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Benjamin
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Quote: "It was when we first got a computer."

Well then it's not a fair comparison; when you had tried with the Mac, it took less time because you were already used to using computers.

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Quote: "You can add anything to a mac."


Sound card?

DarkBASIC?

Hell, a new monitor for some seems to be challenge enough..

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Quote: "Quote: "Macs can get viruses."

That is incorrect."


no its right, so can linux and any other o/s its all about writing a program that edits the source of a program or even the o/s itself.


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macs don't have towers

And we got a mac and a pc around the same time.


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LOL...are you making this up as you go along?

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Quote: "no its right, so can linux and any other o/s its all about writing a program that edits the source of a program or even the o/s itself."


I wouldent expect u guys to know. I hate it when people hate something without even trying it


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I swear this is all true. I don't lie


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Quote: "macs don't have towers "

I'll tell that to mine.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 22:58 Edited at: 10th Feb 2007 23:01
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http://www.apple.com/macpro/

[edit] Found infinitely more awesome, more official proof.[/edit]

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Quote: "http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=mac g5 tower"


Ok I midmit I was wrong. They don't display them at the stores. But I'm right about everything els.


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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:00
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Quote: "But I'm right about everything els."

Apart from anything you stated on this thread.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:02
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I dident start anything. I was just saying some cool stuff about macs. You guys responded and asked questions.


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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:03
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Windows can run software a bMILLION times faster than a Mac.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:05 Edited at: 10th Feb 2007 23:05
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You have no proof of that. Macs seem very fast to me


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Quote: "You guys responded and asked questions."


Sorry about that, it won't happen again on a forum, I promise.

Responding and asking questions is definitely what a forum is not good for

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:08
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Quote: "You have no proof of that. "

I dident start anything. I was just saying some cool stuff about windowz. You guys responded and asked questions. Leave me alone.

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And what cool stuff is that?


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The Pie chart one was funny.

And who exactly is going to sue apple?


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Intel if anyone.

Quote: "And what cool stuff is that?"

Well Windows runs software.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:11
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I agree. I think there all funny


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That reminds me; Did I ever mention how DarkBASIC Professional was a superior programming tool?



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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:12 Edited at: 10th Feb 2007 23:14
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No way! C++ Is uber l33t hax!

Somehow I feel this thread is going down the drain.

There's only one word to describe this. iGod.

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Me too.


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Alan, you first say:
Quote: " Adding memory takes just minutes. On a windows: an hour or 2. Maybe longer."


and then you say:
Quote: "I wouldent expect u guys to know."


yeah, you sure do know stuff about stuff..


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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:21
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Macs are great machines with alot of untapped potential, personally I will spend my money on a PC since I am big into games, and making games for a wide market.

Alan Macs can get viruses, people do not write many because if you are going to take the time to do something like that you would rather have it attack 95% of the computer population not 5%.

One thing I find funny about the Mac ads is how they keep talking about the PC as a buisness thing and Mac as the fun thing. Aside from wanting to do high end graphic or sound WORK why would most people buy a mac? certainly not for games. I see Mac as the Buisness machine (as in that is why you would want one) and a PC as the machine to buy for fun.

As for who is copying who, what does it matter, it happens in every industry. Something people like comes out and competitors rush to get their version of that option out. Mac early OS IIRC was just a clone of Geoworks, Windows later copied the style as well since a GUI gave your average joe the ability to use a computer.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:24 Edited at: 10th Feb 2007 23:27
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AlanC, I use an emac every single day, and a good deal of the people here have used macs, so don't tell us we don't know. Macs can get viruses are easily as Windows, And I've seen it happen multiple times...

I'm probably alone in this, but I really hate half of everything in osx. Not the look, but the functionality I guess. When I program on a mac, the screen gets twice as cluttered for as it does when I use a pc, as I find it just so difficult to keep track of everything. Is there an easier way on a mac to keep track of all your windows than pressing f9? If there is, I'd really appreciate if someone could tell me. It would make my life ten times easier of the hour or two I use a mac every day. So far, I've found nothing that comes close to the taskbar in windows, and I HATE needing to drag windows around the screen just so I can get back to what I was doing...

