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Geek Culture / AOL. What's so wrong with them?

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soapyfish
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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 00:17
Hi all,
I've been using AOL for a good few years now and everything works fine. It wasn't until I started using the net on a more regular basis that I realised a lot of people have something against AOL, problem is, I don't know what that something is.

I've only been openly criticised for using AOL once and I'm positive that the critic didn’t have a clue what was wrong with AOL, they just knew something was up and felt the need to type 'lol' a lot.

I'm sure that’s the case with the majority of people but there must be someone out there who has genuine proof of a problem with AOL that warrants me, an average Joe of a user, taking my custom elsewhere (I'm thinking reasonable problems here, 'it's used by n00bs' isn't imo, a reasonable problem).

I'll be honest, at the moment I'd be happy to say AOL is no worse than any other isp, feel free to prove me wrong.

Any enlightenment would be much appreciated. Thanks.

p.s. I know that they're meant to be a bugger when it comes to cancelling your account, but seeing as (at the moment) I don't have a reason to cancel I don't see this as a problem.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 00:34
Read:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data/

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 00:38
I didn't like AOL before the internet... so I've never had it. But I have experienced it while fixing peoples computers.

I tell people like this... imagine a box. Inside the box is AOL. When you do a search on the internet you bounce around in the box. If you happen to get outside of the box where the real internet is you can only stay there for a little bit before they force you back into the box.

Every time I try to download drivers using AOL I'd always be redirected to the homepage after about 2 minutes. I figured it's a form of forced censorship by AOL.

If you want to find out what everybody thinks just type "aol sucks" (with the quotes) in the search box... if you don't see any AOL is censoring your search. I did it in yahoo and got 68,400 hits.
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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 00:43 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 00:45
I don't like how their software worms its way into every aspect of the machine and basically wrecks it

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 00:46 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 00:46
http://ebtx.com/business/aolsucks.htm

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 00:47
@codelike - Lol, yeh I've heard about that but I think I'm right in thinking that's only people who use the AOL Search rather than something like google.

I sign on using AOL but then use Safari for all my surfing needs, whether this makes any difference I don't know.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 01:01
BT is a bigger pain...unreliable piece of crap using Safari probably does make a difference as I am sure its the AOL software that causes people all that grief, we had AOL for a little while, back when broadband wasn't available in our area, it wasn't too bad, but I didn't like the software.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 01:15
AOL on windows machines ruins your ping for gaming.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 01:31
The 'AOL' stigma goes back to its dial-up internet access roots, around the early 1990s. The issue was never with the AOL service itself (although back in the dial-up days, it was nothing to write home about), but rather with the AOL users.

Back in the 90s 'AOL user' basically meant 'noob'.

It was always the AOL users who posted the most stupid dumb-ass questions to Usenet. It was always the AOL users who replied willingly to spam emails. In short, they were regarded as complete morons by virtually everyone else who got onto the net via more traditional means (SLIP/PPP, etc). The AOL users were regarded as noobs because they had to use the AOL software to do anything online, i.e. they weren't capable of using the primitive browsers of the day (think Netscape version 1) but rather had to click pretty buttons in a 'safe' environment.

You must remember this is a time on the Internet when the web *wasn't* the majority use of the Internet, but rather other services like Usenet, WAIS, Gopher, Telnet MUDs and the like all shared equal net traffic. Now of course the web dominates, but back then the average net user had a far more extensive knowledge of how it all worked than they need now. You'd FTP via command-line, you'd know the difference between TCP/IP ports, you'd understand how to configure a SLIP connection. Those that didn't have these skills used AOL. Hence the noob banner they were lumped under.

It's only really the legacy of this stigma that exists today, but not with as much gusto as it did, since AOL have actually got their arses in gear and produced a relatively decent internet access package. That and as we now all know, there are dumb-ass internet users getting online from everywhere, not just AOL.

But essentially, that is where it comes from.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 02:02 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 02:10
Quote: "I sign on using AOL but then use Safari for all my surfing needs, whether this makes any difference I don't know."

Safari???

Dude, download Firefox or IE7. By far the best two browsers available. In fact, download both. I did so, and It's quite nice to have them both there to use.

aol is... just do a search. I can't quite describe it the way I'd like to... Personally my hate for them came around recently with all they've been doing in the past few years.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 02:13
Yeah, a large part of what Rich said is part of the reason.
I think the most major factor of this is that people are riding the 'bashing' wave.

AOL back in the late-90s when it was still on dial-up you had a choice of either a) internet from your phone service provider, or b) AOL
(given by this point AOL had basically beaten CompuServe and others from the market)

What gave it the bad name was it's ability to only be stable on a very select phonelines (ie GOOD phonelines) and it's software taking up close to 50% of your overall system resources.

