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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 10:41 Edited at: 19th Jul 2006 10:31
Has anyone else had one of these? They bloody hurt dont they! Here is a pic of mine...

I've changed this to a link because it just makes me sick and I think it's a bit harsh on unsuspecting browsers. Sorry! - David

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/xt/xt_apollo_download.php?i=943033

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 10:53
Thanks for that.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 10:56 Edited at: 17th Jul 2006 10:58
I had the same thing before. I went to a doctor and he did something that fixed it. I think he took out the cells that generate the toe nail from the sides of the toe or something so it now it doesn't grow into the sides of my toe.
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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 10:57
Nothin like a little puss and blood before the sleepin...

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 11:01
thats *^%$#@ sick!

I had one before and well what lower logic said
but mine wasn't that bad!

the worst part about it is the numbing shot, hurts extremely

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 11:09
Nasty size my fries.

Only one thing left to do--- amputation.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 11:13
I have a thunderbug that has crawled inside the panel of my LCD and died in the middle of my screen. It looks like I have 2 dead pixels, but actually its one dead thunderbug. That's a hell of a lot worse than an agonising ingrowing toenail.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 12:20
Van B has an interesting video to show you guys if you'r einto that kind of thing though =)


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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 12:42 Edited at: 17th Jul 2006 12:46
I had two (both big toes) for around 3/4 years. When one nail was digging right through my toe, I decided to go to a specialist, and had both toe nails removed. Nice chap - he was Canadian, with a Peruvian wife. He sounds like Agent Smith - complete with some of the same mannerism, which was slightly unnerving to start with.

This was a second one (the first was originally done by the hospital, with a warning that it might come back). And unfortunately it did. I had the original one (which was just the left big toe), for around the same time.

I didn't find it terribly painful - only when the side of the toe was hit, really.

It should be noted that doctors wont help (they'll just want you to pad the sides with cotton wool - which does hurt - and see how it goes). Which, to be honest, it both a complete waste of time for you and the doctor.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 12:46
Quote: "Thanks for that."

I agree, can someone get me a bucket I think I am going to vomit

*Five minutes an two full buckets later*
That is disgusting, worried about your toe I click to enter an BAM right in my face theis big toe! Yuck! Nothing personal agaist your toe but do you have to do it that close!
Brother had one like that, couldn't move for five days!
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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 12:47 Edited at: 17th Jul 2006 12:47
Aww, damn... That's gross

I actually get ingrown fingernails, but nothing as bad as that (I pull it out before it gets too bad, but it usually ends up infected all the same!)

A mate of mine at Uni got his toe fixed... It STANK so bad
Anytime I went into his dorm-room, it was all I could do not to vomit!

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 12:48 Edited at: 17th Jul 2006 12:59
Yes, the pus does make it rather smelly, especially on socks.

I recommend a foot specialist (forgotten the medical name unfortunately) - its expensive, and slightly painful after the procedure (once the anasthetic has worn off), but 100% effective, but only if the nail is made to not grow back.

What happens (in laymens terms), is the whole nail is prised off and the sides and back of the toe are coverted with a rather potent chemical (to stop the nail growing), and is then bandaged. Regular checks will probably need to be made every week or so - apparently there is a very slight chance that the nail will grow back even with the chemical added - fortunately it didn't with me.

It will mean you wont be able to get the foot wet for around a month or two.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 13:19
Quote: "I had the same thing before. I went to a doctor and he did something that fixed it. I think he took out the cells that generate the toe nail from the sides of the toe or something so it now it doesn't grow into the sides of my toe. "


They did mine like that twice and they still grow back. It costs me about $240 US each time plus what my insurance pays. I just started cutting my own out. I modified some tools specifically for this. The shots do hurt like hell, but the ones my doctor used lasted for like ever. I have a high tolerance to all numbing shots, so they have to use like 3 times as much on me. I went back to work both times afterwards. Being an industrial maintenence technician I get to sit down alot

If you go have your's cut out, bring a pair of sandals that fit around your heel and over the top of your foot. Cut out any straps that are near your big toe. You can walk with these if you lift your toes up while walking or cut the part of the sole out that is under your toes if they are thick enough. They tell you to bring an old pair of shoes so they can cut the end off, but it hurts really bad when trying to put on regular shoes. I learned this the hard way.