If there is a similar task bar I can use in osx, my annouance as mac will be cut in half, and I will be much happier.

In fact, I always bring my wireless mouse when work on an emac, because the ones provided have one button... easily overcome, and not actualy an os problem.

Also, I may just be the luckiest Windows user in the world, because osx has crashed about five times as much for me as xp has in the same time period.

I suppose I must be an anomaly though, because I have and use both IE7 and Firefox 2, and but I find myself using EI7 about twenty times (if not 50) as much these days.

Edit: Whoa! I shouldn't have lef the browser open so long before posting! That will teach me for trying to multitask...

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Posted: 10th Feb 2007 23:25 Edited at: 10th Feb 2007 23:27
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Quote: "According to copious amounts of research done on my end they are in fact insulting the x86 architecture."

But... new Macs use that architecture too...

Quote: ""And who exactly is going to sue apple?"
Intel if anyone."

I doubt they would sue one of their bigger customers for no apparent reason.

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Wow! A whole Anti Mac and PC debate, hmm, well that's dumb, seriously...

Can't people get it straight, it's stupid to go around saying something is crap, if it was crap, then people wouldn't use it, no point in going into the debate at which is best and which is worst, because fanboys have done that job and haven't got anywhere, these threads have cropped up here and there and no success and seeing from the justification in this thread, I don't see it going anywhere either.

*Directed at the people in the stupid debate, not everyone since my last post

I've used Macs, great experience, love using them. But cost more and don't run all of my programs without some form of emulation or running Windows through bootcamp

I've used PC's, Windows XP doesn't run well on my system spec, and it become full of Malware, Microsoft has a solution to that and it solved it, I have needed protection. But it does everything I want it to do, even if my spec effects the performance of them.

Both are good OS's, they do their job, they suit their audience and customers, they make their fair share of customers happy and as it seems their fair share of customers unhappy.


Now please, let this die, you're only going to put yourselves into a coma.

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Quote: "it seems like the Mac guy in the UK ads acting is a little forced. maybe it's just because i'm american though"


The two guys for the UK ones are top popular comedians over here. That's their style. I'll direct you to the Michell and Webb Look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gogyqc6eB9M


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Bah, PCs and Macs are both good for different things. PC's for their massive software library and extensive user base, and Macs for, um, bragging about how "I have a Mac".

Kenjar, yet another victim of NRS (N00b Relapse Syndrome) May he code in peace...

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Wow - I start a thread and leave it 24 hours and this happens! Lol...

I'm writing this on a Mac (read: OSX). Very few things are tying me to Windows now. At home its only games (including DBP) and at work its the IT Manager who doesn't support Mac's

For work I personally prefer them - things just seem easier to get to - but this is just my opinion.

I know plenty of people who cant get on with them... But I also know many people who find French easier than German, prefer Yolk to White (eggs) and many other differences in opinion. And thats all it is - opinion and preference!

But then... if its opinion and preference... how come when I went to a conference in September, with about 130 people attending (A Drupal conference in Brussels), did pretty much everyone use an Apple product as a laptop (iBook, PowerBook, MacBook and MacBook Pro)? I only recall seeing 1 "PC" based laptop (ie a machine running windows). The odds of everyone there having the same preference and opinion out of coincidence is very low

I have to say - most of the statements arguing either side in this thread so far have been VERY weak - maybe even at a level considered trolling. Some good points have emerged - but those were soon drowned out...

Its kind of a shame that posting a link to a few funny clips has turned into something like this...

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 02:23 Edited at: 11th Feb 2007 02:24
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Quote: "But... new Macs use that architecture too..."

New Macs, yes.

Quote: "I doubt they would sue one of their bigger customers for no apparent reason."

It was a joke. Don't crack your face, will you.

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Quote: "New Macs, yes."

This, in the context of your original post, does almost imply they're advertising old macs.

Quote: "It was a joke."

No, really?

Quote: "Don't crack your face, will you."

Hm, I'll think about it. Promised!

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Yes, really. You appeared to make comments based on the thought that it wasn't.

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Although those commercials do make me mad, when it comes down to it: I choose Linux.

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Did I? Oh.

Back on topic: While all the Windows commercials that I have seen (XP and Vista) were quite boring, I do like the X-Box ones (old and new). Most of them are really good.