In-fact the second point is more why many people disliked it. Internet gaming was just becoming something quite big and novel for most comming to the internet, last thing you wanted was something that would kill the performance of your computer trying to play Quake2 or Unreal Tournament.

This said, I hear lots of people swear by Norton - which honestly just kills performance of even the most high-performance rigs. It's all craziness.

Then again AOL is a BIG company, there was a threat about 2-3years back that they would go under because of the bad publicity they were getting online which many users didn't want to be associated with.

I know here in the UK, that running AOL on a BT phoneline is basically internet suicide. Makes it odd that when they added a broadband service it was originally BT-Only ADSL, but oh well.

Over the past few years since TimeWarner bought them out, they have become a much better company. They provide very simple and easy online solutions on xDSL connections, their software runs more in the background (still uses more resources then honestly needs to but most of that's for the flashy graphics that you *can* now turn off), plus their connection software is far more stable.

On the whole they're a good internet solution, particularly for newbies to the internet arena which honestly is what they were created for in the first place.

I've honestly never had any issues with them apart from when I was on a BT phoneline. NTL as well as AT&T it ran at unbelievably quick speeds, stable and always connected. This said I've not used AOL since 2002 when I first got broadband at home.

On a side note:
Been contemplating changing service provider recently. We're on Vivio or something obscure, it's a 10Mbps line but that's shared for the whole apt. So realistically I only ever get 2-3Mbps Up/Down speeds, far less during the evening when everyone's on Limewire.

Was thinking of going with Redten as they offer 8Mbps (upgrades to 24Mbps April 2007), plus a free computer at £20/month.

Only downside is it's a 3year account contract, which you're allowed to close at anytime with 6weeks notice. Obviously another stipulation of this is either you then pay the full amount for the computer or return it, if you decide to close your account.

So total for 3years guarenteed internet would be £720 (£810 if I wanted a static IP). Really thinking about this, because if you take away the computer price from the equasion it's a case of paying £220 for 3years of high-speed internet. (which I'd probably sell on *as-new* after paying for the entire 3year contract at once.)

Question I have though is does anyone know how reliable they are, can you expect the full performance from the connection? Just don't want to go in to this and find out it's another TalkTalk thing ... glad I didn't go for that a year ago ^_^

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 02:31
I use AOL myself.

Just over a year ago I had to cancel my service with them, as I was leaving the country, like you do. This process was incredibly simple, and it only took a few minutes. It was kind of comical actually. The Indian lady I was speaking to couldn't quite understand me and I her, but the general point of 'leave' and 'AOL' got through with no worries.

Now, after being gone for a just under a year, I'm back to the internet with AOL. At the start of the year though, I went for another isp. Wanadoo. Now if you ever want to bash an isp, bash Wanadoo. They are what I read AOL was a few years ago, +10 to the suck factor.

The only one annoyance I've had with AOL is that darned application hogging the taskbar. In Wanadoo's favour - and this is the only thing in their favour - their app was tucked away into the system tray. However, to get around this I use another application called Captain Tray, which sticks it in the system tray every time I minimize the window.

And I'm done.


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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 02:36
Kohaku - yeah, it's people like you who broke the 'AOL stigma' really. Back in the day most AOL users couldn't tell their arse from a jam donut, let alone know what the sys tray was. I guess everyone at the time (me included) saw it as the 'dumbing down' of the Internet. These days it's irrelevant.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 02:48 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 02:51
God don't get me started on Wanadoo, my dad uses that. It's over-priced internet crap.

I think something I prefer with AOL over most internet services you *have* to sign in to (PPoP) is that it remembers all of your connection information for you with no way to accidentially delete the password from the standard windows User/Pass screen thing.

Accidentally did that on my dads computer and it took him a week to get a new password from Wanadoo cause he couldn't remember where he'd written the mammothly long alpha-numeric.

Personally I think NTL are by far one of the best internet service providers, atleast in this country. Connection speeds are always stable, the only downtime you will experience is in the small hours of the morning as they don't do any work on servers or connections during the day unless there has been an unschedualed loss of service. They're also best value for money imo...
£30 Digital Cable TV, Phoneline, and 8Mbit Internet; just can't beat that sort of price.

Difficult to find other internet service providers that give the service they do either. Freephone support, and they generally try to get everyones issues sorted while they're on the phone.

Problem with the market today is there is just too much choice. Back in the 90s the issue was there wasn't enough.

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Safari???

