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BaZko
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Posted: 15th Jun 2006 02:13 Edited at: 19th Jun 2006 22:21
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Hey,

So I just came here to show off my cartoon portfolio, and also I am looking with someone to partner up in making something like a webcomic, animation or whatever. I work mostly in Flash.
Also, what do you guys think of webcomics? Better than printed ones? Just want other opinions on it too..

EDIT: Forced to take down first image .
Quickly drew a slave creature running away(took about 20 mins) It's
obviously a just started image, and not very clear. (he's climbing boulders btw) I think my other work was better....but...*cough*..somebody...jk..



Comments on it? Anyone interested?
(Webcmoics are awesome!!! No argument there

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Posted: 15th Jun 2006 02:34
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That looks great

Except why do fan art? You should be original and do your own characters/design.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2006 02:38 Edited at: 15th Jun 2006 02:39
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Thanks , only one of them is fan art, but I have tons of other characters designed .

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nice work mate, you should develop a series of characters performing actions and or in different clothes etc..
This can be your portfolio.

We just paid $"x" grand to an illustrator for a series of characters for a motorbike website kids section.

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Dude you are talented. Have any completed strips to show off?


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Thanks a lot guys . I really appreciate the nice comments. I'll try to post some more things up later.

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So where's the link?


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Posted: 15th Jun 2006 06:20 Edited at: 15th Jun 2006 06:20
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The link for what? I don't have my whole porfolio done, these are just 2 random things I posted , and offered anybody with exp. to work with me on a comic or something, and then asked for a discussion about web comics.

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Oh I apoligize...I was thinking you posted a link to your "Portfolio" (Didn't know that one image counted as a portfolio).

Well as far as crit and advice go, I don't see what everyone's getting excited about. After someone said " Dude you are talented" I got excited and started thinking we got a pro illustrator on the forums.

The penny-arcade fan-art is obviously a damn trace, and you don't have to be an artist to place the fanart and the original over each over in a 2d program to see that it's an extremly poor and rough trace.

The one on the left is...crap. The angle and proportion looks stupid, even for a webcomic type character. The lines are very rough and uneven, they look like they were made in Flash with a 2x brush tool. The hair is wacky, but not even close to convincing. It just looks like a poor attempt to modify Tycho and call it your own.

Seriously dude, keep working on it. I don't like how everyone in this thread has given only praise and no actual constructive feedback. Somebody out there needs to push you to keep working, or you might slip into that common hole where people think they're good, when indeed they suck and nobody tells them. And they wonder why they have trouble landing jobs!

Keep at it and don't quit!

I was utter crap when I started. Here's the first ever illustration I did about 6-7 months ago. Blegh...




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**Slightly** creepy that your first peice of work was a half-naked man...

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megaton, there is a point when you don't have to compare your work to others work. it only makes you look haughty and lowers peoples opinions of you.

usually people who try to put down others in this regard lack real skill and don't usually hold down any real creative talent.

if your critiquing after 6 -7 months of artwork, you have a long way to go.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2006 16:07 Edited at: 15th Jun 2006 16:13
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Don't see how I'm comparing my work to his. Just showing my own work when I started. (I am by no means a cartoonist, let alone a good cartoonist, let alone anyone who can even draw original characters)

If people really don't want an honest opinion, then I think they should clearly state that in their post. : /

"Please tell me how awsome my portfolio is. If you have something not awsome to say, take it somewhere else"

Sometimes I wonder how you're as successful as you say you are indi. If you were just any random guy, I wouldn't listen to you, but since you clearly have a good buisness going, I respect your opinions.


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Hehe LOL..

They look really cool .. keep it up

I have just started doing some vector work myself .
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Quote: "The penny-arcade fan-art is obviously a damn trace"

Uhh...if you took the time to look at differing line thicknesses, hair style, shading, highlights, sleeves shape,etc. and all those other diffrences, you probably wouldn't say so
edit: The one on the left isn't supposed to look like Tycho, and dosn't.....all he has the same is brown hair..

Quote: "The angle and proportion looks stupid, even for a webcomic type character"

Hmm...I seriously agree that the perspective is horrible, and am trying to look into this, thanks for the advice . As for the proportions....it's called a "comic" for a reason.

Quote: "Keep at it and don't quit!

Don't worry, I was utter crap when I started. Here's the first ever illustration I did about 6-7 months ago. Blegh..."


Thanks a lot for the encouragment, and yes, I also just started
BTW, the man has really akward muscles



Quote: "They look really cool .. keep it up
I have just started doing some vector work myself ."

Thanks and good luck!

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Well I'd have to agree with Megaton, his hair is really weird. The shading is well done, but his eyes seem to be too high up on his head. Also his head is shaped differently on one side than on the other. His neck also looks too big. I think it was supposed to be Tyco. It needs some work, but I think it's pretty good. But you really should think up something original.