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You know, I wish apple would FINALLY correct that "macs are not PC's" mumbo jumbo they seem to have going on. These commercials infuriate me as much as IE bashers (Seriously, these people only USE fire fox because they hate microsoft. "IE is only good for downloading Fire Fox and getting virus'", my a**).

And like IE bashers, apple has taken the "our audiance is a bunch of idiots" approach, generally making up stuff just to sell their product or over bloating issues to make them seem SERIOUS. No, (as has aready been said) macs are not immune to virus' and so WHAT about spending 5 min putting together cords to start a windows (IBM???) based computer... these are the SAME childish arguments that an IE basher would use.

So, what is apple trying to accomplish with these commercials? Make the public view them as arrogant bastards who don't know when to give in? Or are they ACTUALLY TRYING to sell PC's, because I don't think THAT is the message they are trying to pass along.

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Quote: "these are the SAME childish arguments that an IE basher would use"


First off, when were we talking about web browsers?

Quote: "And like IE bashers, apple has taken the "our audiance is a bunch of idiots" approach, generally making up stuff just to sell their product or over bloating issues to make them seem SERIOUS."


Seriously, why are you comparing IE vs. FireFox and Windows vs. Mac? They are two different fields of arguement. And why would these "IE bashers" need to sell their product when browsers such as FireFox and Opera are free?

Stop whining.

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Kaurotu - you've missed the point, although i wouldn't call the comparison childish (LH).

LH - I work as a web developer (hobby and day-job) and I HATE IE. I hate it, not because its made by M$, but because its truely a terrible browser (IE7 is better, but still annoying sometimes). FF has its own ticks, but, generally speaking, it does what you expect it to do more often - whereas IE (6 especially) tended to have a mind of its own.

But I agree, its just as wrong to bash IE because its an M$ product as it is to bash Apple just because they're poking fun at "PC's".

PS: They refer to them as PC's because the public see that as the distinction between the two. Windows run's on PC's and OSX runs on Mac's. Try convincing your mum about the differences and you're fairly garunteed to get a glazed look that implies "I dont give a crap".

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The only Mac is a Little Mac. Love the way that guy performs against King Hippo.


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Quote: " Try convincing your mum about the differences and you're fairly garunteed to get a glazed look that implies "I dont give a crap". "

Or my wife After I've told her the price, she stops listening.

Oddly enough, she wants Vista. I've never mentioned it once, ever.


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AlanC, a tutorial on the edit button is in need for you

Quote: "i hope apple get sued and go bankrupt, i hate all things apple, i've seen mp3 players that have more memory than ipods and a better user interface for cheaper than ipods, and also "mac" doesn't quite have the ring that "personal computer" does, i think that one word makes a HUGE difference, also there a various o/s that run as an expansion of windows, e.g. linux."


I totally agree with you! Make pc's 100% of the population!
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Sounds like I was ignored...

Quote: "(Seriously, these people only USE fire fox because they hate microsoft. "IE is only good for downloading Fire Fox and getting virus'", my a**)"


I use Firefox because I think Firefox is a more suitable browser, it has better security and flows nicer in my opinion, as for IE 7, the better security version of IE, I'm not a fan of its design, plus FF loads up faster. It has absolutely nothing to do with disliking Microsoft, because I don't. Plus, IE seems to acquire tool bars when I haven't even downloaded them, which is quite irritating.

Quote: "I totally agree with you! Make pc's 100% of the population!"


So what are the Mac users of the world going to do, all of the people who actually like Apple Macs and use them in their businesses etc. Just think why people use Mac and why people use PCs, and their reasons are usually justified, no love/hate relationship with the companies and what's point being a prescriptivist with computers, people use what they want to use and it satisfies them, so what if you don't like them, then don't use them, simple as that! Which is why I hate this fanboy culture.

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Quote: "Just think why people use Mac and why people use PCs, and their reasons are usually justified, no love/hate relationship with the companies and what's point being a prescriptivist with computers, people use what they want to use and it satisfies them, so what if you don't like them, then don't use them, simple as that! Which is why I hate this fanboy culture."


