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FPSC Classic Models and Media / Mounted 50 Cal Machine Gun

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Jonno
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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 09:34 Edited at: 2nd Nov 2006 11:28
Yes, this first post was inapropriate, sorry Butters, and anyone else I insulted.


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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 09:37
And to prove his awesome modeling skills.

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Quote: "YOU CANNOT SAY THIS GUN IS BAD PEOPLE LIKE BUTTERFINGERS."


You truly are pathetic... Butters was giving constructive critisism. Fine, you choose not to listen to an experienced modeller on how to improve your work, it'll carry on sucking.
Is it just me, or are most of your boarding schools students really annoying and stubborn? Im getting very tired of you, even though you've only posted a few threads.
Hope you grow up in time for your next cardboarder thread.

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 10:36
Pathetic am I? No. Were just bored. And love annoying 27 year old nerds.

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 12:49
Jonno, I think you have issues. Nice gun though.

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 13:35
thats a really nice model. It would be nice to see some other views, so we could see the detail on the trigger/grip. Perhaps a couple of close up renders of the bullet feed and stand would be nice too, that way we could see the detail. It might be an idea to make a bone structure in the gun. just 2 bones, make one where gun joins the stand, and one in the base of the stand.

call the bone in the gun "head". That way you can script the gun to "rotatehead" and the gun will rotate. huurah!

Could be a difficult bit of scripting to get that usable ingame, but the model itself is very nice.

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 14:16
Yes, I have lots of issues.

Yer, it has a lot of details in the trigger grip, trigger, stand and stuff. I pointed out he would need to animate it, and he looked at me and said: "You expect me to animate THAT?!" (So i decided I'd learn...)

Its his third weapon, I reackon its heaps good for that much detail.

I do not have a clue how we are going to get it into UC, but we will get there eventually....maybe next year...or when we graduate...

Err...renders? Im not familiar with technical stuff...

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 14:45
It's a nice weapon, but having all that geometry in the ammo can could depreciate your frame rate quite a bit. There's a reason why most guns like that (in games) don't have all the bullets modeled individually.


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Quote: "And love annoying 27 year old nerds."


And who is that?

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The model is decent. I agree that it would appear to have too much geometry and polies for fpsc. Another thing I think is that calling someone out specifically when the majority of people on here give good constructive advice is probobly not a good thing to do, especially Butter. You have no clue how much he helps out this community.
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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 18:38
awesome!!!!

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 19:06
Couldn't you have a few bullets and a texture of bullets under to say on polys and framerates its just stupid having more polys than you need too. If this is used in FPSC I don't think people are gonna look at the bullets.

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Posted: 16th Oct 2006 19:32
nice gun, looks like its gunna be a pain to animate, and a render is a picture of the model thats not taken with image capture or the "prtscreen" button. and i just have to say, bad move effectivly insulting butterfingers, im suprised he still gave you some brilliant advice (as usuall), that is why we respect him so much though i guess.


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personaly, i think jonno just forgot to take his ridalin so lets just give him a break

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can u make this fpsc ready for me?

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Posted: 21st Oct 2006 15:32 Edited at: 21st Oct 2006 15:35
Honestly Jonno, how old are you? Now if your mate really did make this model fine, but that just sounds like an immature attempt to cover up your own bad work. (potentially) And why do we care that you pick on 27 year old nerds? Get a life, honestly.

That model is pretty nice though.

EDIT: Sorry, I missed your later post.

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Posted: 23rd Oct 2006 13:14
Yes, many people have explained in different ways that my models suck, and I am imiture. I accept that. (erm...what later post? Wat did i do now?)


FPSC ready? You gotta be joking...we haven't animated it yet...and is there even a script for a mounted machine gun? (I would have to ask pokey..its his.)

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 02:26
Quote: "and is there even a script for a mounted machine gun?"


I can try and make one

It would shoot projectiles though

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Posted: 24th Oct 2006 08:46
Isn't that what guns shoot? Projectiles?

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I think he means like rockets you see when you fire a gun in fpsc there aren’t really any bullets just muzzle flash so when he says projectiles he means rockets

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 01:10 Edited at: 25th Oct 2006 01:15
jonno, why does the actual fifty look off place with the mount? it looks like it's two seperate mesh's the textures do not match at all.

The actual fifty texture has to much grey in the texture and it's to grainy. try taking a darker grey color force filling a 512x512 square then add some noise probably around 4 for the amount and then add a motion blur to it (mess with the settings to get the best look) then add another layer. make sure your foreground and background colors are dark dark grey and a mid light grey. then render clouds. next set the opacity to about 33%. next go to select and chose select color range. then click somewhere on the new layer and then press delete. then add noise to it and another motion blur. You should end up with a nice texture for the gun. if you wanted to you could add some black to it as well. remember to mess with the settings to get the desired look.