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Thanks for the coments but...it wasn't supposed to be Tycho, I'll post up more original work later.

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Quote: "it wasn't supposed to be Tycho"
I think it does. But the comments are just for making cartoons in general. If you look at somones face, you'll see the eyes are in the middle verticaly.

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Quote: "I think it does."



Quote: "If you look at somones face, you'll see the eyes are in the middle verticaly."

Thanks, I'll try to work on that.

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sorry mega, didn't mean to bust your bubble, encouragement is a long lost art in 2006.

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Quote: "sorry mega, didn't mean to bust your bubble, encouragement is a long lost art in 2006."


How true

It's kind of hard to judge somebody's art skill over another. Unless your talent consists of stickmen, then the rest is entirely subjective. You both have fantastic vector talent, but it's not a competition

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No worries Jake, I don't expect programmers to understand art/design anyway.


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I think it would be very to cool to see an epic battle between Megaton's Muscle Man and BaZko's The Horn. You could work backwards, instead of doing it the old fashioned way of establishing a comic series then cooperating with other series on combined strips, you can do the cooperations then work backward until you finally reach each character's originn story. You could even reconnect them at these origin stores--make them separated siamese twins or something--to put the second slice of bread on top of a very tasty sandwich.

I'm really impressed by both of you, the ability to create visual art escaped my DNA and ran off to live with my Aunt.


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You guys have been smokin' some serious stuff that I have never heard of.


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Quote: "Except why do fan art?"


So when you post the image on the interwebs and some turd decides to thieve it and claim it as his/hers, all they steal is a fanart of someone else' work rather than your original design.

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Sometimes it's fun to do fan art, then you can make your own actions and whatnot.

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Quote: "Except why do fan art?"

Why learn Pong in DB if its already been made?

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I agree with... dammit one sec forgot the hotlink...



SOMEWHAT.

I agree perspective is kinda iffy, and your portfolio is not much more than just a po...... >,>

But after all you are still starting out. I am in no way a vector artist or claim to be mildy, but do know that if you want to start out and draw good comically you have to understand the basic rules of art today.

This is a Jonny Ree quote (sorry if i got it wrong jonny )

"To be a successful artist you must understand 3 things,

1. Perspective
2. Anatomy
3. The behaviour of light"

Then something about the force and the dark side .

No in all seriousness that is right on the money, no matter what kind of art, you must study that and simplify it in your case, or your characters will b in the same idle position and you shading will always be that "staple" style youve always known.

im not saying you have to draw a faceless fabio in a flinstone outfit but you should learn the methods and then once you have good groundwork (certainly not just the basics) you should then move on to pursue the style in which you wish to portray your characters and ideas.

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I think they both look great, except the guy on the left has some definate issues with his face. But could certainly do for an online comic or cartoon.

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Thanks for all the feedback! Yes, I'm trying to fix the perspective...I also just realised that his face looks smushed.

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Quote: "Uhh...if you took the time to look at differing line thicknesses, hair style, shading, highlights, sleeves shape,etc. and all those other diffrences, you probably wouldn't say so"


Sorry, I just need to do this:



I have placed it with the original Penny-Arcade strip. The shape, lineart, and even facial expression is exactly identical. You basically traced this out, period.

So instead of getting called on it, you get praise and marked as talented and I all the sudden become the snob who thinks he's better then everyone else.

I've shared the image with Jonny Ree, and he's confirmed it isn't yours.

Sorry if the above sounded plain evil, I just felt people should know. I'm not trying to get you to quit art forever!

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I don't see how that is a trace. Copy, maybe, but not a trace.

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Even though harsh I do agree with Megaton. The one to the right is a copy from a strip, nothing wrong with that.. however you should call it what it is. Doing a web-comic isnt a bad idea, its a great way to evolve, and to start walking a path towards your own style. You should start doing some basics though.. your current skill level seem to be very dependent on reference and lack the understanding of how characters actually are built. What I mean is if I gave you a random assignment to draw could you do it? As for your original character: it looks a bit flat because of how the shadows drop, also you might want to think about using a bit more highlight in that one because of how the light seems to hit the character, would help. Your fanart doesnt seem to have the same problem however, it has a round feel to it.

By starting you're good on your way, however I think you may have to change your attitude towards art as well as how you want to improve. Its quite important to get an understanding of what you draw to be able to draw anything. So start with your traditional art skills and pick up some books on the way.

So keep at it, and you'll get there.

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So instead of getting called on it, you get praise and marked as talented"

Ok....I said,it's not a trace ok? Is that the comic where Gabe doesn't understand Roman numerals? Thats the one I used as reference. If you spent the time looking you would really see all the diffrerences.

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Sorry if the above sounded plain evil, I just felt people should know. I'm not trying to get you to quit art forever!"

