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Skynet Games
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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 00:21
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wanna know what makes me sad? well, when i download a program that i know that i want i download what is refered to as a "Demo" basically a "trail" And honestly, i kind of depresses me because all this awesome software costs money. But i know the whole deal about that, if you pirate software the developers dont get the money to feed there famileys, fuel future project, etc..etc.. But it saddens me some times because when i finally found the program i need to make something i want to make, it costs like 200$ or even 3000$ (3ds max is roughly around that 3k) and its like WOW, i wont be able to affored that! i would have to work for like a gazillion years (Exaduration) and in honesty its not fair in some ways, and i know its not fair to steal. So basically in a way its a lose lose situation, but you know i dont let that bother me because i obide by the law and dont steal stuff... Well.. this one time i stole a HTML website builder BUT! got rid of it when i decided to buy it instead because of the cool fetures it offered ware as pirated stuff, you cant..

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Trails are fine and dandy to get use to and learn how they work. But it takes a long time to make something only to find out you cant save it, or import it, or animate it, or which ever. Now full versions can do this and the only way to get it is to buy it, and thats totally understandable. I wouldn't want some one stealing my games or software, and if they did i would have to track them down and issue them a warrent to search there machine and sue them.

Its interesting really if you think about it, on one side you want to obide by the law and get things legitly, but there is ALWAYS that slight temptation of "What if" now, the question as to "What if" has its pros and cons, pros being that yea you get the software, you get to use it and save your file or animated or what have you. But you know your stealing and you cant update what you have because the relay code with in the program will do one of to things, stop working so you cant use it. Or release a virus in to your machine, or maybe worse.

And the cons being that even tho you stole it your not really getting the pleasure out of buying something that could make you the next "john carmack" (again, exaduration) and that you run a high risk of being caught should you do anything stupid or attempt to sell it or give it to your friend who secretly is cop... (oi..)

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 00:43
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Wow... Mods, keep a close eye on this guy.

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We all payed for FPSC, why can't you?

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Well 3ds max is worth that much because the people who made it had to work really hard on it. I can't afford it, but I understand that they have to charge for it.
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If you can't afford 3ds Max get MilkShape.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 01:14
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What on earth are you going on about Skynet? Are you complaining because you have to pay for FPSC? Or are you saying you will 'aquire' a copy for free?

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:11
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Wow... Mods, keep a close eye on this guy.

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ok, dude, i havent been here very long but i can already tell you YOU are getting on my nevs. I am not a pirate nor would i ever concider it. I buy my material lik you and every one else,

What i am talking about is the fact that its a little depressing that everything game development or any kind of media costs so much. Which is often at times WAY OUT OF OUR LEAGUE, And i dont think they need to keep an eye on me. i dont steal, i buy what is here, im an honest person. And 1 i am offended you said that, and so far i can concider you an annouying forums troll so dont even get started with the flamming.

And im not complaining im just saying that it would be nice to have some software out there that woulde be concidered "freeware" and still be classified as development material, but credits should go to those who made the freeware material, everything i have ever come acrossed so far THEY WANT MONEY! and some times its money we cant get to buy it. Now if your working and getting 1000 or 2000 dollars. Fine cuddos to you, but we dont get it all that luck as some people and it really deals a low blow to those who wish to reach for a dream they want but know they cant reach for it if the $ factor is going to hit hard.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:12 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:22
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And again jenkins, this is the second time i feel insulted by you, first time its with how i made my beta then i get this. Dude its a wonder you havent been reported to a mod for making new comers feel like there not welcomed..

And i am trying to find people who sympithyse with this but know that theres nothing that could be done about it, but talking about it is nice. Maybe having programs that are free but like limit serton things, like maybe to get fully rendered and awesomed shaded games they would need to buy the program, but that wont stop them from being able to make neat games but they wont be able to have completly rendered levels, textures, characters, weapons, etc..etc..

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:29
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I could care less if I'm getting on your nerves.

And yes I'm a troll. I'm a troll because you come in here posting about how you have this desire to pirate because you can't buy stuff. I'm a troll because I point out the stupidity of this entire thread. So if that is what truly makes a person a troll, then I am in fact a troll.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:33 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:38
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I could care less if I'm getting on your nerves.