Dude, download Firefox or IE7. By far the best two browsers available. In fact, download both. I did so, and It's quite nice to have them both there to use.
"


lol... do a quick websearch on which platform Safari is on. It's actually not a bad broswer. Quite quick and low-profile. Just doesn't quite support XHTML 1.0, CSS 2.0, JS1.x or SVG 1.0 quite as well as it could do.

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I still keep AOL active for my email address hell I have had it since AOL started (hence no annoying numbers just my first initial last name). I use Comcast to connect and sometimes still browse with the AOL/IE hybrid since it never seems to have any problems and IE or firefox seem to randomly change text sizes sometimes. I was just glad to get off my 70baud modem. I do miss being able to read something from a BBS faster then it could print to the screen and the community feeling that went along with them.

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NTL are great IF they have cabled your area! and they're not even close to here. Hell, when I lived in the centre of Bristol (which is a bloody big city) they hadn't even done our street. So we use Sky+ instead, which works great, and Zen Internet for 8Mbps ADSL, which is superb in every possible way (and yes, you pay for that superbness)

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Quote: "Accidentally did that on my dads computer and it took him a week to get a new password from Wanadoo cause he couldn't remember where he'd written the mammothly long alpha-numeric"

So you never use passwords longer than 7 characters then? I think considering the username is not something simple (fti/########) it's worth always putting the login details somewhere where you won't lose them. In this case it doesn't sound like the ISP is at fault, but more the user.

And so, Wanadoo is now "over-priced internet crap" because of a mistake by the user?

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 14:46 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 15:13
I quite liked Wanadoo, although they were a bit difficult to leave when the household wanted to move to another ADSL ISP. BTOW, they've been good too, although a little expensive. Their email service is impeccable which we've kept post their internet service. I've never had any spam in the 3-4 years I've been using it. Though I have lost at least one legit email, so maybe they're locked down a bit too hard, but that's worth it for the no-spam aspect, I suppose. You get what you pay for. We're using Freedom2Surf 8mb, at the moment, without any problems - so far, so good! That RedTen 24mb looks like keeping an eye on.

Quote: "it remembers all of your connection information for you with no way to accidentially delete the password from the standard windows User/Pass screen thing"


An ADSL router would solve this problem as it'd stay 'always on' & save your connection details in the router, as well, allowing an automatic relogin on reboot of the computer or router. No internet login prompt - completely transparent.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 16:27 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 16:28
Quote: "Every time I try to download drivers using AOL I'd always be redirected to the homepage after about 2 minutes. I figured it's a form of forced censorship by AOL."


In the three years I've been with them, I've never experianced that. But I prefere to use IE or firefox over OpenRide or AOL 9. With boardband you don't need to run their software to browse, and I usually collect my e-mail via my www.aol.co.uk's webmail service.

Quote: "I don't like how their software worms its way into every aspect of the machine and basically wrecks it"


That is massively unfair, that vast majority of big providers do this, including MSN and Tiscali. Besides it's aimed at the idiot user level who'd not know what spyware is at all. It does provide a reasonable level of secuity for these users. More advanced users like you and myself, will have no trouble removing anything we don't like and using our own solutions.

Quote: "AOL on windows machines ruins your ping for gaming."


Really? I get pretty low pings, are you sure it's not your phone company. I don't know about australia, but AOL basically buys X amount of bandwidth from BT. More often then not, around here, if something goes wrong, it happens to anyone, reguardless of their service provider.

Quote: "The 'AOL' stigma goes back to its dial-up internet access roots, around the early 1990s. The issue was never with the AOL service itself (although back in the dial-up days, it was nothing to write home about), but rather with the AOL users.

Back in the 90s 'AOL user' basically meant 'noob'.

It was always the AOL users who posted the most stupid dumb-ass questions to Usenet. It was always the AOL users who replied willingly to spam emails. In short, they were regarded as complete morons by virtually everyone else who got onto the net via more traditional means (SLIP/PPP, etc). The AOL users were regarded as noobs because they had to use the AOL software to do anything online, i.e. they weren't capable of using the primitive browsers of the day (think Netscape version 1) but rather had to click pretty buttons in a 'safe' environment.

You must remember this is a time on the Internet when the web *wasn't* the majority use of the Internet, but rather other services like Usenet, WAIS, Gopher, Telnet MUDs and the like all shared equal net traffic. Now of course the web dominates, but back then the average net user had a far more extensive knowledge of how it all worked than they need now. You'd FTP via command-line, you'd know the difference between TCP/IP ports, you'd understand how to configure a SLIP connection. Those that didn't have these skills used AOL. Hence the noob banner they were lumped under.

