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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 15:52 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 16:03
I was just looking at some of those "shock" flash pranks, the ones where a face suddenly appears, with a loud sound and I came across this one on youtube. What do you think of this funny or just plain nasty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmQngh2KCaY&mode=related&search=

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 15:56
If I was that kid I would have beaten the hell out of the person who pranked me.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 16:12
I used to be so scared of them, but the more times you get sent them I guess you can predict what's going to happen. I think someone would have to jump out of the screen and try to strangle me to have the same effect now

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 16:13 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 16:16
99% of the people who left comments appear mentally retarded.

When you see all these hateful comments calling him fat and such you realise just how messed up people are.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 16:21
Very true, When I first saw this video I thought it was funny up to the point when he started crying, then I began to feel sorry for the poor boy. I don't know who was filming, but judging by the comments it seemed to of been his dad. He should be ashamed of himself.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 17:08
That was just cruel
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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 17:34
Quote: "When you see all these hateful comments calling him fat and such you realise just how messed up people are."


Indeed. They are retarded, even the person who made the video is a retard. That's a prank you pull on a teenager, I've been fooled by the Cradle of Filth played backwards one, it makes you jump back, and I saw someone in the sixth form fall victim to the same one as that kid, its funny when a teenagers does it, because they're old enough not to be frightened, just shocked.

When you do it to a kid, well that's just shallow.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 19:28
Quote: "I don't know who was filming, but judging by the comments it seemed to of been his dad"

Kind of shows what kind of families these poor kids have


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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 20:25
Quote: "Quote: "I don't know who was filming, but judging by the comments it seemed to of been his dad"
Kind of shows what kind of families these poor kids have"


Ohhh come on its just his dad having a laugh its the kinda thing my dad would have done when I was that age if that sort of internet was around.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 20:36
i think they're sick, there could be young kids or ppl with vulnerable heart conditions etc coming across these shock sites. lucky for me i've come across so many, i've learnt when to predict them from the style of game, and it doesnt make me jump like it did.

They're usually games which make you have to concentrate on the screen a lot, for example, having to move the cursor through a maze without touching the edges. they may further increase this concentration by sometimes having a picture of a naked women getting revealed more as the game progresses.

and then sometimes they'll make the sound really quiet so you turn your speakers up, and then when the scream comes its mega loud.

look out for these signs people ^_^ stick to gaming websites you can trust.
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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 21:01
You know what Big Man? I agree with you. Harmless fun really, it's the kind of thing that my Dad would have done to me too. Call me shallow, sick, whatever but I found that video funny; it was a lighthearted prank in the end.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 21:22
Quote: "Harmless fun really"

You call that harmless?

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 21:31
I'm on Ben's side here, it isn't harmless, there's a difference between playing a joke on a kid and playing a cruel joke on a kid, it's quite sick that you would try to scare the crap out of your kid, such things can actually have a psychological impact for one thing, it can create phobias.

My Dad used to play pranks on me as a kid, like when he had a replacement car while his was being fixed, he picked me up from school and pretended he was stealing someone else's car, because I didn't know, I was convinced, then he let it stop before taking it too far, so that it would be funny. That's a light hearted prank, he didn't make me up set, angry or scared, just gullible.

That video, I can tell the kid didn't like it, he was scared and then crying, not harmless. Not even my brother or sister would have pulled a prank like that one.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 21:34 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 21:34
Quote: "stick to gaming websites you can trust."


Generally, I only play on sites such as Miniclip which explains why I've never come across these shock pranks.

Quote: "Quote: "Harmless fun really"
You call that harmless?"


Harmless for a teengager or adult who will see the funny side of it, for a little kid the prank may cause him to have a phobia and would be pretty unpleasant.
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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 23:42
If i was that kid i would kill the prankster with my bare hands!
Or...Maybe not. That was kruel i played one of them before but it was one of those find all the unusual things in the room.

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Posted: 15th Feb 2007 23:52 Edited at: 15th Feb 2007 23:53
Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Harmless fun really"
You call that harmless?""


Yes, I do call it harmless. C'mon, I've seen far worse during my childhood.. and i'm not mentally scarred..... much. And anyhow, no one knows a child like their parent - I'm sure the father wouldn't have exposed their kid to that if they had any worries.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 00:11
Quote: "I'm sure the father wouldn't have exposed their kid to that if they had any worries."


Ummm... no...

Still I have to agree with you here. It wasn't the nicest thing to do, and the kid was probably pretty upset for a couple minutes, but really, it doesn't matter. My dad has shown me numerous things like that before and it makes you jump, it makes you scream, in some cases it makes you cry, but it doesn't cause permanent or even temporary mental scarring. Yeah the kid may ask his dad to leave the door cracked for a couple nights, but once the shock of it is over, it's really just something to look back on and laugh at.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 02:33
most phobias come from this young age. for example, an experiment showed that by presenting a baby with a bunny at the same time as the loud clashing of a hammer on steel would make the child scared of bunny rabbits for many years to come, which to us wouldnt seem to make sense.

that kids probably never going to want to touch a computer again in a hurry.
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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 02:40
That sounds demented, the kid was definitely not an infant, and there's no way to prove that experiment anyway. He'll get over it, he'll just be a bit more careful when his dad offers to show him something on the computer.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 02:58
So worst case is he'll be afraid of zombie women. Thats okay because thats the kind you try to stay away from anyway.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 03:05
i found it funny...

my dad used to tell racial/sexist/violent jokes which often contained strong language and sexual themes. he would tell me to watch violent cowboy movies where people got meat shot off their bones. i was raised on very controversial elements, so it might just be me being weird.