And yes I'm a troll. I'm a troll because you come in here posting about how you have this desire to pirate because you can't buy stuff. I'm a troll because I point out the stupidity of this entire thread. So if that is what truly makes a person a troll, then I am in fact a troll.

Look, im not looking to pirate stuff, im pointing out things that other people have done, i havent pirated once accept that one time. Havent done it sense then, and incase you havent read the new thread by keithC then i suggest you do, YOU need to keep your mouth shut, and dont point your finger at me and try to label me as a pirate you a-hole

And no i dont have this so called "Desier" to pirate my stuff, my stuff consists of stuff i buat and payed for or got as freeware..

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:37
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Quote: "and dont point your finger at me and try to label me as a pirate you a-hole"

Oh you noobs make me laugh sometimes.

And I'm missing the whole part where I did something wrong.

Quote: "first time its with how i made my beta then i get this"

What beta?

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:39 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:40
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sorry keith i need to borrow your post

this is from keith
The old saying "If you've got nothing nice to say, don't say nothing at all" applies to this community. In other words, if someone's asked a question that has been asked/answered many times over; either help them out, or don't respond.

Posts that include something to the effect of "Read the Manual", "Do a Search", "Stop pushing our relevant threads down", etc.; will no longer be tolerated. This community needs to understand that new people are in fact welcomed here. If you feel the need to use the FPSC Boards as a form of personal therapy, by putting others down or berating them for asking a question...then you need to find a new home.

If someone has issue with a particular thread or post...contact an FPSC Mod about it. Don't bash the person (aka start a flamewar) openly.

If your "relevant thread" gets bumped to page 2; simply enter a post like "I still need help with this problem", etc. That will bring it back up.

Again....this is now the RULE here, please abide by it or leave.

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Read that and hold your tongue

im also sure this goes for turnning this in to a flame session..

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:42
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Did you start this whole thread because you can't afford a $50 (or $20 from the TGC store) piece of software?

Or am I missing something? Are you talking about something else?

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:45 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:46
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How is this going to turn into a flame war? It's rather chilly on my side of the computer. Not sure about yours though.

Quote: "Did you start this whole thread because you can't afford a $50 (or $20 from the TGC store) piece of software?

Or am I missing something? Are you talking about something else?
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No one knows.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:46 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:48
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no i started it to begin a conversation about how hard it is to get a peace of software you want from either FPSC or any other software vender out there when money is hard to come by and when people struggle to make ends meet they some times resort to piracy which is NOT the way to go, and even though they do it, there is always going to be reprocussions to that ... however dispite how cool a trial program is it would be nice to have the whole thing but the way the prices are. Its like WOW from time to time...and i mean FPSC is a little high with 50$ but for good reason, just some times would be nice if a peace of software didnt cost that much..

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Quote: "Well.. this one time i stole a HTML website builder BUT! got rid of it when i decided to buy it instead because of the cool fetures it offered ware as pirated stuff, you cant.."


I find that super super hard to believe.
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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:48 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:48
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I enjoy these threads, they make for a good laugh

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Ha! This is so stupid. Download darkgdk, its free, if that's what you really want. But if its that you think FPSC is too expensive, well write your own engine.
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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:50 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:52
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find that super super hard to believe.

whys that? that i would rather go legit instead of steal my stuff? you have the right to your opinion but i have the box it came in right beside me. as well as adobe and a few other programs, and this isnt a laughing matter. because i think piracy is wrong, im against it,


Ha! This is so stupid. Download darkgdk, its free, if that's what you really want. But if its that you think FPSC is too expensive, well write your own engine.

i dont have a decent C++ compiler, i know theres express but it has limitations

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Just wanna add, if you did make that engine, would you give it out for free or sell it? After all of that work...
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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:53 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:55
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why not? i would give it out, i would build better engines anyway, just gotta stay one step ahead of the downloaders... rellease one game engine get to work on another...

i would just ask the game maker to put me in there if they make a game using my engine.. if not then there open for a lawsuit end of story..

