save things to the root of the C: drive...
Tooltips for programs along the task bar seem corrupt (wont know until the graphics drivers are installed though).
Program downloads are verified for something...

I cant install an XP graphics driver on Vista...

Multi-tasking isn't terribly good - CD access slows down the rest of the OS, for example...
Disk defragmenter has changed - you dont see what its doing now - just get an animation.
Copying files is more attractive now...
Background services have priority for some reason...
Changing swap file size, doesn't require a reset now.
Defrag is has finished...

Tried the 3 Clicks DBPro program, but that failed miserably. Whether its because of the lack of proper graphics or something, I dont know yet.

Why keep Notepad & Wordpad ? Should get rid of one or the other...

Activated the scandisk, installed a graphics driver I found, and now it cant find NTLDR (and thus wont boot). Have to boot from the DVD, select Load Option from the DVD and continue like that.

Scan disk is improved - visually anyway. You now have a percentage , and you see what blocks have been done, and how many there are.
There are now EA and reparse records...

The percentage value doesn't correspond to what it should be
You have no way of knowing how long Stage 4 & 5 will take (no percentage values, no animated display).

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 13:37 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 13:37
if you have a 64-bit PC, the 64-bit downloads are operating at:

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/beta2/en/x64/download.htm

I am getting a nice steady 126k download rate.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 13:46 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 14:53
Here are some pictures :


(Where's the place to tick the fact that you dont want to see the message again ?)


(My works set of programs - Pervasive 2000 doesn't currently work on Vista And trying to load a 5.3Mb program, using WinExec, which, whilst is fine in XP, wont work in Vista).


(This is what it looks like if you have no graphic drivers installed).

It was all going well, and then the test machine decide to give up the ghost - a faulty PSU...

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 23:18
Vista 64-bit beta 2, is very, very, very slow.

System spec:

CPU: AMD 64 2800+
RAM: 512Mb PC3200
HDD: UDMA 100
Graphics: nVidia FX5900

Took me 35 damn minutes to install Open Office 2.0.2 and another 22 minutes just to install nVidia drivers, and there was no speed increase because of it. The is a massive resource hog.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2006 23:26 Edited at: 9th Jun 2006 23:28
Not for me, it wasn't - 2Ghz 512Mb Dell Dimension computer. It was the 32-bit version though. I'm very impress with Vista - looking forward to getting it next year.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 01:21
rofl i'm getting my school to download it for me and put it on dvd rw so i can run it on my p3 667mhz with 256mb ram and an ati radeon 9250pro 128mb

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 01:35 Edited at: 10th Jun 2006 01:35
umm, good luck. The minimum spec is 800Mhz and 512Mb RAM with 40Gb free HDD space.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 12:35
Quote: "umm, good luck. The minimum spec is 800Mhz and 512Mb RAM with 40Gb free HDD space."


Well my pc runs hl2 fine in max settings soooo and i think you mean 4 gig

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 12:52
Quote: "Well my pc runs hl2 fine in max settings soooo and i think you mean 4 gig"


Whatever--- I find that *very* hard to believe. HL2 didn't run fine in max settings on my old AMD 1500+, so I highly doubt it will run that way on your 667Mhz machine.

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 13:31 Edited at: 10th Jun 2006 13:32
Quote: "
Whatever--- I find that *very* hard to believe. HL2 didn't run fine in max settings on my old AMD 1500+, so I highly doubt it will run that way on your 667Mhz machine."


Well not exactly max setting but still runs decent with high shader detail

Here's proof it runs here



Since then tho I've increased the texture detail a bit

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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 18:00
Im at 15%.


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does it work with microsoft virtual pc

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Quote: "does it work with microsoft virtual pc"

who knows, but i know vmware's workstation has experimental support for it - but don't expect to get and 3d graphics running - every virtual manchine software in existance hates 3d

as to downloading it, i'm at 97% so only about 5 minutes left, how i love my 2 meg connection


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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 20:37 Edited at: 10th Jun 2006 20:38
I love my 8 Meg connection, had downloads of between 267 - 487Kb/s (that's full KByte not KBit, I was downloading stuff off fileplanet at the same time, as well as updating my copy of Everquest II) I can't wait for my area to support ADSL 2+, 24Mb download rates in theory, more like 10 - 16 in practice I suspect.

I got Vista running at a reasonable rate. And please be aware that I am using the 64-bit version, the 32-bit runs faster even on my system. If you are running the 64-bit version set the windows theme to classic, it saves alot of time. The rest is just down to RAM I'm afraid.

Quote: "i think you mean 4 gig"


No I mean 40 gig. 4 gig to download, then burn from the CD, then install copies 4 Gig of files onto your hard drive which then expand to 15Gb making 19Gb, then another 5 Gb of space is eaten up due in the install process when it's configuring everything. The rest is virtual memory space, which is about 10Gb and backup of any data already on your PC so you can roll back.

DO NOT INSTALL VISTA ON A PARTITION WITH 2000 OR XP INSTALLED ON IT, IT WILL NOT DUEL BOOT. You MUST install Vista on a sepeate partition if you want a duel boot systems. And I HIGHLY recommend you get a duel boot, the hardware support of vista isn't that great yet.

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Does anyone know if there is a cd version avalible because i live in the stone ages and dont have a dvd rewriter.

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Will it work with these specs

1.5 ghz intel pentium 4
512 mb ram
40 gig hard disk
32 meg nvidia riva tnt m64
24 bit soundmax sound card

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DUEL BOOT... What, you expected them to fight to the death with only their boots as weapons?


sorry >_<


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Posted: 10th Jun 2006 21:53
@commodore kid-What type of cd drive?

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nope only dvd

right got vista running in vmware - man the graphics look crap; but i just wanted to say that windows has been heavily influenced by linux, the following screen is incredible like what ubuntu does when it needs root permissions


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Whats VMWARE???

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It's like Bochs or VirtualPC... It's a PC emulator.

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Where do you get it? Is it free?

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well I am absolutly in love with vista, dispite the 5 hr install time (took shorter to download the thing) but all these little features are amazing, i finaly feel like im in control of my pc... *goes back to chess*

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How fast is your internet connection? Mines at 95% and 1 hour left at a rate of 42kb/s.

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Quote: "Where do you get it? Is it free?"

No, its not.

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Quote: "@commodore kid-What type of cd drive?"

40x cdrw

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Whatever happend to beta1?

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beta 1 was released, but not to the public

and the linux type root permissions - cause i forgot you can't view bmp thru this



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Posted: 11th Jun 2006 15:46
I probaly overlooked soemthing in someones post earlier...but...why in all of the screenshots are the displays so....shrunken and discolored?

Snow Wars is making its return, check out the Game Design Theory board for more info...
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Quote: "and the linux type root permissions - cause i forgot you can't view bmp thru this"


So you have to click continue before you can enter your password and get on with whatever you are doing? Looks like vista will be worse than xp for adding mouseclicks to what should be simple tasks.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.

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