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Hobgoblin Lord
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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 16:37
Quote: "Are you getting these facts from history books or hollywood blockbusters?"


While the french navy was important for the threat it posed to the British, the French spent far more time and effort attempting to capture assets in the West Indies then actually directly assisting in the war. They did provide monetary support to the revolutionaries but for the majority of the war the (eventual US) used privateers to break up the British navy since the French navy was busy with it's own interests while Britan was distracted. The French fought one decent battle in Chesapeake Bay, cutting off Cornwallis's supplies while Washington surrounded him. The Spanish Navy actually was far more helpful then the French. The French officially entered the war in 1778, but did not show up till 1781.

So yes from history books, and visiting the numerous museams and battlefields of the war that surround me.

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@ Seppuku Arts

Yeah, learning swedish isn't a bad start. Once you know swedish enough you'll understand most Norwegian and Danish also because they are pretty similar languages....nifty bonus there.

Offtopic? nah.... what a comfy thread. People from everywere join to discuss everything from politics, history to marriage and education.

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 17:08
Now, I may be repeating rumours (although, I looked into this a while ago) you won't generally get a green card unless...

A) You have a degree, or
B) You have 10 years experience in your chosen profession, and can be demonstrated to be an expert.

They don't offer green cards to random unskilled workers, officially.

When I was over there, the company I was helping out were quite keen to headhunt myself and fellow level designers because level designers with company loyalty are a bit trickier to find in the US (there's more of a percieved atmosphere of roving level designers, who leave when they feel like it - this was from the company management's mouths, I'm sure there are exceptions). I'm sure that'll change, but they couldn't have me anyway, because A) I have no degree, and B) for the very reason they wanted me - I don't just up and leave a company at the drop of a hat.

I believe I signed up for the green card lottery several years ago, just because I could, but there's been nothing back from that. I doubt these days that I'd go even if I 'won'. (Nothing against the US, I just like the UK better, despite higher wages for level designers.)

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 17:43
France did indeed assist America, especially in Yorktown. However, at the time, America was kind of anti-royalist (since they were revolting against it in the first place) and didn't 'officially' regard France as an ally. Meh.


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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 20:18
Quote: "Yeah, learning swedish isn't a bad start. Once you know swedish enough you'll understand most Norwegian and Danish also because they are pretty similar languages....nifty bonus there."


Cool, seems like I found a website that teaches languages for free, I'll see how good it is. I also want to learn a lot of language, learning languages is something enjoy, hence programming become a hobby (As I am trying to learn a lot of languages within that too )


As for going off topic, I'd learn to live with it, simply because you will find most forums will go off topic when interesting points are made, most people who go off topic will not have an answer specifically for your post, if they do, they say it first. If you want myself to say something meaningful to this post, I'll try, I'm not aware of specific procedures when moving to a country, but I'm sure you'd need to secure a home there before doing so, obviously, it's not animal crossing where some guy gets you a house on the train I'd visit the country, look at what house you want, and start looking at certain procedures you may face to move in there, the documents you need etc. So incidentally, you'll want to make sure you can definitely live in that country and that you know you'll be purchasing that house, or have made your first payment on it or whatever. It may seem damn obvious, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to miss out the obvious things.

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 20:40
Ive been talking to friends about this on MSN and it seems its not that good of an idea. I think I should just travel, and part time rent homes while I do, no harm in renting on holiday is there? (as long as I dont start working )
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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 21:05 Edited at: 19th Jan 2007 21:39
You could essentially buy a timeshare (The evil word!) or some sort of holiday home there. If you don't want to stay at one place at a time, then yes travelling is a good idea, something I am interested in doing, the world is full of great and wonderful countries, which is one of the reasons when I become a journalist my greatest ambition would be to work for something like the National Geographic where I will be able to travel the world.

Also, I just grabbed that Swedish learning app, its not too bad, probably will teach me bad grammar I don't know, but its fun, has correlation with German, which I did expect, knowing they are all of the same origin... so I say..hej då!

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 21:40
Thats kind of what I want to do too, but only with a camera, not words. I would love to travel the world with a documentary team.
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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 21:48
Quote: "I would love to travel the world with a documentary team."


