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Are these two products every going back on sale?

In January TGC stated 'The Game Creators are pleased to announce that they are now the official owners of the Aliencodec brand and range of products, including Treemagik, PlantLife, the Vegetation Packs and Blitzgrass. Our first objective will be to upgrade all TGC customers who have purchased PlantLife and Treemagik to the latest releases. We will also bring the Aliencodec web site back on-line (as we now own the domain name) including the forums and on-line shop. This will happen in January 2006.
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Considering a moderator vetted this post before allowing it, you may as well answer the question.
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Are these two products ever going back on sale?

In January TGC stated \'The Game Creators are pleased to announce that they are now the official owners of the Aliencodec brand and range of products, including Treemagik, PlantLife, the Vegetation Packs and Blitzgrass. Our first objective will be to upgrade all TGC customers who have purchased PlantLife and Treemagik to the latest releases. We will also bring the Aliencodec web site back on-line (as we now own the domain name) including the forums and on-line shop. This will happen in January 2006.
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I wish I knew. I've been e-mailing TGC once a month, every month since November about it. It's certainly not their responsibility, except that they said that they would fill the orders. My last two e-mails have gone unanswered.


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As far as I know, TGC have the rights to BlitzGrass and BlitzTree - I'd rather there was a clear indication of whether these products are going to be made available either to purchase or as freeware.

This is no different than a third party buying Dark AI and Dark Physics from TGC then deciding they are not going to sell them or distribute them in any way.
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I use both TGC products and BRl products, and so was quite happy when TGC became the owners of Aliencodec because I had thought that this would ensure that AlienCodec's products would now have garenteed availability.
I assume that the delay in these products being in the market is simply that just a delay

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I don't think TGC have any intention to distribute BlitzGrass or BlitzTree - they are heavily coded in Blitz3D.

I'd like the products to become freeware (or to be sold again), so that the intended audience (Blitz users) can enjoy their products. What is the point in TGC obtaining products that they cannot sell to DB users and.

DB users have to understand that these 2 products started life as Blitz products (hence their name). TGC swallowed them up and, ever since, have not made them available.

I thing DB users can see that this is not the most ideal situation - hence my reference to a third party buying Dark AI and Dark Physics from TGC then deciding they are not going to sell them or distribute them in any way.
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there right to do that. "Check Mate"... mate...

well eventually anyways. Its there competition and wheether they bought it to stop it from eating away at their income or what have you its still obviously been done for a reason. I wouldn't suggest hoping they start selling it again with the capabilities to be imported into blitz basic...

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Sheesh, each post is less than 15 minutes apart. Take a break.

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Quote: "there right to do that. "Check Mate"... mate..."


Maybe, but not to advertise it in January. That's not good.

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puki,
Quote: "Considering a moderator vetted this post before allowing it, you may as well answer the question."


Calm down, would you?

As moderators, we have no affiliation with TGC as a comany other than moderating their forums (ie, making sure nothing gets out of hand in our day-to-day browsing).

I approved your post, but I don't have any idea about TGC's aquisition of AlienCodec, nor do I really care, so I was in no place to post information.

And, if TGC aquired the company, they have the right to do whatever they will with the products that were formally sold by them.
If I were them, and the products were detracting from sales of my own products, I would certainly take them out of the market... Or at least re-write them native to my own products (DBP) to bring in more customers!

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Well, they should certainly fill the orders. Once again not because they made them, but simply because they said that they would. I've been waiting since November. I think I've been pretty patient, but I'm certainly not happy about it.


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Oh, of course...

But, that's a matter for Rick to handle

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Ah, the mysterious Rick (or is it Rich?). Isn't he the guy that doesn't answer emails?

Quote: "'If I were them, and the products were detracting from sales of my own products, I would certainly take them out of the market... Or at least re-write them native to my own products (DBP) to bring in more customers!'"



If this were true then it probably won't fill DB users with pride - in fact, it may have the opposite effect.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.
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Quote: "Ah, the mysterious Rick (or is it Rich?). Isn't he the guy that doesn't answer emails?"


Rich isn't so mysterious, he's around here on the forums somewhere.

As for answering emails, you can imagine how he can recieve many emails a day and still be expected to do his job, replies are bound to be really slow, which suggests the idea of customer services. The same for other companies, it took a day for Garage Games to reply, a week once for Maxon (Maxon have an awesome customer service, gotta love that Perry Stacy, but it can take time) And I've only ever email Rich once and it took a few days for the reply, just have some patience to it.