I'm not too much of an artist as much of a programmer so it wouldn't be much of a blow, but it would take a lot more than 2 people thinking that one of my fan art drawings is a trace to throw me off

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By starting you're good on your way, however I think you may have to change your attitude towards art as well as how you want to improve. Its quite important to get an understanding of what you draw to be able to draw anything. So start with your traditional art skills and pick up some books on the way.
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Thanks a lot for the advice , and I am working on my traditional art currently, I just picked up a bunch of books on it yesterday.
btw, Love you work!

Quote: "I don't see how that is a trace. Copy, maybe, but not a trace."

Thank you! Somebody! Yes copy, no trace.

Quote: "Your fanart doesnt seem to have the same problem however, it has a round feel to it."

Yes, looking at the original image helped me a lot.

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Quote: "Thats the one I used as reference. If you spent the time looking you would really see all the diffrerences."


That is an excellent peice of advice, so I took the time to notice the difference.

I cliped out the background in your image and placed it over the original. Please explain how you managed to use the original as reference yet your peice is the exact same dimensions and shape? Here you go:



Don't believe me?

1) Grab the fanpic.

2) Use the magic wand tool to get rid of the backgroud.

3) Drag fan pic over to Penny-Arcade strip.

4) What a coincidence, they're exactly the same.

Sorry, pushing this further is something I didn't want to do, but it's disapointing to see that you are still in denial and won't come forward.


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The nose is different, there's shading in Bazko's where there isn't in Penny Arcade's, the line under his eye is different, Bazko's left ear is weird looking, facial structure is different, and above all, the lines are not exactly the same, as they would be if it was a trace.

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Red = difference

Ok so...if you REALLY want to push it this far I will post up another image instead of the Penny-Arcade one, which I think actually looks better I'm just about to finish it.

Quote: "Sorry, pushing this further is something I didn't want to do, but it's disapointing to see that you are still in denial and won't come forward."

I'm glad we agree that it's pushed too far so I'll just take the image down and replace it with another one.

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So if I were to trace the Mona Lisa right now with crayon, and make the lines 0.5mm off the original shape, I can officially call it my own? Dorks.

Absolutely hilarious. You made me laugh so hard I got up, made myself a sandwhich, turned on some music and closed this sod thread.


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i think megaton is commenting on your very accurate shapes, your just pointing out your line styles which are noticebly thinner but still dont proove anything.

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Quote: "closed this sod thread."


And I hope it will stay that way for you...just forget the old images...and I know the new one sucks...but,hey, only in 20 minutes

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Right. What you mean to say is:

"I got caught by some cat after I tried to claim another person's work as my own character, I then persisted against it in a poor attempt to justify myself and to bend the truth, then realized that I was truly screwed, edited the original post and stuck up a completly different peice and tried to laugh off the entire embarrassing ordeal like it never happened."

Smooth dude. Smooth.


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Quote: "embarrassing ordeal like it never happened"

It's quite embarrasing to get flamed by a immature person in a random forum who has a fetish for cats, and never can turn off his annoying computer and get a social life

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It's quite embarrasing to get flamed by a immature person in a random forum who has a fetish for cats, and never can turn off his annoying computer and get a social life "


My friend, you are the very face of both hypcrisy and mediocrity. Calling me "immature" and then shooting yourself in the foot by taking a jab at my "social" life and "cat fetish".

Those are very good arguments, but I think you forgot to call me a dirty liberal, something about me being a dumb [insert religion of choice here], and a few more comments about how I have no life. You're urinating gasoline into your own fire dude.


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I feel the flames surrounding me You started the fire though.

Quote: "You're urinating gasoline into your own fire dude."


Can we just please stop this?

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I'd have to side with Bako on this one. His picture does have suttle differences in the shading and they seem like mistakes you would easily make when drawing a character from memory. Good job Bako, you convinced me. I like the new piccy, but it looks like he's falling and has no face, needs work, but isn't bad. As for the cat fetish thing, you just gave me an idea.

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Thanks

Quote: "mistakes you would easily make when drawing a character from memory"


I had a refernce picture also, since I was on the computer, I will not deny that.

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Quote: "As for the cat fetish thing, you just gave me an idea."


And here it is...


Yes, the cat is purple, and yes, it is in SNM getup.

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While we're on the topic, here's how I see it.

Even though a few of the lines are not *exactly* aligned, the shapes' dimensions, proportions and sizes are too exactly like the original to be done freehand with a guide.

My $0.02.


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I read alot of webcomics, and with some work on the first character (shading, thickness of lines, that very odd hair style) it would be great.

And Megaton, with this thread you have proven to be quite immature. You seem to be inept at excepting defeat, there is enough evidence to show differences between the two, and I think you should just get over it. It's not majorly effecting your life, is it? If it is then seek help.

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