It's only really the legacy of this stigma that exists today, but not with as much gusto as it did, since AOL have actually got their arses in gear and produced a relatively decent internet access package. That and as we now all know, there are dumb-ass internet users getting online from everywhere, not just AOL.

But essentially, that is where it comes from."


I remember those days, compuserve and ascii images over a 9.6k modem! Great times. But yes, it's amazing how stigma's hang around even when there's little reason for it.

Quote: "What gave it the bad name was it's ability to only be stable on a very select phonelines (ie GOOD phonelines) and it's software taking up close to 50% of your overall system resources."


Tried OpenRide? That's pretty resource intensive as well, espically considering what it actually does.

Quote: "I think something I prefer with AOL over most internet services you *have* to sign in to (PPoP) is that it remembers all of your connection information for you with no way to accidentially delete the password from the standard windows User/Pass screen thing."


The best thing AOL did was start giving out WiFi routers. No more dialing up, except after the odd power cut. I almost forget that I'm using an ISP, it's just like using a LAN service.

I do wish AOL 9.0 allowed for a greater password then 8 characters though, that's not so good.

Quote: "Personally I think NTL are by far one of the best internet service providers, atleast in this country. Connection speeds are always stable, the only downtime you will experience is in the small hours of the morning as they don't do any work on servers or connections during the day unless there has been an unschedualed loss of service. They're also best value for money imo..."


NTL have improved alot in the last 5 years then, I was with then in Cardiff, and the service was really, really bad. I had their max package of 512k at the time, and it was dropping out 12 - 15 times a day. The longest cut out was for 10 days running. I used to work for the NTL technical support desk, and it wasn't an uncommon problem, the company was in a big mess. I dunno about these days though, but if given a choice between cable or ADSL, then it's ADSL all the way!

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Anyway, my only issue with AOL, and alot of companies are doing it these days, is the moving of their technical support services from Ireland and UK centers to India. They are totally useless, being able to carry out only the most basic fault finding proceedures. Frankly, if I have to phone technical support, I basically phone, and if an idian accent appears I hang up and try again, and again until I get though to the Irish, who actually know what they are doing. I find it saves time, beleive it or not.

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Quote: "That is massively unfair, that vast majority of big providers do this, including MSN and Tiscali. Besides it's aimed at the idiot user level who'd not know what spyware is at all. It does provide a reasonable level of secuity for these users. More advanced users like you and myself, will have no trouble removing anything we don't like and using our own solutions."


AOL is much much worse when it comes to this though. They don't just bundle one app... oh no, they bundle 7 or 8 useless pieces of crap, most of which are fairly pointless.

My best experience with an ISP is definitely OneTel. They offer pretty decent speed (about 2mbps, but bear in mind I am in the countryside) and bundle very minimal software with their package, which is also completely optional. They're a good price, and have no annoying download limits or other such things, and I've had no problem with them at all

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Quote: "That is massively unfair, that vast majority of big providers do this, including MSN and Tiscali. Besides it's aimed at the idiot user level who'd not know what spyware is at all. It does provide a reasonable level of secuity for these users. More advanced users like you and myself, will have no trouble removing anything we don't like and using our own solutions."


which was exactly my point when I said...

Quote: "I don't like how their software worms its way into every aspect of the machine and basically wrecks it"


regardless of the pc-savvy level of the end user, the fact remains that the software worms its way into every aspect of the machine (os etc) and basically wrecks it. Yes, you and I could remove/tweak it etc, but that wasnt my point.

I agree this type of bloated software is aimed at noobs and grannies, etc, but when it blorks their pc, they are the least likely to know whats happening and fix it themselves.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 18:02
Quote: "I don't like how their software worms its way into every aspect of the machine and basically wrecks it"


As I'm having difficulty relating to this one, can you possibly tell me exactly what AOL software I'm supposed to be looking at here?

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Thanks for your thoughts everyone, much appreciated.

It would appear I've been bitten by the coding bug yet again...
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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 19:11 Edited at: 14th Nov 2006 19:26
What's so wrong? The freezes! I had their browser installed ages ago and swiftly removed it. On about 5% of pages, the browser would freeze my PC with grey scanlines on the screen if nothing happened for 30 seconds.

Come to think of it, every PC I have ever known to have any version of AOL on it needed a Windows reinstall around a month after. Each one slowed down to a standstill and then had its DLLs picked apart by a trojan/virus storm.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 19:55
Quote: "AOL is much much worse when it comes to this though. They don't just bundle one app... oh no, they bundle 7 or 8 useless pieces of crap, most of which are fairly pointless."