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Quote: "my dad used to tell racial/sexist/violent jokes which often contained strong language and sexual themes. he would tell me to watch violent cowboy movies where people got meat shot off their bones. i was raised on very controversial elements, so it might just be me being weird."


That may explain why you are the way you are

JK, I really have not clue what your personality is. However I will I say I don't totally agree with your dad's style of child rearing...

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 12:49
The kid may not have these abnormalities when he grows up, but then he might, his Dad could play this sort of things on his kid all of the time, if that's so, then he's going to make his kid a bit of a scaredy cat. But it's still a cruel joke on a kid, all he did was make his kid cry, scared and upset for his own laughter, which is kind of sad really. But if he wanted to have a laugh, he should have brought his kid in with the laughter, so the kid doesn't have to suffer for his Dad's idiotic behaviour. Parents who make their kids scared or cry for kicks, are bad parents.

Those kid of tricks are good if you're a teenager, and the kid was not a teenager, kid's are most vulnerable than teens. And it was cruel for his father to play that trick and what's worse, the people who left comments are retards for making their comments about the kid.

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bah, harmless fun... depending on the kid anyway. It'd be up to the father to decide if the kid can take that kind of thing or not, but I think at that age there shouldn't be any risk of phobias / mental scarring. It's just a scare, he'll get over it, then try to pull the prank on his little brother.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 16:51
That isn't nice.

If his dad continuosly sets those pranks, that boy's mind will be wrecked.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 17:20
Quote: "Ohhh come on its just his dad having a laugh"

the difference is, when he starts crying and comes up to his 'dad' and looks to him for support, that guy really doesn't give a ****. He just carries on filming.

It's funny up until the point where he starts crying


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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 20:47 Edited at: 16th Feb 2007 20:49
I have to agree with Wilderbeast on that point.
However, I think those jokes are funny as long as you pick the right peopel to play them on. A kid that age may be fine, it just depends on what type of "scare" stuff your exposed to. I have a friend that would die if you showed him that becasue he hates scary things, he would probably never talk to me again, but at the same time, my cusins who are the same age would love it! It all depends on how you grow up.

This was the first type of scare movie I was ever pranked with, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPj352DdRCU

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 20:50
Quote: "and there's no way to prove that experiment anyway"


dude the experiment happened, i read it in a science journal.

its a fact in psycology that phobias come from infancy in a way us oldies cant appreciate.

and i still go by my original comment that these shocksites cant be good for people with ie, vulnerable heart. i know by gran would keel over and die if she came across something like this.
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Lol, thats what I thought about my Aunt, turns out it had the opposite effect

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 21:43
Quote: "its a fact in psycology that phobias come from infancy in a way us oldies cant appreciate."


Indeed, when you are growing up as a child, your environment and experience is vital to who you are when you grow up, thus a psychologist would blame the parents if the child has suffered any trauma causing their 'abnormality', well if the parents were to blame for the trauma, or didn't stop it from happening. And although the video isn't hugely traumatic, it caused immediate fear and the child's love object (The filmer, not the computer) provided that fear, it probably won't screw up the child, but give him a phobia he could do with out. I mean I have one because my brother and sister used to put spiders down my back and similar insects (the dude who tells me a spider isn't an insect, gets a stab, I know its not, it's just easy to say it is) it made them laugh, I don't think too much by it now that I'm old, but as a kid, I hated it, thus becoming scared of spiders.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 22:46
If you watch it once, it's scary, twice it's suspensful, three times it's predictable, fourth time it's not scary, fifth time it's boring. This is the way it works for me. And I'm not traumatised yet... I don't think. Lol, I do sleep with my light on, but thats because it's easier to wake up in the morning... and my cat likes it on, he's afraid of monsters

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 23:02
Yeah, but you're not a 6/7 year old kid Those things are funny when you're old enough, because they make you jump or fall off of the back of the chair and you laugh and call the prankster a cheeky bas****.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2007 23:07
That experiment isn't viable. You're trying to tell me that there was an experiment that introduced infants to things that could make any normal person scared... then analyzed them years later... to determine that they had developed a phobia related to what they had been exposed too... and that they didn't have any other influences than when they were infants? Sorry, but that is total bull. Unless you can give me a direct link to some website explaining the experiment, then as far as I'm concerned you're making it up.