You will have to soak it in warm salt water pretty regularly as well to kill the infection/ keep an infection from starting.

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I can't think what that video might be maybe my thumb trick. You guys are lucky nobodies ever filmed my inverted leg trick - handy in a skiing accident, but difficult to watch .

Luckily, they'll fix that right up, a couple of injections into the bed of the toe (think bamboo sticks), then they slice the nail off and put some nasty crud on the top, so the nail won't grow again.

Lovely way to skip a day off work I must say, it's up there with getting a wisdom tooth pulled, which I just got 2 hours ago and am waiting on the 'happy' times when the jags wear off and the real pain starts. Ach, best do some coding before my head explodes.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 14:01
Well I just got back from the doctors and wasn't expecting anywhere near this reponse!

Have to say, I could have spent that time more productively... like maybe lying face down in a bucket of damp sand. 90 minutes waiting, 2 minute consultation and I got the advice to cut the nail straight at the end (which, as you can see, is gonna be quite hard due to the lack of nail) and I got a prescription for some penicillin - a doctors answer for everything!

I'm pretty sure my body is coping with the infection just fine (be gratefull I didn't post a photo of it from the other night... MUCH more gooey). Was kind of hoping for some hint from him on how I can actually get to and from work everyday without making it worse.

My commute involves going to a station, probably standing on a train for about 40 minutes - unless its a friday when I'll probably get a seat - and then I have a 30 minute walk from Cannon Street Station to work (Clerkenwell in London). Then I have to do that again in reverse on the way home. 1 hour of walking and over an hour on a train is not good for a bad foot!

I have, however, found an old pair of sandals I stopped wearing because they slightly hurt my heel. Right now I'd gladly take minor pain in my heel if it will allow me the use of my foot!

Cheers for some of the suggestions guys - its funny how a Geek Culture forum is more usefull than the British NHS. You've also made me realise that maybe having it removed is not the easy way out. Its funny - I was one of the first into my local Walk In Clinic and I seemed to be one of the last to get seen. I would have though they'd work on a FIFO type basis rather than a FILO (Yes I know I'm a geek by comparing a clinic queuing system to a queue and stack)...

@VanB: My girlfriend had her wisdom teeth removed - although they didn't come out cleanly. One broken during removal and ended up having to be dug out over the period of an hour. Suffice to say she was in pain once the drugs wore off.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 14:14 Edited at: 17th Jul 2006 14:16
Quote: "Have to say, I could have spent that time more productively..."

I did say!

Quote: "You've also made me realise that maybe having it removed is not the easy way out"

Your probably going to do what I did a few times, then - remove the nail myself
Having it completely removed is really the easy way to solve the problem - its just a trifle expensive...

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 14:51
Well I've never had this problem before and I'm fairly sure that its my work shoes I had to wear to a conference (I normally get to wear trainers to work) which caused the problem. See - they hate my feet. They want them to die slowly and painfully. Usually they eat my heels, but that time they concentrated their efforts of my toe and removed a chunk of skin. I think thats where the infection got in. Then it just buggered the nail.

How did you remove it yourself without losing conciousness - or are you one of these wierd people who would happily prod a limb hanging off while giggling like a young girl high on ribena?

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I just tended dig under the nail at the corner at then snip (or pull it off) - the only problem with that is that it grows back - but it alleviates the pressure for a week or so (although that was the only benefit - nothing got healed)... But it is incrediably painful...

I'm quite happy to watch whilst nice gory things are done - it was quite interesting watching my toe nails being removed and then bits of wood being stuck in the sides...

If it is your sures, get the next size up to help relieve any pessure - and then visit a podiatrist (remembered the name now)..

If you lived near me, I would have recommended my one, but you dont, so I wont... However, it did cost £15 to start with (and the cost went down slightly as everything started to heal). It took around 2/3 months for 1 toe (and then another 2/3 months for the other) - unfortunately both couldn't be done at the same time (in case I rejected the chemicals). Vists were weekly for bandage change and whatnot.