How's the air up there in the clouds? I'm sure we'd all love to waltz around with a camera for years with a documentary team---- but if you're seriously considering moving to the US then what's stopping you from just renewing your visa every few years?

By the way, you'd better have some kind of career backup, as last time I checked they weren't making many wildlife and nature documentaries in California Unless you're referring to TV's The OC, which is a docudrama based on realistic Cali teens

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 22:38 Edited at: 19th Jan 2007 22:43
I heard that it was quite difficult (esp. these days) unless you get employment. But the best way, by far, is to have relatives out there. If you have that then no probs apparently. I was considering buying a Floridian house a while back (one of those amazingly large places with huge pools that are seriously cheap, although are mainly made out of wood but luckily are not in the areas that things not made out of brick fall over with a bit of wind are ) and it looked pretty bad without relatives or deffo employment (even though I would own the property outright, have a degree, and could live for a few years without a job on my money in the bank). In the end my parents and sisters family moved to Cyprus instead. So I did too. I have a nice view of the sea now Could do with my own pool mind....

Oh yeah, it turns out later that I find out quite a lot of my dad's family moved from Wales about 50 years ago to find a better life across the pond. Annoyingly they are seriously Welsh and moved to Patagonia because there is a strong Welsh community there. They even have places with Welsh names there apparently. Typical. Stupid coal mining people don't seem to like Disney etc.

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 22:47
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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 22:50
Quote: "How's the air up there in the clouds?"
I actually shared a hot tub with this bird once who did travel documentaries for Sky travel (Sky being the main satallite company in the UK). She was actually the producer and set all the things up. Sounded like an ace job. Apart from the fact she complained she didn't get a chance to form any decent relationships being out of the country all the time. I didn't really take much of it in though as she had smashing ****. Heh, good olde late friday nights (it's almost midnight here).

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 22:51
Dazzag, was it hard moving to Cyprus at all, or was it quite easy to do so?

America doesnt seem so friendly as in terms of letting you live there any more. Maybe I should check out other places?
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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 22:58
Yeah, pretty easy. Had to go to sort out my car today (importing a car is a total pain and totally against EU rules with their "duty" they try and make you pay) and you have to go to a government office a few times to sort out a few things, but is pretty straight forward. Plus they drive on the correct side of the road And all the signs are like in the UK. Infact feels like the UK with better weather really.

Personally because of the whole "harder to get into" aspect that seems to be going on in the US, then I would consider Canada or Australia for English speaking places. For me though Australia was too far from my family, and Canada is too cold for her (she is cold when it gets around 19 degrees here).

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 23:05
Maybe ill look into Australia, one day. But I think Ill just travel untill I feel Iam the right age to actually settle down and buy a home.
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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 23:21
Quote: "How's the air up there in the clouds? I'm sure we'd all love to waltz around with a camera for years with a documentary team"

Yup, its only the skilled and lucky that actually do, but you can have an aim, if the aim is difficult, the more you're going to do to achieve it, if you don't achieve it, look back at what you have achieved and you will find you've done quite well, assuming you chose the right career

If you want to travel the world, get a job with a lot of holidays, like politician or teacher or in management (get someone else to do that job)

Quote: "Infact feels like the UK with better weather really. "


So nothing like the UK then?

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Posted: 19th Jan 2007 23:56
Quote: "I'd bet a large sum of money that France helped the US win the revolutionary war, something that has long since been forgotten by many neocons in our day. Without France there would be no USA."

Yeah, anyone educated in America knows that . If you've even briefly studied the American Revolution, you should know that the turning point of the war was the Battle of Saratoga, because we beat the British and France figured it was worth trying to help. And in Yorktown (the last battle of the war) the French assisted by blocking reinforcement and escape by sea.

Quote: "And without the help of the US there would be no democratic France (French Revolution), no modern France (WW1 Help, AND WW2 Liberation)... so score 1 for french help, score 3 for US help."

Yup, but noone notices the help the US gives people, only the little help we get .

I don't understand why so many people hate America/Americans, when if you ask most people here if they hate Europeans/Asians, they will say no.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 00:50 Edited at: 20th Jan 2007 00:55
Quote: "I don't understand why so many people hate America/Americans"

one of the big reasons is because we're (yes i'm american) morally messed up and we export that. I've been overseas twice (Hong Kong and India) for about a month each time... and... well let's just say that you have to be careful what you do because it can be interpreted wrong... sometimes they'll assume you mean something worse because that's what their image of an american would mean .. suffice it to say that some of them think that americans are there to rape, steal, plunder, and destroy... which is really the kind of message you can send when your movies are full of things that in their culture is extremely inappropriate.