* shrugs * there's software isn't that bad, from what I can see the only two things it installs with AOL 9 is a spyware checker and a toolbar for IE. The rest is intergrated into AOL 9. But to be honest, I got a free router from them, so I don't even install that anymore. Just plug it in, let the router log on and you're away, not a trace of AOL on you're whole machine.

Quote: "They're a good price, and have no annoying download limits or other such things, and I've had no problem with them at all"


AOL doesn't have download limits either, I think it was one of the first to offer it, and was the original reason I signed up.

Quote: "Quote: "That is massively unfair, that vast majority of big providers do this, including MSN and Tiscali. Besides it's aimed at the idiot user level who'd not know what spyware is at all. It does provide a reasonable level of secuity for these users. More advanced users like you and myself, will have no trouble removing anything we don't like and using our own solutions."

which was exactly my point when I said...

Quote: "I don't like how their software worms its way into every aspect of the machine and basically wrecks it"

regardless of the pc-savvy level of the end user, the fact remains that the software worms its way into every aspect of the machine (os etc) and basically wrecks it. Yes, you and I could remove/tweak it etc, but that wasnt my point.

I agree this type of bloated software is aimed at noobs and grannies, etc, but when it blorks their pc, they are the least likely to know whats happening and fix it themselves."


Again, sign up for a free router, and you need not touch any aol software at all. Also there's OpenRide, while it's pretty resource heavy (my PC is massively out of date) it hasn't asked to install any extra's. I mainly don't use it because I dislike the interface.

Quote: "What's so wrong? The freezes! I had their browser installed ages ago and swiftly removed it. On about 5% of pages, the browser would freeze my PC with grey scanlines on the screen if nothing happened for 30 seconds.

Come to think of it, every PC I have ever known to have any version of AOL on it needed a Windows reinstall around a month after. Each one slowed down to a standstill and then had its DLLs picked apart by a trojan/virus storm."


I can't comment if the operating systems you are using are pre-windows 2000, I can imagine windows 98/95/ME reacting that way, but frankly just about anything crashes those systems. But on post windows 2000 SP1 systems, I've never seen any problem with AOL. Certainly not on my systems. But I don't use commerically built systems either, I've always built my own as I have no faith in the likes of DELL or HP or whoever, they have a habbit of going for intergrated motherboards (video on board etc) which historically are unstable. But this is based on knowledge from around 2001 when I was building these things professionally. These boards might be more stable these days.

Either way, I have three PC's 2 AMD desktop's and a Toshiba laptop, all running 2000 or XP, AOL has yet to cause any problems with any of these machines.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 20:02
Wanadoo deserve their bashing, I paid for 14 months cos they wouldn`t cancel on time but took another two months off me, they frequently slowed to a crawl once it finaly was got working, they took seven months to get it working (still debited my account tho), and insisted there was nothing wrong as they where "actioning" the problem, the helpline is staffed by fully qualified retards who make Einstien level suggestions such as "turn off your firewall" or "disable the antivirus" or "your computer is configured incorrectly (yeah...right ... all 5 running different OS`s from Linux to Win98 to XP and the broadband modem lights showing "adsl carrier lost" ....duh!!!)

EVERY time you call
10 they start right from the computer prompted beginning and get to "we will ask BT to run a line test" then ask you to call back later
20 when you finaly get through "later" ..... (goto line 10)

I hated Wanadoo so much I even had the phone taken out (when I was finaly able to get them to cancel), my personal name for them is Wanadon`t, I now won`t subscribe to ANY service that wants my bank details or has 12 month contracts, they are just a licence to rob you blind

AOL is like having a connection to the net thro a convent school server by all accounts (lol) , you are restricted in what you can do and where you can go, something like living in a nanny police state thats totaly dedicated to you having "a nice day" (shudder).



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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 20:09
Quote: "AOL is like having a connection to the net thro a convent school server by all accounts (lol) , you are restricted in what you can do and where you can go, something like living in a nanny police state thats totaly dedicated to you having "a nice day" (shudder)."


Why do people claim that? It's a crock. I've been using AOL for 3 years, there's no site I've not been able to log onto, no server I've been unable to access. The only reason you'd have that sort of restriction is if parental controls was turned on. It's not turned on as standard, so you'll have had to have done it yourself. Either way, there are no restrictions just because you are using AOL.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 20:12
I've had a couple of hiccups along the way, but I've been a Demon customer since '95.

When I were a lad, I had to setup my own modem, download, install and configure slip drivers, tcp/ip devices drivers, ftp and mail clients for my Amiga . Aye, you young'uns don't know how easy you've got it.

The good news now is that it's so easy to change ISP's that they all have to get their acts together or they'll lose their customers.