I'll have to post a piccy of my two nailless toes

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 15:29
Quote: "the worst part about it is the numbing shot, hurts extremely"


When I had my toe nails sorted and they gave me the injections to numb my toes, I sat there and asked for more.


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Quote: "How did you remove it yourself without losing conciousness"


It's all about how you hold the toe while cutting. Pain can be re-routed and even ignored if you apply enough pressure in the correct location upstream of the nervs causing the pain.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 16:32
I don't think I am going to read anymore of this! Its enough to make me faint!


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@LiT: I'm interesting... go on!

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Posted: 17th Jul 2006 18:34
I have 2 of these right now - although neither are as bad as yours.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Nice...I have an ingrowing toenail, but jeez a least its a clean one that doesn't have any puss what-so-ever, lets hope mine gets nothing like that, I've had it a few years and nothing has changed much, so I doubt it.

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I had one last summer that looked exactly like that. Not a pleasant thing to have at all.

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Dear God! As if there is nothing better to talk about...

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I would just like everyone to know that I was eating a sandwich when I looked at this thread.


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Paper assassin, you're own fault for opening a thread entitled 'ingrowing toenail' whilst eating a sandwich, it like opening a thread entitled 'whats that in my puke' whilst eating pie.

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Musashi's right. Man, I caught mine early...er...never had one...

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I know...That was stupid...I had to throw it out, and I spent so much time making that sandwich!


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You should see some of the picture Wikipedia has about in-growing toenails...

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Quote: "Dear God! As if there is nothing better to talk about..."

... says the person replying to the thread about ingrowing toe nails. hehe

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I had a two week 24/7 IV...one toenail removed twice, the other toenail removed a week ago, and had a fun operation in which the doc cut away the heaped up skin on the sides of the toenail, with a cauterizing cutting thing. Burning flesh is disgusting smelling.


Be glad I have no pics right after THAT operation. It was literally a bloody mess.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 10:25
My brother went for an operation, he took his CD player (No iPod!). No pain cause of the Anethestic (Spelling!) in fact the only thing he felt was a kind of pulling... He also heard a little snipping!
I haven't had one! The only thing I had was an infected toe! It wad there for four weeks! But after careful self implyied treatment I got rid of it!


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Posted: 18th Jul 2006 13:36
Quote: "I have 2 of these right now - although neither are as bad as yours."


Go ahead and remove/have them removed now before it gets infected and/or sore. The shots are 4 times stronger and last longer when no infection is present.

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As far as removing them it is quite easy. You will need the following things (I got mine from wal-mart a couple years back):

2 small pair of side cutter pliers (appx 3" in length)
1 file (standard mill bastard file 6" or so)
1 pair toe nail clippers
2 hands (yes it hurts really bad when not using 1 hand to cut and one to block the pain)

Take the file and file the outside edges of one of the side cutters (is around 1/2" thick now), so thet it is only about 3/16" from the cutting edge to the outside at the widest point (flatten the outsides so it goes under the nail easier).

You should now have:

1 small pair of side cutter pliers (unmodified)
1 small pair of side cutter pliers (filed down)
1 file
1 pair toe nail clippers
2 hands

WARNING ONCE YOU DECIDE TO DO THE FOLLOWING MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAN ENOUGH TO FINISH IT. ALSO REMEMBER THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS WORKS FOR ME, I WORK ON MACHINES FOR A LIVING AND NOT PEOPLE. IF IT IS TOO PAINFUL AND YOU WUSS OUT ... I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE.

Take the index finger and thumb of the nun-cutting hand and apply alot of pressure to the toe you are operating on. Apply the pressure on the section of the toe between the 2 joints of your toe (you may need to move closer to the joint near the nail). Apply pressure with your thumb on the top side and your index finger on the bottom side at a 22 or -22 deg angle appx, depending on which side of the toenail is ingrowing. Take the toenail clippers and cut the nail as straight accross and as far back as you can. Now take the side cutters (either pair should work though the filed down ones hurt less) and cut the tip of the nail that is ingrowing at a 45 deg angle at about a 1/4" by 1/4" triangle to remove the nail in the skin that is causing most of the pain. Now soak your foot in warm to hot water for about 10-15 mins. Now the hard/more painful part. You have to work with the cut down side cutters to cut the nail as straight back and as far back as you can. However do not try to cut the nail too far away from the skin edge or you won't be able to cut it all out. Try to cut it just a tad more than it would normall be next to the skin edge. If you don't get it all cut out, make sure you get enough so it is not cutting into the skin anywhere or applying alot of pressure on the skin anymore. In 2 or 3 days it will not be as sore and you can go back and cut a bit more to help it not grow back as fast. Also note that even though it is good to cut your nail straight accross, it will not stop it from growing back. I have found that the best thing to do it to not cut your toenails any more than you just have to and wear shoes that give you appx 1/2 clearance from tip to your toes. And keep your laces tight to keep your foot to the back of the shoe. I haven't had an ingrown toenail in about 2 years doing this. I used to get them about every 9-12 months, even with the doctor removing them.