However as for the products I think it should be essential that these orders are filled or refunded, then do whatever needs to be done with the products, use it to augment their sales or crush whatever competition they had into the dirt.

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Quote: "Isn't he the guy that doesn't answer emails?"

Depends if you email with at the same frequency that you post in this thread. You asked your question, wait for someone from TGC to respond.

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We are talking many months here - not a few days. Apparantly, I am not alone in this.
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Quote: ""'If I were them, and the products were detracting from sales of my own products, I would certainly take them out of the market... Or at least re-write them native to my own products (DBP) to bring in more customers!'""

Quote: ""..or crush whatever competition they had into the dirt""


Right off, these products belong to TGC, so by selling them they would not be taking sales from their competition, they would be taking sales from themselves.

It could be argued that by removing these products which are for use be BRL users rather than TGC user, could aid sales of TGC products. I have infact argued this on BRL's site. But I was wrong.

The reason that I was worng, is that these products "Appear" to be on sale. They are still mentioned in BRL and aliencodes and on google as existing. Its only when a potential customer has already decided to buy the compitition that it then appears that they are not for sale. But even worse than that they are NOT for sale because TGC who sell one of the other languages that you (Undobtedly) looked at, has bought and removed them from sale

This can do nothing but create animosity. It has been sudjested that BlitzTree and BlitzGrass be given away as shareware, but I cannot see the point of that. TGC have a buy/download system fully functioning, and it would not be "That" difficult simply to create one page, with two pay links

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I'm by no means a good businessman

Just giving my 2c on how I'd see it... I'd have to outweigh the potential sales (which they could pretty accuratly predict from aliencodec's figures) to Blitz (our competition) with taking it off the market and giving the users one more reason to sway toward my own (Plant Life, etc)...

And, Rick & Rich are different people.
Rick is TGC's Commercial Director (Big Boss)
Rich, however, is the website design/forum God/support(ish) guy.

Oh, and like most people, if Rich opens his emails, find about 10 new messages from the one person, he'll most likely just black list the address and ignore it.

On the other hand, if there's a clear, well-written message sitting in the Support System, then it is bound to be answered in a professional, well-timed mannor

Puki,
I'm sure you're not the only one... It seems that AlienCodec had quite a few customers (all of which would be put out by this take-over), so everyone's in the same boat.

For me, I'd probably pull my order and wait till it's back in full commercial glory, or go for an alternative (no doubt there's a free alternative that can do you while you wait?)

Remember that TGC is quite a large company, with only a few, hard working main-men. This take-over is probably having quite a toll on them as well as the customers. Let them sort it out on their own time, and I'm sure everyone will be happier if the time spent is on getting it done than answering support emails

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Please forgive my spelling in my post above. I've gotten so used to posting and editing that I had forgoten I dont have "Edit Rights" yet

Quote: "Me know how to write good me does"


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Why wait when TGC can simply hand over the products they have no intention of selling?


My question remains:

BlitzTree and BlitzGrass - where are they?
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Quote: "Considering a moderator vetted this post before allowing it, you may as well answer the question."


We don't 'vet' - new users or users who have been naughty are put on automatic pre-mod. It disappears after a while.

Quote: "Isn't he the guy that doesn't answer emails?"


I have dealt with him personally for a while and he always responds quickly. Once his email went down for a few days, but that's all I can remember.

As for your original question - the only people who know the plan are TGC and until they speak nothing else can taken as gospel. So please, give them a chance, and stop with the loaded statements about TGC, a company I have the highest respect for. I am very sure they would want to continue the products in some form.

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Ah, I have to apologise for the second and third posts - they were not intentional.

My second one was a message to the moderators - I didn't know it would be posted. My third one was my attempt to edit my first post - the fifth word was mis-spelt and I tried to edit my post, but it went back through your 'vetting system'.
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Puki,

Let me tell you something.

I know you are new and you just signed up with an account here.
The entire thing is to talk to rick@thegamecreators.com.

There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way.
The mods here are not a part of TGC. They are user mods that do their work to help out the forums.

Rich is the web guy and rick is the business guy. Rick is the one you want to talk to. If you can't get ahold of him you could try Lee and see if he responds and he will make sure rick finds your email. (lee@thegamecreators.com), he is a programmer, but he will get you where you need to be if Rick is not around.