It's probably different than that in the UK and some other places (China and India are both.. err... how should i say this... religious?... )

(not saying that's good or bad, don't want this to spiral into the pit of flame wars )

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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 01:07 Edited at: 20th Jan 2007 01:08
Here look, just read my post and you'll know all:
NOTE : I haven't read all the above posts..

In the American Revolution, France gave us money to fight the Brits. End of story. About the French Military fights, this picture sums it up:


I rest my case.

please forgive me about my forum name.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 01:18 Edited at: 20th Jan 2007 01:20
that's odd... i got 988,000 for "French military victories"

(though i did get 1,850,000 for "French military defeats"... but in reality, that's probably just people making fun of the french.)

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@Peter H: It's just a joke, click on the first link under french military victories .

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oh lol

anyway, i'm off to eat pizza... you guys can have fun.. doing whatever it is you're doing.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 01:38
Quote: "I don't understand why so many people hate America/Americans"


Government mostly, perhaps this whole 'typical American image', someone who hates American's because they're Americans is a racist idiot, but to hate an American because he is a persistent act before you think arrogant b***** then it is okay to hate him. I dislike the American government, but then I dislike the English government and a lot of the newer 'typical English' types, hence I wanna move before the Labour party destroys all that I love about England (Of course putting up a fight first) But reasons behind all those, I'll leave out, simply because it would be a political discussion, best avoided here.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 01:43
Has any one been to Japan? That would be another cool place I would like to visit.
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Quote: "perhaps this whole 'typical American image', someone who hates American's because they're Americans is a racist idiot, but to hate an American because he is a persistent act before you think arrogant b***** then it is okay to hate him."

And that's the problem, people seem to hate Americans before they get to know them, just because of the stereotypes surrounding them (which many, like most stereotypes, are untrue). Of course if anyone is rude/annoying, then it's okay to hate them, but it's just annoying when people stereotype a whole country's population that way .

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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 05:26
Guys, tone down on country bashing please.

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As respectfully as possible, I would consider somewhere else. I cant speak for the country as a whole, but in Florida, the over crowding is enough to drive you mad. Not to mention all the tourists! I personally plan to move to Australia when I grow of age, but Japan looks enticing to. (I have a thing for Asian chicks )

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Haha, there it was. I was expecting SOMEONE to mention it in this thread. oh come on, Admit it guys! It's not about the culture or all the rather interesting geeky stuff you can buy there. It all boils down to the chicks, doesn't it?

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lol, i had to edit out the japanese word for "tomorrow" as it was "bad language".

Don't know if i buildt that sentence up correctly, but hey i'm improving.

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Omg! I'm soo gonna show off to all my friends now!

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I live in America and the only thing I have to tell you is if you think it's cheap to live here wait until you get your hospital bill...


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Posted: 20th Jan 2007 10:52
Quote: "I live in America and the only thing I have to tell you is if you think it's cheap to live here wait until you get your hospital bill..."


Quite the opposite in the UK, its expensive to live here, but you don't need to worry about hospital bill.

Quote: "but it's just annoying when people stereotype a whole country's population that way"


It is, but people stereotype all of the time, I'm sure you're annoyed with the people who stereotype Muslims (I do, I had a right go at someone for suggesting that Muslims as all suicide bombers, I told him to say that in front of these two Muslims girls we have in sixth form) It's partially racist and really annoying, but people will do it anyway.

Quote: "I have a thing for Asian chicks"


Well in that case, avoid China or Japan, go to the county of Gloucestershire in England and the cottswolds, you'll find a hell of a lot of Asian tourists, if you're shallow, then I'll say the best looking ones I say were Japanese tourists visiting Slaughter, but bear in mind slaughter doesn't get many tourists.

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To become a citizen go to bush and say "I Hate Iraq" i thought everyone knew :/

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Erm, thats not wise to post....

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that sounded like a failed joke.