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DIY surgery. You can find practically anything you want on these forums.


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So very true

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Hehe, had a couple of home surgeries myself. Thing is, as brutal as it sounds, it's always worth it - the relief you get from getting the thing out of your flesh is worth the 5 mins of pain alone. Really, anyone had someone stamp on their ingrowing toenail?, that would drop anyone - it's that sickly pain that wipes you right out.

Whether you go and pay money to get it sliced off permanently, get a chiropodist to fix it, or do it yourself - deal with it ASAP, it's the sort of thing that likes to hang around, dealing with it quickly will limit the damage. Consider that when you have to remove it, you don't want a big nasty wound for it to grow right back into again, you want the infection to clear up and the wound to heal by the time the nail get's as far as that in growth. Never just dig out the ingrowing toenail, you won't get it all, you'll just make it worse and maybe end up making it a repeating problem. My brother used to home-fix all the time, until he kept snagging his sock on it - didn't realise it was actually the toenail growing down and out the opposide side of his toe!.

One tip I would add to anyone considering home-fixing. Have a real long hot bath first, the dry scabby skin around the toenail will be a pain otherwise - let it soak, dry properly, then removing the excess scabbies and leaving a smaller 'lumb' will make your job easier and more pleasant. Antiseptic cream should be applied too, and the toe dressed - remember to try to reduce the chance of infection whenever you can, that includes boiling your 'tools' before hand. It's your feet dudes, look after them, you only get 1 pair!.

It's a bit easier in Britain, our health system means most people will never have to pay for foot care - we pay for meds and dental, but things like chiropody are part of the NHS, so we'd just get referred from our doctor and have to go see a chiropodist or nurse to get it taken off permanently. I'm always for the permanent approach, but that's probably due to the 6 years of unpleasantness before it .

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Its like an unwanted Aunt - get rid of the unpleasantness as quickly as possible.

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Quote: "so we'd just get referred from our doctor"

So much easier said that done! (maybe my doctor just doesn't care?!)

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Unfortunately its an area they dont/wont/cant cover - and thus they tend to leave it to a specialist.

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I a hamburger perhaps?


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Interesting - care to elaborate... or maybe convert it into something that makes sense?

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This is what one of my toes looks like now (several years after the operation to totally remove the nail) - unfortunately its a trifle lo-res, but you'll get the idea.



The white part is the remains of what remains of whats under the nail (cant remember what its called now).

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Oooo nice toe! Seriously - even after "several years" your body hasn't replaced the nail?

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Nope, which is good - 'cos its not supposed to. There is a slight possibility that it does grow back in some form or other for some people, but not me...

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Yeah, there's a strip at the top of your nail, where it grows from that they kill basically, I imagine that some folks would get some gnarly deformed nail action, but me neither. I have to say my toe does look like it has a nail from a distance, hard to explain but basically mine looks better .

The worst is the first month after getting it done, you have to be incredibly carefull that it's not banged or stood upon, otherwise your in for a world of hurt.

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Quote: "basically mine looks better"

Oh really ? Lets see yours then!

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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 14:02
NO!

Once you have a picture of my wretched toe you'll own my soul, can't let that happen!.

There's no point really, because it's just the same as that, only my toe is longer, and the hole that the nail left is bigger - just looks more normal from a distance because the hole is more toenail shaped .

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Posted: 19th Jul 2006 14:07
Quote: "you'll own my soul, can't let that happen"

Yes... Yes, you can...

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