Ok completely unbiased, tell me right now, right here factually what are the key benefits of Mac over any PC. Not the "it has a built-in camera, video and photo editor" crap. The real facts, stuff that matters.
Please keep in mind, I do not have anything against Apple. Ipod is a mighty fine product, I just do not get the benefits of a Mac.

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Okay, I probably could do the PC over Mac benefits too, they go either way.

I won't give you the built in camera etc. crap, because my PC came with a digital camera (some laptops have them built in) and my computer came with a video and a photo editor.

-Mac OS X comes with a lot of ready software, including XCode, with Windows, you can either download DevC++ or something similar for the C++ abilities, but to have a whole software creating suite, you'd need Visual Studio (Although 2005 Express is now free to download) or a Borland Suite. And XCode isn't as ram hungry as Visual Studio.

With the built in software, there are people that prefer getting a computer with everything they need right there with out having to purchase or download extra software.

-Mac OS X offers more performance than Windows XP, I know, I've compared my system without any malware on it to a similar spec G4 Emac, the Emac didn't lag and ran quite smoothly with all of the fancy stuff still on. Programs loaded quicker, games ran without lag and my PC has the better graphics card. A good use of the ram is essential for some users, like graphics artists or 3D animators.

-No need to install drivers

-Mac OS X is no where near as prone to viruses etc. as Windows, although there have been Viruses for Macs, don't get me wrong on that one.

-The interface and navigation actually appeals to some people more than others

-Apple Macs are now intel based, with bootcamp, which means you can install a fully compatible version of Windows, to get the best of both Windows and MacOS, where you need it.

As I am not a regular Mac user, I cannot offer all of the advantages, because for me, I prefer the advantages of Windows and PC's, for example, one being the price. There are disadvantages for using and Mac and disadvantages of using PC as well as advantages.

If there weren't any advantages of using a Mac over a PC, then people would just use PCs and if PC didn't have any advantages over Macs then people would just use Macs, but the fact is, people use both.

Which is why I hate people going around saying 'Macs are crap, buy a PC' or 'PC's are crap buy a mac'. I'd rather hear some real advice, like 'You want to develop multiplatform games, I'd recommend you pick up a mac with Xcode and grab irrlicht or torque and you can do that', or 'you want to make games, and you're a beginner, grab a PC and Dark Basic'.

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[quote]That's utter crap, photoshop is photoshop[/quote[
sorry antidote, thats incorrect. you will find that recently photoshop has a lot more features on the macintosh side. its ok to be ignorant about something, but protesting it makes you look silly.

we are all programmers from different walks of life with different aspirations and experiences.
we should be proud of that.

Perhaps we should all agree that "vs" debates should be frowned upon in this forum.
If you agree we should lock "vs" posts please say yay or nay. they dont do us any justice.

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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 14:31
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"nay"

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Code Dragon
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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 14:34
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I've found bugs in Windows in my 5+ year old computer that are still bugs in my brand new computer. The amount of bugs I see in their software is unbelieveable, sometimes it can be a real pain to use the computer. But I can't switch to a Mac because everyone in my family is so used to using Windows that changing would be like moving to a different planet.

What really annoys me is people who (mostly kids who play computer games all the time) think they know everything about computers because they know how to use the Windows GUI inside and out. They have no idea that there's a bunch of other OSs out there. For example, I was showing someone that it's possible to use the computer with out a mouse by tabbing through all the programs' interfaces. I pressed enter on a command button and they said "You know, you can just press the spacebar for that. You know nothing about computers." Programming teaches you a lot about computers, so I was confident in saying "So you must know what the CPU's accumulator registrey is called, right?" And they had no idea.

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 11th Feb 2007 15:50
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Quote: "If you agree we should lock "vs" posts please say yay or nay. they dont do us any justice."


Yay.

So I don't find myself trying to defend all of these different valid points of view. Debates aren't done justice in this forum, either because people aren't mature enough, or just say comments that annoy or offend those on the opposite argument and things like the Mac vs PC debates don't work, because it's all subjective, I use a PC because I do this, I use a Mac because I do this, what is there to discuss? That we should make people who dislike using PCs use them because there are people that don't like Macs...Not logical. So in the end people just get annoyed.

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