I've never used AOL myself, or any of the other 'popular' ISP's, but I've had to clean up after a few. A long (long) time ago, AOL was a nightmare ... they have got to be better now though. Yes?

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Posted: 14th Nov 2006 20:24
@Me!

You can cancel your direct debit at any time. If a company screws you over, just cancel the direct debit. The very worst that can happen is they'll put a black mark on your credit rating (and this is quite unlikely if you write to them to explain why you've canceled) which you can later get them to remove by writing to them.

NTL wouldn't cancel my broadband account because I couldn't get through to them. I spend around 20-30 minutes on hold to customer services on three occasions. When I tried other NTL numbers, they kept saying I had to do it via the customer services line. Eventually I just canceled the direct debit and sent them a letter. In my letter I specifically asked them to write back and confirm the cancelation etc. but they never bothered. Didn't hear from them again, but they've not had a penny sinse.


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Quote: "When I were a lad, I had to setup my own modem, download, install and configure slip drivers, tcp/ip devices drivers, ftp and mail clients for my Amiga . Aye, you young'uns don't know how easy you've got it. "


I miss those times. The days when your PC really was your PC from a software point of view. You could load, remove, write autoexec.bat files, alter the config.sys, and it mattered. If something wanted to install it would have to write it on a website saying "please install me!" rather than doing it all automatically. If there was a virus on your system, a quick RAM breakdown would allow you to attack it directly. Heck, even the hardware configuration was controlled by you. Set an IRQ switch on the board, set it up on the command prompt, brilliant!

Windows, while very impressive is barely in anyone's control these days, you have no real idea what's going on, oh you are still tweak settings, but not to the extent you used to be able too.

I also wonder, if we rid ourselves of all this windows crap, how much more impressive games would be. The amount of resource any post-3.1 system uses is phanominal!

And really what do you need? Hardware Drivers entered into the config.sys, any TRS software can be auto loaded in autoexec.bat, you can quickly and easily write custom bat files. All you really need is a common libary like OpenGL, and OpenAL, perhaps a common input libary such as OpenInput, and you're laughing. Windows does all this, but at one hell of a hefty price in terms of resources.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 14:40 Edited at: 15th Nov 2006 14:54
AOL is an abbreivation of America On-Line. That says to me that it really should be avoided by anyone outside America. If you were in the states and tried using British Telecom as your ISP would you really expect good service?

My father-in-law uses AOL and just last night he asked me how to download an email attachment that he had received. I was at his house so I said "No problem!" and promptly set about demostrating how to look a complete arse and failing in such a simple task!
The attachment was there and clicking on it (right, left or double click) gave the options of download now or download later. Clicking on either one of them gave me an hour glass pointer for a second and then back to were I was. Try as I might, I couldn't figure out were the hell the attachment was downloading to. I then tried saving the email to see if I could get at the attachment there. I was told that the email had been saved in my personal filing cabinet but again, try as I might, I could not find such a beast.

I then set up a hotmail account for him and requested the sender to re-send the message to the new address. He got his attachment!

So, apart from America On-Line being (in my opinion) for American users only. The software that comes with it is a bag of crap! Steer clear, that's my advice.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 14:51
In america we laugh at aol just as much as anywhere else. I remember afriend of mine taking 50 of their cds from a post office and using them as flinging disks. I don't know anyone who does much on the internet who would be caught dead on aol. Until this thread I'd almost forgotten aol existed.

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the best thing to do with them is make throwing stars;

+5 cursed damage, with -3 dexterity.

Yes, I have a friend who did that.

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Quote: "I'll be honest, at the moment I'd be happy to say AOL is no worse than any other isp, feel free to prove me wrong"


At least no other ISP infects your machine with a big bloated software that it next to impossible to remove and shoves icons and links into every place on the machine it can get into.

Aol makes their users believe that AOL is the internet.

No ISP service should require any kind of software to make a connection, Windows already has the needed dial-up connection software.

Most ppl I know who used it had trouble canceling their service

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My mom works for Time Warner Cable (who does the Road Runner broadband service, which is REALLY nice). AOL did some weird merge thing with them and so AOL broadband was created. Basically it was AOL software with a broadband connection through Road Runner. What ended up happening is people dropped the AOL browser and their AOL email, and just used IE instead. It was the most hilarious thing I'd ever seen. It was as if AOL thought that if they leached off of TWC and Road Runner, that people would still want to use their services.

Quote: "I remember afriend of mine taking 50 of their cds from a post office and using them as flinging disks."


I had an art teacher who's son made metal insects out of them

Quote: "the best thing to do with them is make throwing stars;

+5 cursed damage, with -3 dexterity.

