Quote: "Please tell me how INSIGNIFIGANT that is compared to the rest of the world."
Let's see how INSIGNIFI
CANT you'd think it was if you were one of the people who lost your business, one that had been around for generations, because of a law that shouldn't exist in the first place. Yeah, I bet they think it's real insignificant... I bet they think about that all day while they're out trying to find new jobs. Let me go ask the previous owners of Edigans, a local pub that was forced to close because of this stupid law. A pub that was open since the early 1800's. Let's go ask them shall we?
Quote: "Uhh, I don't think it is 'okay to be drunk in public' if it was then why are there signs on every bar saying that you can not drink alcoholic beverages within 1000 feet of the place (I think). Furthermore, I believe there is an open bottle policy, you can not have an open bottle of alcohol in public."
When you're in a bar, you're IN PUBLIC. "In public" doesn't mean always mean "outside"
When you're in a bar, or a mall, or a movie theater, or a park, you're in public. My new favorite quote: Dee dee dee!
Quote: "People asked for restaurants to ban smoking, not the kids, people asked for the bars to ban smoking. It is as simple as that.
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Wrong and wrong again. People had nothing to do with it. A small handful of elitists with political tout influenced the creation of these laws. The people never asked for any such law and not many people support the bar ban (I've never met anyone who was against the restaurant ban though). Do you honestly think the government does everything it does because the public wants things a certain way? If you do, you need a labotomy. Seriously, next time the minimum wage topic comes up, watch what happens
Quote: "Look, only 20% (give or take) of people are trying to commit suicide by ciggarettes currently, that means that the non-smokers are a majority and thus in a democracy we, the people that will still be alive when you're dead, take precedence.
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Oh, I forgot that the majority is always right and everyone else is just scum
We're a group of people and we do something that is perfectly legal and of our own accord. You have absolutely NO right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body, and just because we're a minority in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't make us bad people. You have a lot of growing up to do.
Quote: "I asked you before and I ask again, give me one good reason to smoke that is not a symptom caused by the addiction. You are just killing yourself for no reason, you shouldn't need to display your need to die infront of others."
You shouldn't need to display your lack of arguing qualities either
Smoking is harmful for your health... yeah, we get it. You MIGHT get cancer smoking... yup, know about that too. But do you have any idea how many things there are in this world that are FAR more dangerous than smoking? Did you know more non-smokers die from cancer every year than smokers? When you're smoking, you're gambling with your life, just like when you go for a drive in your car, or drink, or eat meat, or rent a Paris Hilton movie, or about a zillion other things that you do in every day life. We made a choice to smoke and you'll just have to deal with it. Oh yeah, and cigarette's relieve stress. That is probably the only positive effect of smoking them, but that should answer your question: you DID only ask for one.
Quote: "No clue, I think matt rock brought the topic up "
Actually, Underworld mentioned it, Jeku commented on it, I commented on that, then this all happened. It wasn't an arguement or getting out of hand until you poked your nose into it.
At the end of the day Merranvo, you're sort of fighting with yourself. Some people are ignoring the conversation, some people are debating it, and you are arguing it. I'd stop digging that hole if I were you... I'm a master-debater
Quote: "So you've pretty much just banned anyone with allergies from pubs? That's nice. I'm sure the people who'll have to sit out trips to the pub with their buddies will think of your compassion. Or just plain people like me who can't stand cigarette smoke while eating/drinking/just standing there."
Exactly why I keep repeating myself saying that there should be smoking pubs and non-smoking pubs. As Hobgoblin said, let the owners make up their own minds and let the public choose between them. And if non-smokers are so adamant about it, they should open their own bars.
No Megaton, I don't see your point. Why should we need to go outside when it's freezing out to smoke. We shouldn't have to. Non-smokers should be "man enough" to open their own pubs, simple as that. No one would complain, we'd just go to a different bar. And of the times I've gone to the bar, I've only met a few people who were for the law; most other people, even non-smokers, think a smoking-in-bars law is rediculous.
Quote: "Also, it is illegal to be intoxicated in publics places in many states. Where you get your facts from, I don't know. It's illegal even in your own state and you don't know about it. You're so naive sometimes."
Again, being drunk in public doesn't have to mean being drunk outside. You're in public when you're in a bar, and there are LOTS of drunks at bars. You're [rul=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_public]in public[/url] whenever you leave your house, by definition. "A place where anyone has a right to come without being excluded because of economic or social conditions. I'm not being naive, you're in fact being naive without thinking about what was said for a few seconds before commenting on it
Anyway, I shouldn't have to go without smoking. There should be smoking bars and non-smoking bars and it's absolutely rediculous that people should expect us to change our habits or be forced to go without just because other people don't like it. Please review my previous Billy Joel and fat people analogies.
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