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Unless Lee himself is lost, and then we are all doomed If you have paid for product, and waited months, and not got your product, and it was me, I would be raising a stink. It does not sound like our policy to do this, so send me your order email (lee@thegamecreators.com) and I will chase it for you. At the very least get you a refund as I do not think we are ready to release the BlitzGrass and BlitzTree products yet (only Master Rich will know). If I have misunderstood the thread, and you are simply waiting months for BG and BT news, the bottom line is that the new aliencodec site is just so good, Rich just kept on going

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Quote: "If I have misunderstood the thread, and you are simply waiting months for BG and BT news..."


Hi.

Well, in fact, it is the case that I am waiting on news. Hurry up and get the products back on sale - it's the law. Lots of people on this site are rich and want to start buying.

Sell, sell, sell.

ps - don't forget to sell the Blitz versions of BlitzTree and BlitzGrass.

Next week should be fine.

Feel free to email me a free copy of BlitzGrass - I'll help promote them for you - I got contacts.

Right, I'm off.
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@Lee,
Thanks for the Info.

Being a "mainly" BRL poster, the main bone of contention, as far as I can see, had been the total lack of news about these products. (Whilst I appreciate that maybe everyone who "Parks" here it up to date on the state of them, this was not the case at BRL's forum)

Honestly, the whole problem has been customers who want them. Either people who have already got one of the above, or people (Like myself), who have other utilities that "Mesh" with these products

As a customer here, I have experienced both fantastic and "abysmal" responses from support. ("Abysmal" is normally just explained by a lost email somewhere) And I can see how "abysmal" support could be seen as snubbing - specially when you think you are Visiting "Enemy" territory

I realise that most users of your site don't care what happens to BlitzTree or BlitzGrass, and that very few people who do care will visit here very often. But its mostly news that we wanted. (Well that's not true, we wanted them to be given away free, but no one really expected that)

Now the contention that we should just sit and wait for a reply from support and not post here, whilst sensible, just wasn't working. I have no doubt that some people "Snowed" support and Rich and Rick, and then were ignored. But other people who I know do not work like that also reported that they too were getting no joy. It was decided therefore to simply post and request. (I wanted to sue under European Anti-Trust Laws, but apparently they don't exist)

The thing is it really could be quite easy for TGC, just to make these products disappear. Something that they may not have decided to do at the moment, but could change their minds about quite easily. Where-as it would also be quite easy to setup a single (Temp), page with two pay links.

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I find myself (a dbp fanboy) agreeing with HandK - why should blitzers have to sit around and *wonder*, why not just put the link up with a download page? It can't take that much effort


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Quote: "Unless Lee himself is lost, and then we are all doomed If you have paid for product, and waited months, and not got your product, and it was me, I would be raising a stink. It does not sound like our policy to do this, so send me your order email (lee@thegamecreators.com) and I will chase it for you. At the very least get you a refund as I do not think we are ready to release the BlitzGrass and BlitzTree products yet (only Master Rich will know). If I have misunderstood the thread, and you are simply waiting months for BG and BT news, the bottom line is that the new aliencodec site is just so good, Rich just kept on going "


I've been pursuring this issue, like I said, since November 2005. I've sent my reciepts several times. Now, I don't really want to raise a stink, because it's not like you guys ripped me off. It's just that you guys said you'd make it right, and I feel like my e-mailed requests for help have simply been ignored. My first several e-mails, I got a reply much like the one above. My last two, I believe, generated no reply.

I've bought a lot of stuff from TGC, and TGC is always on point. My problems have systematically occurred when I purchase a non TGC product that you guys advertise. Synergy, Landscape Creator, Plant Life, minor issues with NGC. And not to mention that Quikly fiasco (which I gladly didn't buy). Indie software application developers just suck. That judgement doesn't apply to indie game developers, btw.



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Quote: "Hurry up and get the products back on sale - it's the law."


It is?

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Cash - I have just emailed you BlitzGrass and BlitzTree.

Quote: "The reason that I was worng, is that these products "Appear" to be on sale."


If you dig around in a Google cache, perhaps. But they have not been available from the AC web site for over 7 months now. No 3rd party should still be selling them either.

TGC has never sold a single copy of BlitzTree or BlitzGrass to anyone. The only issue here that could exist is if someone bought it from Aliencodec directly (before we acquired them) and then never got sent it. I personally dealt with loads of people who were in this situation early on this year, and sent out scores of zip files, keys, etc (even though we had absolutely no obligation to do so). I haven't received an email about AC products for months, not until yesterday anyway! (which I replied to)

We will bring the AC site back on-line when we are ready, but there are much much more important things going on here right now I'm afraid, so it's a very low priority.

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You're awesome, Rich. I just sent you an e-mail about it from my gmail (cash.curtis@gmail.com), as I'm currently locked out of my military domain.