Any who America is alright, just like the UK with backwards roads and bigger meal portions I suppose. More fat people,ignorance is abundant and no one will get your allusions to any British T.V. shows. In fact most people in California don't even know what an allusion is.

I'd like to move to the UK, mainly because I want one of those cool accents. I figure if I stay there long enough it will come naturally.

Seppuku: Can you point me in the direction of these language learning apps?

oh and

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I know when you say Rammstein you really mean James Brown

Rammsteins lyrics are either really good or just so horrible that it makes me hate them.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 09:00
Quote: "It's probably different than that in the UK and some other places (China and India are both.. err... how should i say this... religious?.."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you aren't suggesting the UK is really religious? I mean that would be pretty funny. Especially considering we view the US as one of those countries who can be a bit nutty when it comes to religion. Yuck yuck. UK is practically completely non-religious these days. Apart from ethnic minorities. But clues in the name there fokes.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 09:16 Edited at: 21st Jan 2007 09:49
@ Me Self

This thread has been going because it has been kept mostly clean, but your post was highly uneccesary and only enforce the "ban" on Politics talk on the TGC forum. Please don't ruin it for all of us who actually like to talk about politic issues on a "less flammable" basis.

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Quote: "Especially considering we view the US as one of those countries who can be a bit nutty when it comes to religion"


It certainly seems that way seeing the US from the outside, yes. I'm not gonna go into the more hardcore religious stuff going on over there, but one popular prhase "god bless the USA" is offensive to all other nations, yet is used like they don't care.

I'm not the religous one, so it doesn't really bother me much, but hearing it over and over again on different places/media can get on ones nerve sometimes.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 15:51 Edited at: 21st Jan 2007 15:55
Quote: "Seppuku: Can you point me in the direction of these language learning apps?"


Yeah sure, I stumbled upon some through google, and some from the 'foxlingo' Firefox plugin. The ones I have looked at include:

There are lite versions of the software, you won't learn everything from it, but it gives you a good word/phrase bank and if perfect for getting the pronunciation when you have no money to pay for software/books
http://www.byki.com/

And here's two on Swedish that I've been looking at (The second one seems to have symbol issues in Firefox, try IE if you must)
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/a/d/adr10/swedish.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1290/


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Yes please avoid the political jokes in that sort of manner, very surprisingly the thread, as grandma has said has been clean of it. I dislike Bush and his politics, but some comments are best left from a thread, there will always be those who are offended Cheers.

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Quote: "but one popular prhase "god bless the USA" is offensive to all other nations, yet is used like they don't care."

You do realize though that the United States was founded by highly religious people (Puritans, Quakers, other break offs of the British King's church), and therefore much of our Constitution is based off of religious principles and morals. It's not any different really than some people in the streets of the Middle East (I'm mainly thinking Iraq and Iran, before anyone jumps on me) chanting Islamic sayings and even taunting American's with them.

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Yes, i was somewhat aware of that, it's just that it's everywhere now...kinda implying god favors USA above all else. Well whatever makes you sleep good at night.

Quote: "It's not any different really than some people in the streets of the Middle East (I'm mainly thinking Iraq and Iran, before anyone jumps on me) chanting Islamic sayings and even taunting American's with them."


I don't know about you, but if i lived there i wouldn't be so happy with the US myself. I mean more innocents have died than real terrorists.

In any war there is bound to be civilian casualties, but the war of terror has an ugly ratio.

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Quote: "Yes, i was somewhat aware of that, it's just that it's everywhere now...kinda implying god favors USA above all else. Well whatever makes you sleep good at night."


Eh God Bless America (which is the saying and song) does not refer to the USA being God's favorite, but to asking for protection/health/ etc. Similar to when some one says "God Bless You" after you sneeze.

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God bless you originated in times of the plague when sneezing was a symptom of the plague. People said god bless you, it really was anice way of saying "you are probably screwed"

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 19:52 Edited at: 21st Jan 2007 19:54
Quote: "Eh God Bless America (which is the saying and song) does not refer to the USA being God's favorite, but to asking for protection/health/ etc. Similar to when some one says "God Bless You" after you sneeze."


I weren't saying that's what it meant, i was saying that's what it's kinda implying. Can be two very differnet things actually.