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 02:55 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 02:55
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Ooohhh now I see what insulted you the first time lol! That's funny.

For those that haven't seen it I said he needs a lot of practice before he starts planning on selling a game. And then he rants about what I would feel like if people said it to me. Of course he's saying that like people haven't said it to me lol.

Anyways... is it about time that we have this thread locked lol?

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Im not done with you yet jenkins, im sure you where a "noob" at one time too, and that was a beta i told you, i wasnt going to sell it. I was showing what i had done so far it still needed a lot of work, it was still a beta and in its rough stages. And i said there would be many more to come meaning updated stuff to it, landscaps, better fabrications of the insides. The whole 9 yards, you must have assumed i was going to sell it in that state. WHAT ASRE YOU NUTS!! next time ask, anyway back on topic.

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Game creation= MONEY. Period. sorry but thats how life goes. be thankfull u got (or getting) and easy-to-use game creation software (FPSC) for you to get a jump start in game design. or, If u got great skill, (Like many other ppl other there in these forums) u can create maybe the next half-life 2 or whatever. but if u can't afford it, then what do u want ppl to do give u check eith all the money on it. I think 3ds Max is worth the 3K (Even tho, i can get for 50% off) its just shows that u care for what u make and u realy serious about game design. Look for a software called "MilkShape" and look into this Thread about a tut for makeing a great game in FPSC Click here: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=131868&b=21

If yuo don't have the time and patence for FPSC, your not gonna go anywhere with it. if u don't have enoght money for the great stuff out there, there is alternatives to what u can get.

Quote: "Wow... Mods, keep a close eye on this guy."


mods, better watch me, too. I do pirate but only for music soundtracks and videos. Software, Nah thats something I can locked up for. other soundtracks I bought. but keep a close eye on me too not gonna lie about it. I FPSC BTW from CompUSA.

so there u got it. I might gotta do ban time for this...

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:03 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:04
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No, I didn't assume you were going to sell it in that state. That doesn't mean you don't need practice with FPSC. You do in fact need to practice some more with FPSC. Heck, I still need to practice with FPSC if I ever intend to get serious.

I was a noob once. I still consider myself rather noobish at times actually.

Quote: "mods, better watch me, too. I do pirate but only for music soundtracks and videos. Software, Nah thats something I can locked up for. other soundtracks I bought. but keep a close eye on me too not gonna lie about it. I FPSC BTW from CompUSA."

Haha, and why exactly would you tell people that?

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:05
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Well making a new comer feel like he isnt wanted isnt going to help bring two people together to share ideals and such... remember that, tone down the troll music will ya

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Quote: "Haha, and why exactly would you tell people that?"


becase am not cheap, and i hate lying in the internet.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:09 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:10
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Quote: "Well making a new comer feel like he isnt wanted isnt going to help bring two people together to share ideals and such... remember that, tone down the troll music will ya"

That's how new comers are supposed to feel

I blare my troll music and it just so happens the volume control thingy broke. So it looks like the music stays on.

Quote: "becase am not cheap, and i hate lying in the internet."

Interesting....

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what do u mean by that? If gonna start with me, don't do it.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:16 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:17
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jenkins, dont start with me, i dont pirate my stuff so leave it at that. I know better, doing that could get my butt thrown in jail and i dont want to face a 50 or even 60 thousend darller fine before i even begin to get my gaming business up and running, right now im trying to make a a community some what like this but selling decent games that offer an interesting story, world envierment and more. Right now i dont have the software to do it so im using fpsc and i like it, i can sell what i made in due time. Games arent built over night.

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there will be more videos coming but with more stuff in them, segments, entites, better fabrication, it just takes time. i dont have dark basic pro yet, and dark GDK needs a better C++ compiler then C++ express..

and im sure im still missing a lot of the needed software to even import my own stuff in to fpsc, like 3ds max 8 or higher a good C++ compiler, and what ever else i need. i just need a list of what is needed to make modeles to import in to fpsc and so on and so forth

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:18 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:19
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Quote: "jenkins, dont start with me, i dont pirate my stuff so leave it at that. I know better, doing that could get my butt thrown in jail and i dont want to face a 50 or even 60 thousend darller fine before i even begin to get my gaming business up and running, right now im trying to make a a community some what like this but selling decent games that offer an interesting story, world envierment and more. Right now i dont have the software to do it so im using fpsc and i like it, i can sell what i made in due time. Games arent built over night."