Thanks!!


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Quote: ""The reason that I was worng, is that these products "Appear" to be on sale.""


I wasnt implying anything by this, other than when you do a "search" for the products, a lot pages exist, and they dont say "This Isnt for sale". They probably are all catched

This has no bearing on your stance, and is in no way TGC fault its just the way it is. The point I was trying to make, was that you wouldnt actualy Know until you had already gotton the product that uses them. (I dont think you would know about them either way until after you had bought the above product). Then you would be told the situation, and (as it seems wrongly) blame TCG

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Quote: "I dont think you would know about them either way until after you had bought the above product"


Sorry, what I meant was I cannot see how anyone could buy BlitzTree or BlitzGrass, even by mistake, those parts of the Aliencodec site simply don't exist any more (I took them down months ago). There is no official route to buying these products at the moment, and to my knowledge no 3rd parties selling them either. So even if they did see a cached page, and clicked the link, it would 404 on them.

I dunno about you, but I'd never put my paypal details into a Google cache page!

If you do know of somewhere where they are on sale then PLEASE tell me, and I'll get it sorted.

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Oh my Lord! I just realized what happened. I thought this thread was about PlantLife from Aliencodec. I have no idea what this BlitzWeed junk is. Blitz Basic can bite my colossal metal ass. TGC can kill that stuff off for all I care.

Sorry Rich. I appreciate the e-mail. Here's the stuff I'm in the market for.



Sorry about that!




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Wait a minute - he just got those for free.

How about emailing me BlitzGrass plus any update to BlitzTree which is over v1.42 (I have v1.42 already)?

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Richard.

Lets be quite clear about this. I am stating that non availability of BlitzTree and BlitzGrass, (That is specifically, the even though TGC own them, and do not advertise them, and do not sell them), is not Obvious to potential buyers of DBP or B3D.

Most potential buyers would not even know of them. And the only way the could know, would be to "Search" the web/forums to find which products are available for each language. When they do this, both BlitzTree and BlitzGrass, "Appear" to exist.

If they then subsequently buy B3D, they are informed by BRL forum (They don't even need to ask specifically about BlitzGrass or BlitzTree, they have acquired a sort of "grail" mystique), that TGC own these products, but you cannot buy them.

I used this example to show how continued withholding of BG and BT, is first detrimental to relations within the indie programming community, and second not a way to harm the opposition.

Both of your posts have, it seems to me. Specifically targeted this argument as unsound.

Why is this? Is this because it wont increase animosity? Or because it IS a sound business way to harm the opposition

I am impressed with the speed at which you have responded here to the question of outstanding orders, which I imagine you had not been aware of until just now, having delt well to this issue originaly.(Edit: And I now see that was a mistake cashes part. - Always pays to refresh before post)

On the other hand, I find all your answers leading to the concussion that.

1) You are NOT going to say you are withholding or Not Selling these products
2) You are NOT going to sell them in the foreseeable future

If you did the first one, then Google would show, (I imagine), that these products are not for sale. If you did the second one, (Even just on a temp page with two pay links), people could buy them

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Quote: "On the other hand, I find all your answers leading to the concussion that."


Your post/s were worded as such that I assumed you were implying that these products are on sale (somewhere) and not being delivered. That was the only point I wished to address. 'Appears to have existed at one point in time' vs 'actually on sale' are two different things imho.

I know full well that we own them, and are not selling them at this moment in time. But I'm curious as to why you ignored the following part of my previous message, which I feel sums everything up as much as we need to:

"We will bring the AC site back on-line when we are ready, but there are much much more important things going on here right now I'm afraid, so it's a very low priority."

It's not just about throwing some PayPal links up on a web page, we have to process the orders, handle support and handle more payments than just PP (most of our customers prefer to use WorldPay). As I've said, they will come back when we're ready for them to, but right now we're focused on DBPro.

The 'rumours' that we bought them to kill them off, are just that. We bought them to sell them. Just not yet.

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HandK,

But, why would an indie developer buy one of these two languages JUST to buy these programms?
That doesn't really make sense...

And besides, there's lots of alternatives... I'm sure anyone can get by without it, no?

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@Jess,
I am specifically trying to show that The 'rumours' that TGC bought them to kill them off, are just that, and have make no business sense. And so it seems strange that you should attack this defence

@Richard,

I do realise that this is just a small part of a "secondary" department (Or however you have the office organised), and that it has a low priority.

However, it must be obvious to you that the longer these products are not on sale, the less chance they will every be on sale.