An example: almost on a weekly basis i get misunderstood and people hear what the words imply, not mean. I get enemies because of that. The meaning can often be white while what it implies gets black. It's a bad example, but i hope you understand what im sweating about explaining here.

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@ oddmind, cool didn't know that, lol btw

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 20:24
God save the queen! It's really patriotism as opposed to anything, everyone who believes their cause and is founded upon certain religions will believe themselves to be doing things in the name of God and that they are righteous in the eyes of God. I think its a misinterpretation more than anything, you may be reading in it too much, I know what you're trying to say though dude. The monarchy in England and the American rule were built in the name of Christianity, its going to refer themselves as being blessed by God, not the favourite, but on his side. I am neither Christian or for the monarchy, but I don't see why there should be a problem around it, it just pushes more and more into political correctness, which is something that will eventually kill free speech.

As for implications, you'd be a fool for looking at something ambiguous, take your perception of what it means and use it against you, I'd say the same for your enemies.

So I think you must be explaining things badly or mistaken, you seem to be looking at the possibility of people being offended, rather than people actually being offended In turn you might be offending others. The irony is, you may be implying something you don't mean right now, and incidentally you could make enemies. Which is why any form of religion or politics is left out from the forums. (I'm saying this, because I did it over a year a go )

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 21:49
Quote: "Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you aren't suggesting the UK is really religious? "

not sure why you say "aren't" there... but i was definitely not suggesting that the UK is religious lol (correct me if i'm wrong but that's what seems to be the case from what i've heard) ...

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 22:19
@Grandma: We are fighting a different war this time around though, it is a NEW war. It is the first generation of this new war, where every building is a potential target because terrorists aren't afraid to stay in apartment buildings with civilians, have car bombs that kill civilians and soldiers, ect. You have to kind of put that in perspective as well.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 22:35 Edited at: 21st Jan 2007 22:38
@ Seppuku Arts

ok

@ Steve J

I have that nicely in perspective, and what i think about it is that it's past the "too much for too little" point, also it goes past geneva. The war was based on lies from the beginning. No i'm not neccesarily referring to 9/11 on that(and let's not go there), but the WMD "threat", saddam supporting al-quada and so on. Lies. I don't like being lied to and those who do lie to me in such serious issues instantly loose my support.

This war goes on my personal top one list of uneccesary wars in the #1 spot. Too much death, and for what? It will only make people angrier and therefore create more terrorism.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 22:49
All wars are based on lies, its only this one was a found out lie. I though you would realize that? Besides, it does have a point. Setting up a potential democracy in the middle east to actually have a permanent alliance in the area. Then set up a democracy in surrounding countries, ect. That is our goal. I think our closer goal should be to disestablish China, turning it against itself. But thats just imo..

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 23:28
Quote: "All wars are based on lies, its only this one was a found out lie. I though you would realize that?"


So because all wars are based on lies it is OK with you? Still not OK imo. Two negatives don't equal a right, or in this case, numerous negatives.

...well, i need some sleep now, so don't excpect a reply too soon to whatever you have on your chest about this.

@ Seppuku

Just incase my "OK" implied something else than what it meant
You won the debate, congrats. Seems it's just me then having some problems with hearing that saying so many times, but as i said in my first post, It doens't really bother me THAT much. You guys made a chicked out of a two legs, a couple of feathers and a skeleton.

Let's cut to commercials.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 23:34
haha, its been this way for thousands of years, you can be as pissed as you want, but this is the way it will go on because people ARE stupid. Trust me, I was mad at it when I learned about all this, but going deeper, you realize that there is no justified war, only people that wont look far enough to realize its not justified. Your going to have to live with it, because the majority wont change right now, they will always just blame the immediate problem, not the real issue.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 23:40
Quote: "but the WMD "threat","


Eh, he did have them, he used em on his own people. The UN knew it hence why they had the inspections. Those weapons dissapeared (probably into Syria) as of now there are still hundreds of containers of Sarin Gas unaccounted for. As for the Al Queda link, I do not think Saddam personally gave anything to anyone from 9/11, or perhaps even to Al Queda itself, but he made it easy for such organizations to live and train in his country.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2007 23:43 Edited at: 21st Jan 2007 23:43
@ Steve J

You just cathed my last F5 there. yes, that's the horrible truth that we face. The pillar of human destructiveness. I won't embrace it.

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