I agree on the first part. The mods will come here soon so am gonna do some ban time and this thread might get locked with all the agruing and insults throw left and right here.

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Ban time? why because you download.....oh... right...

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Quote: "what do u mean by that? If gonna start with me, don't do it"

What the hell is wrong with people?!!? I just found that interesting. You pirate software and tell people. That's not something most people do, therefore I found it interesting.

My God people.

Quote: "jenkins, dont start with me"

What on Earth did I say that even implies that I'm trying to start something?

That's great, you're trying to get serious about game design. I said you need a lot of practice. You don't magically start amazing at this stuff whether you think you do or not. Everyone needs practice end of story. In no way is that insulting. If you feel insulted then just suck it up, you'll get over it.

It's newcomers like you that can't handle any criticism at all that make me appear to be a "troll." Whether my criticism is constructive or not, it's still fact.

Quote: ""Your greatest teacher is your harshest critic"-Butterfingers"

Let's just leave it at that quote.

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yeah, so am gonna ride wit other ban imates other there. lolz

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there will be more videos coming but with more stuff in them, segments, entites, better fabrication, it just takes time. i dont have dark basic pro yet, and dark GDK needs a better C++ compiler then C++ express..

and im sure im still missing a lot of the needed software to even import my own stuff in to fpsc, like 3ds max 8 or higher a good C++ compiler, and what ever else i need. i just need a list of what is needed to make modeles to import in to fpsc and so on and so forth"


i gotta learn C++ and everything else. but am too lazy.....

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Quote: "What the hell is wrong with people?!!? I just found that interesting. You pirate software and tell people. That's not something most people do, therefore I found it interesting.

My God people."


watch how u post things cuzz some ppl like me find that offensive...

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I said "Interesting..." How in God's name can that be insulting? Maybe people like you should take the time to understand what is being posted.

Please lock this before I actually start to get mad

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:28 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:32
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Should i download C++ C# and the rest of those express programs to begin with game design to use dark gdk?

jenkins quit trying to get the last work in, if anything needs to be locked its your account. 1 for being a troll and 2 giving new comers grief, and your critisizum WAS NOT constructive, you said i need a lot of practice true, but what i also said, the way you made it sound was like "You suck! uninstall FPSC and get lost" and 2 you pointed a finger at me calling me a pirate, you point a finger at me buddie and three point right back at you.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:32 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:32
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Quote: "I said "Interesting..." How in God's name can that be insulting? Maybe people like you should take the time to understand what is being posted. "


am not gonna start wit u. Watch your post. Thats that and take the time to give other ppls respect. If u don't know what wrong u did u really have a problem.

Quote: "Should i download C++ C# and the rest of those express programs to begin with game design to use dark gdk?"


Am not the right guy for that. I would go for C++ first then Dark-gdk. but am still too lazy to do even that. i gotta start this stuff soon or later...

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:34
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The express editions or the full retail version? if its the retail version then im SOL but if its the express edition then hell yea, i can do that then get the dark gdk... but how the hell do you open the thing?

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Quote: "The express editions or the full retail version? if its the retail version then im SOL but if its the express edition then hell yea, i can do that then get the dark gdk... but how the hell do you open the thing?"


like i said, am not the guy to ask cuzz i really don't know. i onlt repair PCs and thats it. am gonna get into stuff like that next year hopefully.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2008 03:38 Edited at: 26th Sep 2008 03:44
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well thats cool man, always good to know a PC repair man when ya need one :-p

anyway, trying to get this thread back on the right track.