Yes, I have a friend who did that."


Anyone who gets hit with them is silenced and put on hold as well.

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Quote: "AOL is an abbreivation of America On-Line. That says to me that it really should be avoided by anyone outside America. If you were in the states and tried using British Telecom as your ISP would you really expect good service?

My father-in-law uses AOL and just last night he asked me how to download an email attachment that he had received. I was at his house so I said "No problem!" and promptly set about demostrating how to look a complete arse and failing in such a simple task!
The attachment was there and clicking on it (right, left or double click) gave the options of download now or download later. Clicking on either one of them gave me an hour glass pointer for a second and then back to were I was. Try as I might, I couldn't figure out were the hell the attachment was downloading to. I then tried saving the email to see if I could get at the attachment there. I was told that the email had been saved in my personal filing cabinet but again, try as I might, I could not find such a beast.

I then set up a hotmail account for him and requested the sender to re-send the message to the new address. He got his attachment!

So, apart from America On-Line being (in my opinion) for American users only. The software that comes with it is a bag of crap! Steer clear, that's my advice."


In reguards to the Ameican Online comment. Well, I won't say what I think, I don't want to start a flame war.

Saves directly to the desktop to me, it's all under options.

Quote: "In america we laugh at aol just as much as anywhere else. I remember afriend of mine taking 50 of their cds from a post office and using them as flinging disks. I don't know anyone who does much on the internet who would be caught dead on aol. Until this thread I'd almost forgotten aol existed.
"


You've just met one then, been with AOL for years, pretty much live on the internet as well. I've held jobs on various technical support desks, built PC's for a living, and never, ever buy pre-manufactured PC's. AOL is not a bad service, certainly they give access to alot of entertainment content, news, forums, newsgroups, discussion boards, music, video, and various other services. Apart from their technical support being based in India, there's no problems at all.

Quote: "At least no other ISP infects your machine with a big bloated software that it next to impossible to remove and shoves icons and links into every place on the machine it can get into."


Ummm what about the big bit of bloated software you are running now? Oh what's it called? Oh yes, WINDOWS!!! Oh and of cause the next generation of bloat software is arriving as well, it's called Vista. Want you machine to drop it's proformance by about 15%? Install vista! If you don't like bloatware, you're using the wrong sort of machine.

As for icons and software everywhere. Seriously what are you smoking? I want some! Theres a bunch of icons under an AOL folder in program files. Theres 2 on my desktop, one in the systray and one on the quick links bar that doesn't appear on XP as stardard anyway. The only program that tries to install itself is it's antispyware software. Nothing else does. Seriously, I wonder if half the people hear have ever installed AOL at all.

In reguards to unstalling, try ad remove programs, I don't have any problems removing their software.

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Quote: "In reguards to unstalling, try ad remove programs, I don't have any problems removing their software."


Or even better use the AOL Uninstall option, second to last just before AOL BIGFIX the option lets you remove AOL altogether or keep certain pieces you may want such as download folders, you can also restore a previous version of AOL from it if you really wanted to.

I agree that the majority of haters have never used AOL, I have never had a problem EVER. I am a brand loyal kind of guy if a company does right by me they have earned my buisness and I don't care what company B offers (1/2 the price whatever) I will stick by them. I do have comcast for my connection but kept an AOL broadband account for 1.95 a month and I just log on through my cable. I have used numerous mail systems and I have never found one more reliable than the AOL default system, super easy to attach to, no limits on file sizes in my email, etc. Over the years I have had a few viruses or adware pop up (WIN ANTIVIRUSPRO) and opening firefox or IE would spawn a new window with their ad every few minutes, when using AOL's browser I never-ever get these.

I guess I am just saying unless you have legitimate personal experience with AOL ( I don't mean you tried 4.0 and it does not compare to today) then can it. If you want to give me some story about how it's impossible to remove then I hate to say it buy your PC skills are lacking or you've been told its impossible so you just don't try.

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IE and Firefox spawn ads windows for you? I haven't had one in either in years. Not even one since I installed the google toolbar way back.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but AOL used to send every household like one CD offering X ammount of free hours a week, that was enough to annoy most people.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2006 09:03 Edited at: 16th Nov 2006 09:12
that even reached all the way down under a few years ago now, in sydney when they were handing out AOL free online cd's in the city.
to be fair though Apple had an internet portal area akin to AOL's inner sanctum internet, if anyone had a powerpc 75 mhz or around that era would know as it came with the machine partly on CDrom, which made the new user think the internet was really fast but it was a combination of CDROM media and internet hyperlink shells. sneaky.
its a form of mass communication or marketing.
ironically marketing theologys are like living entities that people ignore/ like/ or just plain hate. weird.