If is does take an inordinately long time for the new AlienCodec page to be finished, surly you can see how a utility for a language that only uses DX7 is going to be of very little value?

When this stage happens, I can see how it could then be quite easy for you to drop these products

I do believe it will be harmful to your reputation as a company when people "perceive" that this was your intention all along, even when, as you say, it is not

On the flip side of the coin.
Could you not specifically go out of your way to help your competitors customers? You could pull all the stops out, setup a "Not Temp" page, with two (or four), pay links. Publish this fact in the Newsletter, and leave all your customers with a smug proud feeling?

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HandK,

*Shrug* Like I said, I'm not a businessman... I call it as I see it

At any rate, don't take what I say as anything to do with TGC's views - I've got nothing to do with them besides moderating the forum for breaches of the AUP. So all this is just my personal opinion!

Each to their own.

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Quote: "Wait a minute - he just got those for free."


Nope, it was a mistake. I have no use for them whatsoever, and have simply deleted them. The last thing I want to do is rob TGC of anything - by supporting them financially they are able to continue making great products specific to what I like doing.

This whole incident is unique and regrettable. It wasn't even TGCs fault at all. I feel like Aliencodec ripped TGC off my generating a ton of sales right when they sold the rights to their software to TGC, and didn't even bother to fill the orders. That's pretty crooked. TGC is the only standard of trustworthiness here.

You must understand the priority of the Aliencodec products. Their profit potential is very low compared to some other projects they have going on right now - DarkPhysics, DarkLight, and recently DarkAI. They'll definitely get to them, because they said they would. TGC has always done what they say they'll do, they simply have to follow their business plan in order to maximize their results.


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Jess, I know its none of our business really, but I gave a quick anwser to your post, Rather then pointing out, that I didnt say

Quote: "But, why would an indie developer buy one of these two languages JUST to buy these programms?"


that an Indie programmer would buy one of these two languages just to buy these program?
I was pointing out that the availability for sale of them, had no bearing at all, on which language you would buy. So withholding them from sale made no sence. Richard has comfirmed that it makes no sence as well, and that the intention is to re-realease them for sale

Now the contention that I ignored the second part of Richards post, specificaly

Quote: "We will bring the AC site back on-line when we are ready, but there are much much more important things going on here right now I'm afraid, so it's a very low priority."


I did not Ignore this, I paraphreased it to
Quote: "2) You are NOT going to sell them in the foreseeable future"


Which carries exactly the same meaning

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Quote: "So withholding them from sale made no sence."


Sorry, my fault! I got your meaning completely back-to-front.
Not to worry, I understand what you mean now, and I agree with you

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Ok - the Aliencodec site is back on-line (well, a sparkly new TGC version of it is) and yes, both BlitzGrass and BlitzTree are on sale.

http://www.aliencodec.com

All fully integrated with TGC, so purchases appear in your Order History, etc.

We have updated all of the products on sale. They are brand new EXEs built from the latest versions of the source that Ronnie gave us, wrapped up with new more friendly installers. Plant Life also now comes with the entire Booster Pack free, built into it. All of the prices have been reduced as well.

BlitzGrass and BlitzTree have been updated to the latest releases, with the latest documentation wrapped into the zip files as well.

Anyone who bought Plant Life or TreeMagik G2 from TGC can upgrade free of charge (G2 owners upgrade to G3 for free). Just go into your Order History and download the new versions, this offer will not expire.

So that, as they say, is a wrap. The products currently on the site are the only Aliencodec products we will ever sell, so please don't ask for any 'old' ones, they are dead and buried.

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@Rich,
, Thank you for your swift resolution.

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Ooooo.... G3.

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That looks nice Rich.


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Quote: "We have updated all of the products on sale. They are brand new EXEs built from the latest versions of the source that Ronnie gave us."


Any idea what version these are? I have the full version of BlitzTree - the 60 tree version - with the BlitzTree 1.42 update. Is the version you are now selling different to this one?

Also, I just had a quick look at the site. With regard to BlitzTree - you have put the BlitzGrass licensing at the base of the page:

Quote: "Blitzgrass3D may be used in private or commercial projects.
Blitzgrass3D may not be shared or used in 'open-source' projects.
Blitzgrass3D may not be included into projects that sell source code.
Blitzgrass3D may not be altered then sold as a seperate product.
By purchasing you agree to the above terms and take sole responsibility thereof."


Probably best to amend that - best double check the licence that you supply with the BlitzTree download doesn't refer to BlitzGrass.
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