I believe that some times, the prices of a peace of software should be dropped to a more reasonable price because it would be convinient for us and affordable. Im, not saying FPSC isnt afforable im just saying that it would be good that some peaces of software where with in fair price range, that way we dont have to give away a good portion of our life savings for software to make a game. yea i know if you go in to a college they hook you up with what you need, and thats good. If you have a grant lol but if you got a loan then thats another story, you would have to pay that back and either way it could be crippling when you have something else in mind for that life savings.

and people some times say, "why buy it when i can just download it" well, like i said. 1 you would be stealing and 2 you wouldnt be able to enjoy the full benefits of the program that would allow you to use EVERYTHING including updates, with pirated versions your only able to do so much, but with the real full version you can do the whole shabang.

Money is often a facter though in our econemy thought, right now lower class people struggle to make ends meet, middle to higher class t hey get it easy. Lucky bastards lol, but if a peace of software is so high in price and we work hard to get what we want, some times they run the risk of getting burned out before they reach the price for the program and abandon that hope.. Its sad actually because they want that dream but get fizzled out when money grows slowly making them think "Man this is taking so long!" well keep working on it, it will pay off in the end.

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yep, same goes for u too

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You're not going to start with me? What are you going to say? You'd say absolutely nothing because you have nothing against me. Yes, I was a noob once. Yes, I sucked at everything. No, I didn't like rough criticism. But yes, I got over it. You're going to try and argue with me when you're actually admitting to piracy. Grow up and watch your posts.

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Watch your post. nothing more.

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Same thing could be said about you jenkins. Your telling him to "Grow up" yet acting like a troll is a sign of being a grown up? highly unlikely, so your just as, as fault as he is, maybe not for piracy. But for being immature as well, only little kids act immature. And honestly jenkins, im sure you have had your share of piracy at one time too, maybe not software, videos, but maybe music or picture... (I dont know about pictures though pictures can be taken from anyware lol) but im sure when you hear a song andd you want it, you take it. thats piracy in it self, so two wrongs dont make a right...

4125, i dont know what his deal is. But we all make mistakes, some bad and som far worse. And others not so bad but still bad, in honesty i think hes getting ticked. So yea, i think this thread can be locked and this matter can be looked on no further.

because this thread didnt go how i had planed for it, i just wanted a nice logical conversation being legit with software and having pirated software could have its effects on the two parties.. one being that its frowned on, and the other being that they dont care as long as they get there grubby hands on what ever peace of software out there.

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WOW just gonna say surprised this isn't locked.
This probably shouldn't even be in the chat board, maybe geek culture. This isn't really related to FPSC anymore. Seems like this thread is a flame war, just pointing that out.

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This probably shouldn't even be in the chat board, maybe geek culture. This isn't really related to FPSC anymore. Seems like this thread is a flame war, just pointing that out."

It's not even a good flame war lol.

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it quickly turned in to it thanks to jenkins and i... yea im at fault but i was defending my self and telling him that im no pirate.. but it all went down hill from there, sadly. And i didnt want this to happen, i guess people have to point the finger at some one when this matter arises.

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Might want to think on that for awhile

Quote: "right now lower class people struggle to make ends meet, middle to higher class t hey get it easy. Lucky bastards lol"


My quality of life is what one would call "middle class", but that doesn't make anything easy. Especially with the way U.S. economy is going, I can't spurge on things like I used to be able to. I have to budget simple things like food.

As for the whole point of this thread - you're basically saying that pirating is bad, and that developers should lower their prices? Does it not occur to you that the point of game development - and the development of tools FOR game development - is to make money, not make products freely for masses to enjoy? There are a few exceptions of course, mainly in open source programs, but developers have to make a living. Considering game development products have a much smaller audience than games themselves, lowering prices could easily put the developers of the development products out of buisness.

I'm currently working on a 2D game called March to War. I plan on releasing this freely. However my plans are different for my game engine made in Dark Basic Pro. If I release it as an engine, I'm hesitant to release it for free. Even most of the FPSC modifications require commercial licenses that you must pay for if you wish to sell your game.

When it all comes down to it, you say that you'd gladly make a complete, fully functioning game engine, then release it for free to work on yet another one? How do you plan to purchase food, or afford your rent (or various other things, like utilities)? Developers make money so that they can afford things like this, and make profit as well.

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I'm not even irritated with you lol. You're fine, you didn't really do anything wrong.

And thank you Airslide for the summing of the original point to this thread lol.

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