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Quote: "In america we laugh at aol just as much as anywhere else. I remember afriend of mine taking 50 of their cds from a post office and using them as flinging disks. I don't know anyone who does much on the internet who would be caught dead on aol. Until this thread I'd almost forgotten aol existed."


If I'm helping somebody with printers or whatever and they include an AOL CD I sometimes tell them "Hey, they included a frisbee too!".
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if you microwave them for a second it makes purddy lights and the result is nice n crackly drink coasters

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.. And a broken microwave.

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Not according to Myth Busters! I wouldn't personly do it mind.

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Oh, those X number of free hour deals were hilarious sometimes! I did the math once, and it came out that you would need to spend 22.5 hours a day to use it all up. I can't imagine how bad for you that would be...

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They were not the only people to do it mind, there was alot of free hours. But this was of cause back in the bad old days of 56.6k modems.

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Quote: "Ummm what about the big bit of bloated software you are running now? Oh what's it called? Oh yes, WINDOWS"

Windows 2000 with only what I need installed. Runs perfect for me for years. And I'll never run vista after using the last beta.
Oh, and I also run Mac on a regular basis, not windows.

Quote: "As for icons and software everywhere. Seriously what are you smoking"

desktop, quick launch, start menu, internet bookmarks. You don't find that a little absurd? Do I really need a link to aol everywhere i look?


Quote: "If you don't like bloatware, you're using the wrong sort of machine."

You're not a linux fanboy are you?

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Quote: "Windows 2000 with only what I need installed. Runs perfect for me for years. And I'll never run vista after using the last beta.
Oh, and I also run Mac on a regular basis, not windows."


I perfere windows 2000 myself. XP was a useless shell upgrade and little more. I mean, seriously who in their right mind would want a badly animated cgi dog with a speech bubble, everytime they did a search? The new shell is cluttered with information I don't need 24/7, and am quite capable of finding out with a simple right click and properities. Vista is even bloody worse, transparent, resource consuming graphics, side gadgets that steal desktop space, and lots of little resource consuming features doomed to slow down the fastest of PC's.

But even windows 2000 is bloatware. Several hundred megabytes of data, just to boot up your PC? I bet they could do it with far less, and keep the interface. Just because we have masses of storage these days doesn't mean MS should try and fill it up! Games, I can understand, a hell of alot of media and graphic goes into them. The more storage the better quaility the graphics. Easy peasy, but windows has consistantly always been much larger or equal in size to most games of it's generation, which leads me to beleives theres' a heck of a lot of "dirty" code there produced by increasingly inefficant compilers.

But upon saying all that, I tend to think of any application that requires windows as bloatware, AOL included, it's just no where near my top list of offenders.

Quote: "desktop, quick launch, start menu, internet bookmarks. You don't find that a little absurd? Do I really need a link to aol everywhere i look?"


Naw, standard practice. Most ISP's do it. Besides a left click, and delete, end of problem. Doesn't take more than a few minutes, and won't have to be redone until your next reinstallation.

Quote: "You're not a linux fanboy are you?"


I love the idea of linux, but dislike it's execution. The ease of hardware setup and software installation under windows is second to none. Having said that, linux is definately closer to my idea of what size and operating system should be. It's got a GUI interface, tons of libary's including OpenGL and OpenAL (cross platform equviliant of DirectX) the package usually comes with a ton of software, such as openoffice, firefox, and just about everything else you require on a daily basis. Yet it all fits in about the same amount of space as Windows does, which comes with... not much of anything really except the most basic applications, certainly nothing as comprehensive as OpenOffice. I also accept that this is a somewhat broad statement, because redhat is several DVD's, but again this is down to the sheer weight of libary data and software applications. While Ubuntu fits on one CD-ROM and contains the day to day stuff you'll need, rather then developement stuff.

If they get decent hardware support, a better hardware management and installation system, along with a more effective software installation method, then I'd happily swap over. But until that day, I reluctantly accept that windows is the best PC based operating system currently around.

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Quote: "I love the idea of linux, but dislike it's execution."

I have to agree with that.


Do you know what that OS was called that supposedly is compatible with Windows software, yet is less than a few hundred MB installed?

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Wine is a linux based windows emulator, the other is ReactOS, http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html I dunno how far long it is, but it's only 15.6Mb in size, and according to their website it's compatible or partly functional with 237 different drivers and applications. Including Unreal Tournament, Deus Ex and quake 1/2. Have not tested this out myself so I've only got their word for it.

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