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Posted: 25th Oct 2006 08:06 Edited at: 29th Oct 2006 13:16
You know how many triangles it had? Over 200000. (Im not being a cocky little Chav...im just saying) We deleted the Magazine and the Mount.(I swear he is insane...he modelled EVERY bullet...OVERMARK!!) The gun was designed from pictures that were taken in helicopters in Veitnam...or Korea...or somewere....so it was roughly layed out. And I guessed he just textured it using random textures.

Im going to mess around with emissive, diffusive etc options...and change the texture...eventually. (Its up to the Pokemister.)

(Its gonna be grey...its for a beach landing in Normandy)

I thought 50 calibre's fire pretty big projectiles anyway? There for taking down planes arn't they?

Thanks for the tips!

...forgot the pic.

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The Browning .50 cal. (M2, or "Ma Duce"), is used for a variety of purposes; anti-craft, anti-armor (w/ armor piercing rounds), anti-vehicle, anti-troop (Geneva convention prohibits use directly against troops, but if I just can't reach my M16....), etc. The .50 round is also used in a long-range sniper rifle (reach out and touch someone).

The head of the round isn't bulbous like your friend modeled, it looks more like a large 7.62 round (except the casing is more disproportionate, to account for more gunpowder). There are quite a few reference images floating around the internet. There's a HIGHLY detailed model of the M2 for sale on Turbosquid...for over $1,000!

I used to love firing this weapon. Here's a link to a .50 cal. site.

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Sorry, I dont know who made it...

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Well, you'll have to make the gun a character to use that script (or mine) but that one looks like it will just shoot the player

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:23
So if I make the 50 cal FPSC ready, and I set it up somewere, I become the fifty? (Or whenever I go near it?)

Quote: "There's a HIGHLY detailed model of the M2 for sale on Turbosquid...for over $1,000!"


I was hoping to win the Melbourne cup...lol

I read in "Jarhead" that when they were given the 50 calibre sniper rifle that they can't shoot directly at humans, they can shoot at vehicles fuel tanks, thus killing everyone around it. If you did shoot a human, you were sent to the Brig. What would you rather die by? 50 calibre sniper rifle or burnt to death by gasoline?

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I sat on top of a hotel in Al Kut (Iraq) in the Summer of '03; sitting next to me was a sniper team from the Marines who used a .50 cal. sniper rifle to scan their section of the city. We stopped there for some food (lamb and flatbread); needed a break from the garbage we were eating.

I don't think they were looking for trucks to shoot at.

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AFIK, There's nothing in the Geneva Convention banning .50s from use on people. However, the Hague Convention dissallows use of arms intended to produce unnecessary suffering which sometimes gets misconstrued as too much damage.

Here's a good, short article on "the .50 question".

http://home.avvanta.com/~minsq/NCArchive/00000210.htm

I read an anecdote once about snipers being instructed that shooting a person with a .50 was illegal but shooting at equipment was fair game. Equipment being helmets, LBEs, uniforms, etc.
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Quote: "produce unnecessary suffering which sometimes gets misconstrued as too much damage"

Have you ever seen what a .50 round can do to the human body?

Quote: "I read an anecdote once about snipers being instructed that shooting a person with a .50 was illegal but shooting at equipment was fair game. Equipment being helmets, LBEs, uniforms, etc."

That's the same thing we were always told. Personally, I don't really care about the discomfort of individuals taking shots at me; I'll use whatever happens to be in my hands at the time. Politicians agreed to the Geneva Conventions; but I don't see many of them on the battlefield getting shot at.

It's the same argument used to prohibit hollow points, and the birth of the "Nato Round" (5.56mm). Of course, if you've ever seen what one of those 5.56 rounds can do to an ammo can filled with water, I don't really see much difference.

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Quote: "Have you ever seen what a .50 round can do to the human body?"


Only in photos and it looks horrible...but quick if not intstant... Which seems very humanitarian to me.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 08:01
.50 cal = Missing 75% of head if hit!
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Quote: "Politicians agreed to the Geneva Conventions; but I don't see many of them on the battlefield getting shot at."


The Geneva Conventions are a joke. It ridiculous that someone thinks they can regulate war. When it comes down to it, humans will do anything to win a war. Its humane to kill a man in this way but not this way? Plus us "politically correct" countries are the only ones that even follow the rules, meanwhile our enemies crash planes into our buildings....

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MRE's really do taste like garbage. My cadet unit decided we needed to eat them...for a week

Too true! Ive said that many times! "How the h*** would they know what it feels like? I mean, I don't know what it feels like...but it must feel pretty bad..."

It says in the "50 questions" you can shoot paratroopers...there just as human as me arn't they? (In pubs there not though..)

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Quote: "By the way, you know you can?t hit a human target with a .50-caliber weapon, right? It?s in the Geneva Convention. So you hit the gas tank on their vehicle, and they get blown the hell up, but you can?t target some lonely guard or a couple of towlies in an OP calling in bombs."