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Well considering my information was taught, as opposed to read, it would probably take me a while to shovel through books and internet to find the source. I know not all psychology can be correct, but you can't deny the point that they could be right, of course you can't rule out other possibilities either, people could come to their fears for other reasons, but if you have a set of traumatic events or just an event, that correlates with the abnormality, or phobia, then your conclusion would be that, there is no way to be certain, but in knowing that, parents should really avoid causing their kid's fear or trauma.

But if you're insistent on evidence, for what I have said, then, I'll have to do my best and look at my Psychology text book, but none of the experiments in there are to do with this, but rather they have outlines on what makes people 'abnormal'

So here is a quote for you:

"Childhood experience play a crucial part in adult development. Particularly distressing events in childhood may also become part of the unconscious. Although unconscious they may be expressed in later abnormal behaviour."

Of course not everybody trust the psychodynamic psychologists, because some of their ideas are wacky,

Behaviourists say that phobias are caused by "classical conditioning" the means in which you learn through association.

Cognitivists and Biologists don't look at the actual life of it's patients, but rather more focused on where the problem is and the solution, so I can't grab info on that one.

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Talking to El Goorf about this experiment he read about...

Quote: ""Childhood experience play a crucial part in adult development. Particularly distressing events in childhood may also become part of the unconscious. Although unconscious they may be expressed in later abnormal behaviour."
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I'm pretty sure that's a direct quote of Freud, who as many of you know, has been credited with making psychology an accepted science, while most of his actual findings, have been discredited. Freud suggested that later in life if you decided to not eat strawberry icecream it was not because of the events of that day, month, or even year, but could be from years ago. If this were in fact the case than I would deny birthday cake, since when I was three I threw up all over mine after eating a couple bites. Freud suggested that the mind was full of irrational fears that came from childhood, while in fact, most irrational fears form from the present.


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It is Freud, yes, but a lot of what he said had sense in it, once you pass through all of the silly things, his apprentice, Karl Jung, he basically did that and now psychodynamic psychology isn't disregarded, despite some of the silly stuff Freud said about how man are sexually attracted to their mothers. If I had something from Jung or another psychodynamic psychologist, I'd give it. If you don't trust Freud, then I suppose at this point, I have the behaviourists to leave you with. I don't actually have any experiments, because I gave up psychology after the AS qualification. But if I come across anything else, I'll probably see if Karl Jung has anything to say or further psychodynamic psychologists, then I'll post.

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Posted: 17th Feb 2007 01:47 Edited at: 17th Feb 2007 01:48
Quote: "most phobias come from this young age. for example, an experiment showed that by presenting a baby with a bunny at the same time as the loud clashing of a hammer on steel would make the child scared of bunny rabbits for many years to come, which to us wouldn't seem to make sense."


That's irrelevant, to a certain extent. If you check wikipedia, I think the experiment was called "Little Albert" [Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert]. The child was presented with the bunny multiple times, one occasion would not have had much effect... Also the only reason the baby was affected when he grew up is because his mother withdrew him from the experiment before the psychologists had time to 'debrief' him...

Still. I sort of agree the video was mean but not because the parent showed the child the video, that was perfectly o-k with me, but he carried on filming as the kid was like crying coming to him for help. That was sort of mean...

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I agree much more with the Jungian perspective. It is true that HIGHLY traumatic experiences can affect your adult hood, but something like a zombie face that appears on the screen won't cause scarring. It was mean of the dad to not start comforting his son, but it's hardly a problem for him. Anyway, back to Jung. He actually moved very far away from the Freudian perspective (Freud was thrilled that his student came up with his own ideas [/sarcasm]) and instead blamed all irrational fears on the so called "Collective Unconscious" which was a repository for all of the archetypes in stories. He said that there are only 36 archetypes that can create truly powerful stories and that the details are only changed by time and setting. The same goes for irrational fears. Many fears that seem different are actually the same and are brought on by very similar circumstances. For example claustrophobia is a fairly common ailment, but even people who've never experienced any form of claustrophobia can understand how that fear is formed. According to Jung, at some level, all humans are connected.


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Well, trust me, that kid will think it's funny when they get $100,000 from America's Funniest Home Videos

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Well I don't know 100% if the video will affect the child in later life, but from my psychological knowledge, it suggests so, but either way, that doesn't stop the video from being pretty mean, what kind of person would scare the crap out of a little kid and make them cry for kicks?

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I don't think he'll be affected. It's one small scare. However, it is still mean, but I think it's unfair to say that that was shown to the kid to make him cry. I would hope that the dad or whoever, didn't intend for that to happen. When it first happened I thought it was pretty funny up until the kid started crying, then it got mean. Still crying is the way for little kids to convey a sense of confusion to older people since they still retain that from when they are infants. The crying isn't suggesting that he will be mentally scarred, it just shows that he was confused, scared, and finally didn't know what to do so he just cried.


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Quote: "what kind of person would scare the crap out of a little kid and make them cry for kicks?"


Not to mention, then put it on you tube! But IDK, the kid may already over it, and allowed the dad to put it online, or it could have been his sibling, or himself for that matter.

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That's how psychological traumas begin.

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