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Quote: "The Geneva Conventions are a joke. It ridiculous that someone thinks they can regulate war. When it comes down to it, humans will do anything to win a war. Its humane to kill a man in this way but not this way? Plus us "politically correct" countries are the only ones that even follow the rules, meanwhile our enemies crash planes into our buildings....

-NIK"

I completely agree.

Quote: "Only in photos and it looks horrible...but quick if not intstant... Which seems very humanitarian to me. "

It depends on where you get hit, it's not always center mass. Wherever you do get hit, it's pretty much a given that you're going to have a bad day.

Quote: "MRE's really do taste like garbage. My cadet unit decided we needed to eat them...for a week"

Try eating them for 6 months to a year (for all 3 meals), then get back to me. Why do you think we went to th hotel in Kut to eat? Although our cooks could do some good stuff with the C-rations we occassionally had. I was always on convoys, so I had little time to "eat-in". My first MRE was cold spaghetti in a tube (back in training). I used to like the #1 (Ham Slice I believe).

Quote: "It says in the "50 questions" you can shoot paratroopers"

I was in the 82nd Airborne Division for over 3 years; it was always known to us that it was against the Geneva Convention to shoot Paratroopers when they were descending; but like most other things to do with the G.C., it's largely ignored.

I think we've all drifted off messege now. Let's not start a government discussion in Jonno's thread.

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Posted: 26th Oct 2006 15:53 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 15:54
Quote: "Let's not start a government discussion in Jonno's thread."


Sorry, but I'd like to know the answer to this;

Quote: "it was always known to us that it was against the Geneva Convention to shoot Paratroopers when they were descending"


Can paratroopers fire on ground troops while descending?

[Ontopic]

Jonno, if ya manage to get this animated with your friend, will you throw a video our way? Would look pretty cool if you could get the belt animated too

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Oh by the way, It's nice to have a civil conversation

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Quote: "Can paratroopers fire on ground troops while descending?"

Ground troops can take cover; it's pretty hard to find cover when you're drifting down to earth.


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Send me the machine gun NOW!!

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That sounds pretty demanding.


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yeah...more like 'send me the machine gun now!!'...'before I blow 75% of your head away with a .50'

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Quote: "it was always known to us that it was against the Geneva Convention to shoot Paratroopers when they were descending""


You may not engage a paratrooper drifting to the ground if they are not shooting at you. though if they are shooting at you, you may tear them in half if your a good enough shot or have the right supression weapons with you.

Also the the convention states that the paratrooper may not fire upon ground troops while drifting to the ground.

I take LOAC training a few times a year and I just recently completed it so it's fresh in my brain.

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Are you one of the Loadmasters; smiling at me when I exit the C-130/140/5, while in flight?


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nope. I am the guy that is responsible for getting the pilot to the ground when he messes up or gets shotdown....not to be confused with life support. All hail EGRESS!!!!!!!! Besides I work with a few hundred explosive devices! devices so fast that you can stretch a DTA line from earth to the moon and it would hit the moon just shy of 22 minutes.

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So a Rigger then?


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nope an aircrew egress systems craftsman. http://www.ejectionsite.com/check this site out. it's about my job..I am not a ground pounder like you guys. but have spent my fair share of time in a DFP.
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Ok. I get into controversial things when it comes to governments...lol

I'll have a go Kieth, but I'll probably eat all the sweetly condensed milk in a tube....then vomit...lol (Off topic: Is it possible that the UK, US and AUS stay in Iraq for another 3 years? I hope not..)

@MaxiMix Dude, what about a please? (Im not giving it away, its featuring in our game. I'll give it too people we trust.)

@Smitho if we get it animated and working and in FPSC I'll give you it for christmas.

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i dont if everyone else says its bad. I think its really good.
Dont like the top line of the first post though. also just cos "hes" 27 and modeling doesnt mean "hes" a nerd. I am 13 lol havent been modeling long lol.

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Hohoho, a Merry Christmas it would be << (The closest thing to Santa )

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I read a lot about people who run the Pennyfan and all the SAS training stuff just to stay fit, but why would you do a LOAC course every year? Are you still an aircrew egress systems craftsman?

Smiling as you exit? lol...thats like those dudes on the mini's in the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. "No fear!" (Just as you fast rope)
"Easy for you to say!!"

We just need to learn how to animate it, then I have to buy WCS and get it ready for FPSC.

We didn't get any MRE's for the camp, the disposal store was too far away. Instead we ran to Mobile and bought junk food. (I think we wouldove rather eaten the boarding food then MRE's, and thats saying something about MRE's...)

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Wait, are you talking about American MRE's, or British MRE's? Because I've had British MRE's, and they are MUCH better than the ones I was issued.


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